Lipscomb dismisses top 3 point shooter in D-I

[Scotty's Flat Top]

Yeah, me too. The running high school joke was if you wanted a wild date, take out the C of C girl

This is true, trust me I know from experience

 

[etmVol]

This will sound harsh, but only meant to make a point.
By the rationale above, one may have a great relationship with God, but God may not want him in Heaven because he hasn't been baptized.However, a rabbi/priest/preacher, (that could be a child molester at the time/alcoholic/pain pill abuser,etc) dunking someone in the water is the deciding factor? By that rationale, a man can have a relationship with God for an hour, get baptized, die and go to Heaven, but a man with a 50 yr relationship with God wouldn't get in because he wasn't baptized. That just doesn't make sense for the God I put my faith in.

God wants us all in heaven.

The immersion in water is what the New Testament tells us to do, and if you believe that the New Testament is an inspired work, then that means it is God Himself commanding us to be baptized.

The New Testament clearly states, in multiple places, the plan for salvation. A man who follows Christ and has "a 50 yr relationship with God" but is not baptized may or may not be admitted to heaven. I do not know, as that decision is not mine to make. I would, however, feel confident that if that man with "a 50 year relationship with God" has followed the plan of salvation - heard the gospel (Romans 10:14), believes (has faith) (Heb 11:6), repents of past sins (Acts 17:30), confesses Christ as Lord (Acts 8:36-37), is baptized for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38), and lives a faithful, Christian life - that he will have an eternal home in heaven.

 

[GreveHaller]

This will sound harsh, but only meant to make a point.
By the rationale above, one may have a great relationship with God, but God may not want him in Heaven because he hasn't been baptized.However, a rabbi/priest/preacher, (that could be a child molester at the time/alcoholic/pain pill abuser,etc) dunking someone in the water is the deciding factor? By that rationale, a man can have a relationship with God for an hour, get baptized, die and go to Heaven, but a man with a 50 yr relationship with God wouldn't get in because he wasn't baptized. That just doesn't make sense for the God I put my faith in.

you can even go further than that example. So would the man who lived in a Zulu-ish tribe in the middle of the Brazilian bush that never saw anyone execpt for his tribe or neighboring tribes and never had the Word even uttered to him have God tell him on that day "dude, sorry but you're out because you never worshiped me"? Logically it doesnt make sense but as I've always said its not what we believe works, its what He wants. We all might be wrong and that tribesman might get in. We dont know and can only do what we feel is right

 

[Jax_Vol]

This is true, trust me I know from experience

Somehow, that does not surprise me in the least...lol


Is the C of C crowd in this conversation ok with Mister Tebow? I know his father was involved with the Crusade for Christ campus church and I think perhaps a Baptist church? I don't know if Timmy has ever stated a denomination?

 

[TBrown]

I attended the C of C for the first 22 years of my life. 11 of the 18 members of my immediate family are C of C. What am I sterotyping?

The 60s are over.

 

[GreveHaller]

Somehow, that does not surprise me in the least...lol


Is the C of C crowd in this conversation ok with Mister Tebow? I know his father was involved with the Crusade for Christ campus church and I think perhaps a Baptist church? I don't know if Timmy has ever stated a denomination?

I cant stand him

well, that's because he was a ga-terd

Seriously, I admire him for not diminshing his beliefs in an industry that is money driven and often less than Christian. He doesnt shove his faith down anyone's throat ie Tebowing and lives it Christ like. Well, as far as we know he lives it Christ like.

 

[etmVol]

Somehow, that does not surprise me in the least...lol


Is the C of C crowd in this conversation ok with Mister Tebow? I know his father was involved with the Crusade for Christ campus church and I think perhaps a Baptist church? I don't know if Timmy has ever stated a denomination?

While I think that Tebow has some beliefs contradictory to those of the CoC and its members, I commend him for using his public platform for praising Christ and spreading the Word to those who may not know it otherwise.

 

[etmVol]

you can even go further than that example. So would the man who lived in a Zulu-ish tribe in the middle of the Brazilian bush that never saw anyone execpt for his tribe or neighboring tribes and never had the Word even uttered to him have God tell him on that day "dude, sorry but you're out because you never worshiped me"? Logically it doesnt make sense but as I've always said its not what we believe works, its what He wants. We all might be wrong and that tribesman might get in. We dont know and can only do what we feel is right

All we can do is spread the Word and hope to reach everyone.

We are not supposed to understand everything, that's why it's a faith-based religion. Do I believe that someone in a remote location is damned to an eternity in Hell because nobody was able to reach him with the Word? No. However, that does not mean that the remote tribesman is guaranteed heaven either. God will judge him like the rest of us - He will probably just use a different set of criteria.

 

[Spartacavolus]

you can even go further than that example. So would the man who lived in a Zulu-ish tribe in the middle of the Brazilian bush that never saw anyone execpt for his tribe or neighboring tribes and never had the Word even uttered to him have God tell him on that day "dude, sorry but you're out because you never worshiped me"? Logically it doesnt make sense but as I've always said its not what we believe works, its what He wants. We all might be wrong and that tribesman might get in. We dont know and can only do what we feel is right

Yeah, who knows. What about those whose minds are incapable of understanding? due to an accident, birth defect or whatever. I've always wondered.
Good conversation, though, with people capable of rationally reading and discussing.

 

[Jax_Vol]

The 60s are over.

So you are telling me that the C of C has changed?

 

[etmVol]

Yeah, who knows. What about those whose minds are incapable of understanding? due to an accident, birth defect or whatever. I've always wondered.
Good conversation, though, with people capable of rationally reading and discussing.

I would imagine that God would treat those with the understanding and mental capabilities of a child as He does a child (one who has not reached the 'age' of accountability).

Ditto on the second bolded portion - I was worried that this may get out of hand (even though it got waaaaaaay off the topic of the OP in a hurry, lol) at some point, but am glad it didn't.

 

[GreveHaller]

So you are telling me that the C of C has changed?

wouldnt limit to coc. All religons have changed. Look at the denominations that now included women in ministeral positions as well as many that accept gays and their lifestyle. It wasnt that long ago that both those were taboo. We'll all change then split and retract then change again. Its just human nature

 

[GreveHaller]

I would imagine that God would treat those with the understanding and mental capabilities of a child as He does a child (one who has not reached the 'age' of accountability).

Ditto on the second bolded portion - I was worried that this may get out of hand (even though it got waaaaaaay off the topic of the OP in a hurry, lol) at some point, but am glad it didn't.

3rd that. Great discussion with practicle questions and rebuttals. At least there's no "you're a dumb a__" type rebuttals.
I'll always welcome other views. It will either strengthen my own beliefs or present an option I havent considered. Win win

 

[MSCE09]

He probably went to your same church....lol...


My church went the same direction sounds like as yours. We had 150ish members in the 70's. They were unable to hang on to any of the youth due to the extreme conservative views. And they basically ended up going out of business. Sold the church building and merged with another small rural C of C

Do you know how much money they lost on the sale compared to the original deal they had with Walgreens that the city of Nashville shot down when they declared the building historic?

 

[RollinVol]

Yes, some do still believe that the CoC are the only one going to heaven. What some people do not know is that there is some major infighting going on right now in the CoC. The use of instruments is catching on. I would put the stat (my opinion through discussions) is about 60/40. 60% are still no use of instruments and the 40 being instruments and will be that way in the next 4-7 years. I would recommend some books for everyone to read. The first is "Renewing God's People" by Holloway and Foster. The next is "Simply Christian" by Sam Stone. To learn about the Restoration Movement which both came out of read "Union in Truth" by James North. You would have to go back about 5 pages or so to see a video I posted earlier about the splits in the Restoration Movement. The CoC is moving in a different direction due to guys like Max Lucado, Jeff Walling, and Rick Atchley. If you talk to some CoC ministers they have all but thrown them away. They will declare them Baptist than CoC. If you get out of cities and visit in rural Tennessee, especially in the Upper Cumberland they hold to no instruments and "they are the only ones going to heaven approach".

 

[GreveHaller]

unless etm or SD have a different opinion, I'd say 60/40 is a bit high. At least that's my feeling here in mid Tn. There are a few I know of using instruments but a vast majority arent. Now I will say that as time goes on I wouldnt be surprised to see that ratio at its peak of popularity.

 

[etmVol]

unless etm or SD have a different opinion, I'd say 60/40 is a bit high. At least that's my feeling here in mid Tn. There are a few I know of using instruments but a vast majority arent. Now I will say that as time goes on I wouldnt be surprised to see that ratio at its peak of popularity.

I also thought 60/40 seemed high. Most congregations that fit that bill (that I know of) don't even claim the coC moniker.

 

[Spartacavolus]

Exactly the reason why God could care less either way. Imo.

Why would something divisive matter? Maybe God has a dark sense of humor and likes to see a good argument. He probably looks at it as I look at my kids and shake my head as they fight and argue over nothing.

 

[RollinVol]

The 60 seemed high or the 40 seemed high. What would you put it at?

 

[GreveHaller]

/QUOTE=missourivol;6390381]The 60 seemed high or the 40 seemed high. What would you put it at?[/QUOTE]

90/10. High of 95/5, low of 85/15. Again that is as of today.

Put it like this, In a 5 mile stretch of of south Nashville I know of 3 COCs all with about 1,000 members. One is probably considered a classical COC (conservative-ish), one is a bit more laid back and has christian music videos running on Sunday morning as the kids go to Sunday school (but still not used in service), and one openly publicizes a weekly Saturday night swing dances. All under the COC banner, all with different approaches.
Just part of how all religions morph over time

 

[etmVol]

The 60 seemed high or the 40 seemed high. What would you put it at?

The 40 seems high. While I'm sure there are more out there, I only know of one coC that uses instrumental music.
Faulkner requires its faculty to be a member of the coC, so there was one coC that was extremely liberal (for coC standards anyway, haha), allowing those who would otherwise prefer some other Christian denomination to feel more comfortable and familiar while technically being a member of the coC.

 

[Jax_Vol]

wouldnt limit to coc. All religons have changed. Look at the denominations that now included women in ministeral positions as well as many that accept gays and their lifestyle. It wasnt that long ago that both those were taboo. We'll all change then split and retract then change again. Its just human nature

Can a woman be a minister in the C of C? I think I know the answer on the gays but since things are changing, I guess you can tell me the point of view there as well.

Heck, I am really glad that things are changing. We need to get the young folks into church. If a band will help to draw them in, then I am personally all for it.

 

[etmVol]

Can a woman be a minister in the C of C? I think I know the answer on the gays but since things are changing, I guess you can tell me the point of view there as well.

Heck, I am really glad that things are changing. We need to get the young folks into church. If a band will help to draw them in, then I am personally all for it.

No, women cannot be ministers in the coC; bolded section explains why.

1 Timothy 2:9-15

8 Therefore I want the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and dissension.
9 Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, [g]modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, 10 but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. 11 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first [h]created, and then Eve. 14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. 15 But women will be [j]preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with [k]self-restraint.

 

[Spartacavolus]

See, in my thought process, I try toook at odd angles. Sometimes for fun. I can picture some man mad at his wife adding that in on his own as he was editing or copying and we wouldn't know.

 

[etmVol]

See, in my thought process, I try toook at odd angles. Sometimes for fun. I can picture some man mad at his wife adding that in on his own as he was editing or copying and we wouldn't know.

That could be a hilarious scenario in an SNL-style skit. Maybe a whole series on controversial portions of the Bible, hahaha.