Looks like the NCAA is about to go head hunting now...

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Pepe_Silvia said:
Skepticism is a virtue. You have too much faith in the NCAA.
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Skepticism is one thing... Running around screaming that the friggin' sky is falling is another thing entirely and is getting old from the paranoia crowd.

And, no, I don't have any faith in the NCAA whatsoever but do support this punishment. Also, I'm willing to sit back and see what happens rather than speculate all over the place.

If the NCAA subsequently goes full-on moron then I'll gladly agree with you. Until then, I'll take a wait an see attitude.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Skepticism is a virtue. You have too much faith in the NCAA.
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At no point has the NCAA been called over-aggressive in their punishments. In fact, it's been quite the opposite (See USC, OSU, etc..). When you do something as immoral and unethical as PSU did by using their football program to cover it up, you will get hammered. I see nothing wrong with this.
 
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bamawriter said:
Since a finding of LOIC first requires the finding of another violation, what violation did PSU commit?

Seems like I've asked that question 200 times without ever getting an answer.
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Don't hold your breath for that response. Since, PSU didn't violate any NCAA rules, I doubt somebody is going to name one.
 
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GhostVol said:
I don't understand why some folks can't grasp the fact that the PSU fiasco was a (hopefully) unique set of circumstances requiring a unique reaction from the NCAA.

Those folks need to get out of the tin-foil hat wearing, black helicopters overhead, men in black, irrational paranoia that the NCAA is now going to go full rogue and hammer everyone in sight.

Sit back, chill and see what the NCAA does in the future before you start screaming about what they MIGHT do.
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What sort of precedent does anybody have to assume that the NCAA will do the "fair" or "right" thing? They've got a pretty solid track record of punishing the innocent, but that's about all.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Don't hold your breath for that response. Since, PSU didn't violate any NCAA rules, I doubt somebody is going to name one.
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Seriously? Does there NEED to be a "rule" that states raping children and covering it up will not be tolerated??
 
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GhostVol said:
Seriously? Does there NEED to be a "rule" that states raping children will not be tolerated??
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Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped?
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This, but I feel like - no matter how many times it is said - some people will still refuse to accept it.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped?
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You don't see the football program's cover-up of child rape for over a decade as "tolerating" it??
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Paterno is dead, Sandusky is behind bars for life and the rest of the administration is awaiting trial. In what world is that "tolerating" children being raped?
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So any school that has done anything should just fire all involved and all will be good?
 
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GhostVol said:
Really?? You're going to argue that the NCAA needs this to be a "rule"??
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Actually quite the opposite. Rules that are reflective or the penal code are redundant. It should not be a rule, and the NCAA should stick to enforcing its rules.
 
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GhostVol said:
Really?? You're going to argue that the NCAA needs this to be a "rule"??
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No, I think like most sane people, he's arguing that this has no business being an NCAA rule. This is a matter for the police and the courts. The NCAA sanctions failed to have one iota of negative impact of any of the principal participants in this crime. It did however screw over an innumerable amount of innocent people who didn't even know of this until 9 months ago.
 
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tvols75 said:
So any school that has done anything should just fire all involved and all will be good?
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No. In situations where the NCAA is the sole source of punishment, the NCAA should act. Their punishments might not always be felt by the guilty, but the NCAA only has so much power, so that can be forgiven.

In situations where there are far more appropriate sources of punishment (like the courts or the DOE), the NCAA should let those institutions do their jobs.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No, I think like most sane people, he's arguing that this has no business being an NCAA rule. This is a matter for the police and the courts. The NCAA sanctions failed to have one iota of negative impact of any of the principal participants in this crime. It did however screw over an innumerable amount of innocent people who didn't even know of this until 9 months ago.
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Doesn't all consequences punish innocent individuals?
 
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bamawriter said:
No. In situations where the NCAA is the sole source of punishment, the NCAA should act. It's punishments might not always be felt by the guilty, but the NCAA only has so much power, so that can be forgiven.

In situations where there are far more appropriate sources of punishment (like the courts or the DOE), the NCAA should let those institutions do their jobs.
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So when an NFL player constantly breaks the law, the commissioner shouldn't suspend him?
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
This, but I feel like - no matter how many times it is said - some people will still refuse to accept it.
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The legal system has no standing to punish the football program. I've got no problem with what is going to happen through the legal system but the culture of cover-up and putting sports on a pedestal had to be punished as well. The NCAA was the only way that was going to happen.
 
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GhostVol said:
You don't see the football program's cover-up of child rape for over a decade as "tolerating" it??
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The people who either raped children or orchestrated the coverup are all being punished or have died. It was a failing of specific human beings, not of some abstract institution.
 
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tvols75 said:
So when an NFL player constantly breaks the law, the commissioner shouldn't suspend him?
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That is a different story entirely. Suspending the guilty is an appropriate punishment.

In PSU's case, the NCAA did not punish a single guilty party.
 
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tvols75 said:
Their families that had no idea about it, and are now associated with these monsters for the rest of their lives for one.
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That reality has nothing to do with the judicial system or the NCAA. They aren't being punished by anyone or any institution in a position of authority.
 
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tvols75 said:
Doesn't all consequences punish innocent individuals?
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Possibly. However, most consequences aim to punish the guilty, sometimes there could be some collateral damage. The NCAA sanctions on Penn St. punish ONLY the innocent and have no impact on the guilty parties.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No, I think like most sane people, he's arguing that this has no business being an NCAA rule. This is a matter for the police and the courts. The NCAA sanctions failed to have one iota of negative impact of any of the principal participants in this crime. It did however screw over an innumerable amount of innocent people who didn't even know of this until 9 months ago.
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So.... Now you're saying that the NCAA shouldn't punish anyone? There are "innumerable" innocent people that get punished whenever the NCAA hits a program. That argument just won't fly.
 
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bamawriter said:
That is a different story entirely. Suspending the guilty is an appropriate punishment.

In PSU's case, the NCAA did not punish a single guilty party.
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Why is it appropriate? The penal code should take care of those matters as you said? Suspending a football program that was found guilty of harboring a child molester is sufficient. Every person that was not involved was given every avenue by the NCAA to get out of PSU if they wanted.
 
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