Looks like Harbaugh is headed back to the NFL

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Nerwen Aldarion said:
And suddenly lots of coaches are looking up the Michigan roster
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You would think, but there really isn’t an obvious candidate for them. I think Kalen DeBoer is a really good coach and someone that they would target, but I don’t know if he’d leave Seattle after only one season. Especially since Washington returns basically every key player from this years team and will likely be ranked in the top 10-12 to start next season.
 
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Boston Vol said:
You would think, but there really isn’t an obvious candidate for them. I think Kalen DeBoer is a really good coach and someone that they would target, but I don’t know if he’d leave Seattle after only one season. Especially since Washington returns basically every key player from this years team and will likely be ranked in the top 10-12 to start next season.
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I don’t think he was talking he about coaches looking into being the next HC. He was saying coaches are going to look for players to poach from their team once Harbaugh leaves.
 
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This was fake news, but the Panther and Broncos are interested. I am curious if he is interested in going back to the NFL again. Seems odd to leave Michigan now. They have beaten OSU 2 years in a row. Made the CFP both years bigger pay day at Michigan than an NFL job. Teams that want him are in a rebuild without a good QB.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
This was fake news, but the Panther and Broncos are interested. I am curious if he is interested in going back to the NFL again. Seems odd to leave Michigan now. They have beaten OSU 2 years in a row. Made the CFP both years bigger pay day at Michigan than an NFL job. Teams that want him are in a rebuild without a good QB.
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I would pick NFL over college simply because I hate sales so much, and that's basically what recruiting is, so half the job.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I would pick NFL over college simply because I hate sales so much, and that's basically what recruiting is, so half the job.
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Yep. At least in terms of hours that you put in, the college job is harder. The highest paid college coach is probably making quite a bit fewer dollars per hour than the highest paid NFL coach. Not to mention that if you're the HC at a place like Michigan, you also are a quasi-politician. You aren't just a football coach there.

Also, if you're an NFL coach, can't you also take some actual time off between the end of the draft and the start of OTAs? If you're a college coach, it's always 24/7 recruiting. Obviously you are occupied from the start of offseason camp through whenever your season ends, and I imagine they go full bore into the draft after that, but there actually is a period of downtime between that and the start of OTAs and camp.
 
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VolFanNC09 said:
This was fake news, but the Panther and Broncos are interested. I am curious if he is interested in going back to the NFL again. Seems odd to leave Michigan now. They have beaten OSU 2 years in a row. Made the CFP both years bigger pay day at Michigan than an NFL job. Teams that want him are in a rebuild without a good QB.
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Article I read speculated that it’s “common knowledge Harbaugh agonizes over how close to a SB win he reached and has ACCOMPLISHED ALL THE GOALS HE SOUGHT AT MICHIGAN” winning a NC not one of them? 🤨
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. At least in terms of hours that you put in, the college job is harder. The highest paid college coach is probably making quite a bit fewer dollars per hour than the highest paid NFL coach. Not to mention that if you're the HC at a place like Michigan, you also are a quasi-politician. You aren't just a football coach there.

Also, if you're an NFL coach, can't you also take some actual time off between the end of the draft and the start of OTAs? If you're a college coach, it's always 24/7 recruiting.
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I also think it's easier to deal with the politics of being a coach in the NFL. Just make your owner happy. In college, you gotta keep the boosters happy, fans have more access, and your admins seem more susceptible to the mob. Jason Garrett was in good with Jerry Jones and that was enough to prolong his tenure at least a couple years. He didn't break .500 until his 5th year. He'd be out after year 2 or 3 at a top-tier CFB program with his success.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I also think it's easier to deal with the politics of being a coach in the NFL. Just make your owner happy. In college, you gotta keep the boosters happy, fans have more access, and your admins seem more susceptible to the mob. Jason Garrett was in good with Jerry Jones and that was enough to prolong his tenure at least a couple years. He didn't break .500 until his 5th year. He'd be out after year 2 or 3 at a top-tier CFB program with his success.
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Yep. They are both incredibly stressful jobs, but I'd much rather deal with the NFL stress for the reasons you mentioned. Being a CFB coach would have to feel like you constantly have a bunch of toddlers tugging at your pant leg, wanting you to pick them up and give them attention, and that kind of stuff takes attention away from recruiting and coaching. There is so much off-field crap that a college coach has to deal with.

The NFL seems like more of a "I have to study my ass off and outscheme the other coaches" type of stress.
 
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Can we go steal a couple of their 4 star wr and maybe a DB?
Can they transfer if the coach changes after they sign? Don’t know the rules here
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. They are both incredibly stressful jobs, but I'd much rather deal with the NFL stress for the reasons you mentioned. Being a CFB coach would have to feel like you constantly have a bunch of toddlers tugging at your pant leg, wanting you to pick them up and give them attention, and that kind of stuff takes attention away from recruiting and coaching. There is so much off-field crap that a college coach has to deal with.

The NFL seems like more of a "I have to study my ass off and outscheme the other coaches" type of stress.
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I think there are types who would prefer college just because of the dynamic with players. Urban and Saban didn't seem to know how to navigate that aspect of the NFL job. Easier for them to have an iron fist in college.
 
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SobeVol said:
Can we go steal a couple of their 4 star wr and maybe a DB?
Can they transfer if the coach changes after they sign? Don’t know the rules here
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Many did after Pruitt was canned.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yep. At least in terms of hours that you put in, the college job is harder. The highest paid college coach is probably making quite a bit fewer dollars per hour than the highest paid NFL coach. Not to mention that if you're the HC at a place like Michigan, you also are a quasi-politician. You aren't just a football coach there.

Also, if you're an NFL coach, can't you also take some actual time off between the end of the draft and the start of OTAs? If you're a college coach, it's always 24/7 recruiting. Obviously you are occupied from the start of offseason camp through whenever your season ends, and I imagine they go full bore into the draft after that, but there actually is a period of downtime between that and the start of OTAs and camp.
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I have no idea where you're getting your idea that college coaches put in more hours than NFL coaches, but you are 100% dead wrong. NFL coaches put in far more hours than college coaches. That was one of the big knocks on Spurrier when he went to the Redskins was that he wanted to continue to work the hours that he worked in college football and that won't fly in the NFL.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think there are types who would prefer college just because of the dynamic with players. Urban and Saban didn't seem to know how to navigate that aspect of the NFL job. Easier for them to have an iron fist in college.
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Some guys have a salesman personality so that it is easier for them to win by having a more talented team than everyone else than by outscheming people. If you've got that personality type as a coach, the place for them is definitely college. What's funny is that Saban absolutely does not show that in front of a camera, but with players and their families he obviously must be pretty persuasive and charming. Spurrier is a great salesman (although was never known as a tireless recruiter in terms of effort), and it worked horribly for him too. He also worked for maybe the my dysfunctional franchise in professional sports as well.

Saban is smart and self-aware; it was his ego I'm sure that led him to try out the NFL, but once he got there I think he knew he was out of his element and left. Urban simply got ****-canned before he could leave on his own, lol.
 
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Vol423 said:
I have no idea where you're getting your idea that college coaches put in more hours than NFL coaches, but you are 100% dead wrong. NFL coaches put in far more hours than college coaches. That was one of the big knocks on Spurrier when he went to the Redskins was that he wanted to continue to work the hours that he worked in college football and that won't fly in the NFL.
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You mean during the season, or year-round?

I alluded to Spurrier in my previous post; he's an exception even among college coaches in terms of the hours that he worked. He worked far fewer hours than his peers did at the college level too.
 
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Vol423 said:
I have no idea where you're getting your idea that college coaches put in more hours than NFL coaches, but you are 100% dead wrong. NFL coaches put in far more hours than college coaches. That was one of the big knocks on Spurrier when he went to the Redskins was that he wanted to continue to work the hours that he worked in college football and that won't fly in the NFL.
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NFL coaches do tons of stuff in the off-season. You seriously think it's like a teacher's job and they get a 4-month vacation?
 
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Vol423 said:
NFL coaches do tons of stuff in the off-season. You seriously think it's like a teacher's job and they get a 4-month vacation?
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I never said they get a 4-month vacation. My impression is that during the season, the hours both sets of coaches put in are probably pretty similar. NFL coaches skew those hours towards game prep/scheming, while a college coach's hours would have less game prep but include recruiting, which an NFL coach doesn't have to do at all.

During the offseason for a college coach, it's 24/7 recruiting plus having to do their politician-like BS with boosters, fans, admin people, etc. A spring camp and a fall camp as well. There obviously are offseason things NFL coaches do, particularly from the time their season ends to the draft, but they actually do get downtime from end of the draft to the start of OTAs. And during those OTAs/minicamp, an NFL coach isn't also recruiting. In contrast, is a college coach ever not recruiting in addition to their coaching duties? They lose at least 25% of their roster each season and are constantly working to fill gaps.
 
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Boston Vol said:
You would think, but there really isn’t an obvious candidate for them. I think Kalen DeBoer is a really good coach and someone that they would target, but I don’t know if he’d leave Seattle after only one season. Especially since Washington returns basically every key player from this years team and will likely be ranked in the top 10-12 to start next season.
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Oddly, I've always liked Washington as a non-UT program. The only west coast team I have interest in as a fan.
 
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