Look... we needed Gruden

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Coastypop said:
It was not just people on this board saying Gruden was assembling a staff... even TOS and Hubbs was saying that he was. Hubbs said he did not know for who, but it had a College look
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They were just repeating rumors. Was not gonna happen.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
See above. Suggesting the Grude would not be an elite recruiter at Tennessee is insulting to our institution, IMHO.
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You have no idea what Hart did or did not do with regards to Gruden. Someone talked money with him... that much is obvious. Maybe since it was NOT Hart's money... it was not yet time for Hart to do the talking. ORRR, maybe Hart figured out early on that Gruden wasn't serious about the job and moved on.


And no, suggesting Gruden might not have been an elite recruiter has NOTHING to do with UT and everything to do with the time, effort, and disposition it takes to be an elite recruiter.

I have no doubt that his name and MNF would have gotten him some good recruits in this class. But that fades quickly. Soon it boils down to spending long days on the road treating some arrogant 17 year old that you are the only guy who truly knows how great he is.

So my questions are:

Would Gruden want to put that kind of effort into recruiting for UT?

Would he want to make the time and family sacrifices required to be an elite recruiter?

Could he stomach bowing to the egos of recruits to the degree needed to beat Meyer, Muschamp, Richt, Saban, Miles, et al for them?


If the answer to any of those questions is "no" then he would not have been an elite recruiter at UT. I suspect that the answer to the first two are the reason he didn't take the job. He probably thinks as you do that the elite recruits would melt in his presence rather than expecting him to stroke their egos... that would be a terribly wrong assumption.
 
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I realize now that it was ridiculous that the assumption on the board was that gruden was just going to waltz onto campus and pull down a top 5 class just for being gruden and I say that as someone that was 100% pro gruden during the height of the grumorz
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Why do you think Gruden was assembling a staff?
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Probably because he toyed with the idea a little before ultimatlely deciding against it.

There was some level of interest or at least appearance of interest on his part. But ultimately Gruden said no to UT and probably a couple of NFL jobs.
 
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So we wanted a coach who has very little to no college experience.
Hasn't coached in 4 or 5 years...has really only one good NFL year...so basically we would be using his name to lure players here and it could be a flip of a coin if he actually does well or not....jmo
 
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sjt18 said:
You have no idea what Hart did or did not do with regards to Gruden. Someone talked money with him... that much is obvious. Maybe since it was NOT Hart's money... it was not yet time for Hart to do the talking. ORRR, maybe Hart figured out early on that Gruden wasn't serious about the job and moved on.


And no, suggesting Gruden might not have been an elite recruiter has NOTHING to do with UT and everything to do with the time, effort, and disposition it takes to be an elite recruiter.

I have no doubt that his name and MNF would have gotten him some good recruits in this class. But that fades quickly. Soon it boils down to spending long days on the road treating some arrogant 17 year old that you are the only guy who truly knows how great he is.

So my questions are:

Would Gruden want to put that kind of effort into recruiting for UT?

Would he want to make the time and family sacrifices required to be an elite recruiter?

Could he stomach bowing to the egos of recruits to the degree needed to beat Meyer, Muschamp, Richt, Saban, Miles, et al for them?


If the answer to any of those questions is "no" then he would not have been an elite recruiter at UT. I suspect that the answer to the first two are the reason he didn't take the job. He probably thinks as you do that the elite recruits would melt in his presence rather than expecting him to stroke their egos... that would be a terribly wrong assumption.
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Everyone appears to make the assumption that Gruden couldn't have brought in a top notch staff to do most of the heavy lifting for recruiting.

Where would Fulmer have been without Garner in the 90's?

Where would Kiffin be without Orgeron?

Where would Jones have been without Graham this year?

The head coach isn't the only member of the staff who recruits.

That's the thing that worries me about Jones. He doesn't appear to have that closer on staff or they certainly didn't emerge with the defensive recruits they were after down the stretch.
 
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we really don't need a rock star like gruden. Apparently your Avatar represents rock style hires or idols are all you see.:lolabove:
 
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I doubt he had the most talent in the big east(there is not much). He was coach of the year. A good coach is hard to find
 
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OP's arm:

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Guys ease up on op. he's obviously mentally retarted. It's no laughing matter. I applaud you young man...for learning how to turn on your moms computer and access the world wide web. Keep dreaming young grasshopper
 
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O&W said:
Pretty sure that one recuruting class that he got to recruit for 30 days shouldn't be an assesment on his recruiting or his ability to coach. It's known that Dools did not establish relationships with coaches and didn't recruit some players (Vonn Bell) I think he deserves wayyy more of a chance than you are giving him. The fact that we flipped a couple of guys and finished seond to some big names says something. I'm not one for moral victories but alot of those guys weren't even seriously considering TN.
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Just wanted to point out that Dooley's first class was a top-10 class and he had less time to recruit than CBJ.
 
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tnlizard said:
we really don't need a rock star like gruden. Apparently your Avatar represents rock style hires or idols are all you see.:lolabove:
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NEWS FLASH. Gruden is not the coach at Rocky Top! Just thought I would let everyone know so we can move on to things a little more productive!
 
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WOW! Living in fantasy land much here! Gruden was never coming here! NEVER! I don't care what any "insider" was saying, he was never coming! Get Over It! If Gruden comes back to coaching it is not going to be here at UT. It will be in the NFL! Dooley was useless as a coach and every press conference he'd say the same thing. "It was a tough loss and we just couldn't get it turned around" or some thing like that. Judging someone on 30 days of recruiting when the previous guy burnt a lot if not every recruit and head coach in the state is not helpful to this university. I hate that Tennessee is losing, but give Butch Jones a chance to coach at least 1 game before jumping off the cliff.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Volnation, I really like Butch Jones. Dooley turned me off almost as soon as he arrived on campus. While the majority of you were praising "Showergate," and "Looking for Rommel" and "pick up the phone and call me" I was telling you that Dooley was auditioning for a TV gig as our head coach. And I didn't like it. And that's exactly what he did.

Butch was always behind the 8-ball. He actually walked into a worse situation than Dooley (which is saying something in a big way). He almost created his next problem. He did what he had to do - he went after elite talent. Problem is, he didn't land the elite talent. I've said for awhile this 2013 class would define his tenure. He swung for the fences (which makes me like him), but he didn't connect. Strike.

Daj is absolutely right - it starts with talent. That's why we needed Gruden so bad, and the CryptKeeper and Booger dropped the ball. I said at the time Hart still had the power to screw the pooch. He did. Ego. BMOC. Hart couldn't handle Gruden being Big Man on Campus. And it will haunt us for a decade.

CBJ still has a chance. He has to lean on our offensive line. He has to restore confidence to the defense. He has to go +2 in the talent column, and that is his record. I fear though he was +2 in the Big East, but the SEC is the best of best. Second tier these days is Steve Spurrier. Let that sink in. Even Muschamp is proving he is worthy of the league. Franklin has the nation talking about Vandy --- VANDY!

Folks, we needed Gruden. It wasn't a pipe dream, but we had to roll out the red carpet, absolutely. The CryptKeeper failed. We've got to hope Coach Butch Jones is +2. I want him to be +2. He's still got a chance, but he's got to take some big scalps 2013.
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I stopped right there. You are have not a clue what you are talking about.
 
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Two things. First, I would like to know what evidence anyone has that Gruden was willing to come here if the deal was right. Sure it was on message boards, any solid evidence?

Second, what evidence is there that Gruden would be a top notch recruiter? I fully admit that Gruden had potential to be a great recruiter with the television exposure and the super bowl ring, but potential does not equal getting it done. It has been decades since he coached in college. Recruiting is a mindset and expecting a coach that has spent the majority of his career in the pros probably does not have that mindset.

If anyone can answer these questions, and explain the what the Grudenites are thinking, I would be grateful.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
maybe the grudenites will have a reunion here. But not many will show. They vanished like a plague of bs hit them. Some into oblivion. Some seeking refuge with others exiled by stupidity to another place that we don't speak of.
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Come visit the legion of miserables, hero.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Guys ease up on op. he's obviously mentally retarted. It's no laughing matter. I applaud you young man...for learning how to turn on your moms computer and access the world wide web. Keep dreaming young grasshopper
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When busting on another's accused lack of mental ability, it's always a good idea to know how to spell "retarDed" correctly. Otherwise, it looks like a pot/kettle type deal.

Keep studying grasshopper.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Everyone appears to make the assumption that Gruden couldn't have brought in a top notch staff to do most of the heavy lifting for recruiting.
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Moot point since it appears that Gruden had no desire to coach anywhere including UT.

Yes. He could have hired guys with recruiting reputations. Like his name... that gets him started. It doesn't sustain the effort. And THAT... almost always comes down to the drive of the HC.

Where would Fulmer have been without Garner in the 90's?
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It would be a mistake to underestimate Fulmer's talent as a recruiting HC during his prime.

Where would Kiffin be without Orgeron?
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That... is a stretch.

The head coach isn't the only member of the staff who recruits.
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You hope not... but the HC sure better know how to recruit. There's no evidence that Gruden does.

That's the thing that worries me about Jones. He doesn't appear to have that closer on staff or they certainly didn't emerge with the defensive recruits they were after down the stretch.
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Look. I have been saying in different ways here that there are no mulligans in CFB recruiting. He needed players he didn't get in this class to improve his chances of survival. But it is worse than ridiculous to judge his ability to close based on this one class.

I don't like it or even want to believe it but Bell said that he chose OSU because they were closer to playing for championships. Jones didn't turn other players. There weren't many uncommitted guys he wanted that he actually "lost". Greene is notable but so is North. I really like Dobbs and believe him to be underrated.

All that said, he needs to recruit hard AND win some games this fall to prove he is the guy to bring UT back. Many argue with it and one guy even said it was idiotic but Jones needs to win 8 possibly including a bowl. Eight wins says "I was able to coach against the best and beat ------ with a weaker roster". Anything less leaves big question marks.

I know it isn't necessarily "reasonable" to expect him to win 8... I'm saying he NEEDS it to get going without regard to the difficulty.
 
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FWIW, your HC is your closer or else you don't have one. Assistants are almost always transient. If they are the "closer" then someone will offer them a promotion. Kids commit to the HC, not the assistants. They know those guys move.
 
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