Looks like the NCAA is about to go head hunting now...

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#51
tvols75 said:
Their families that had no idea about it, and are now associated with these monsters for the rest of their lives for one.
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I would think it was more Sandusky's crimes that would bring shame to his family, not the resulting consequences of his crimes.
 
#53
#53
GhostVol said:
So.... Now you're saying that the NCAA shouldn't punish anyone? There are "innumerable" innocent people that get punished whenever the NCAA hits a program. That argument just won't fly.
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No, I'm saying they should punish the guilty parties, not the 18-21 year olds left in the wake of violations. Coaches who commit violations should be punished with show-causes (like with Bruce Pearl) rather than just destroying a program while a coach just moves on to his next destination free and clear.
 
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#54
bleedorange0037 said:
The people who either raped children or orchestrated the coverup are all being punished or have died. It was a failing of specific human beings, not of some abstract institution.
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I can practically guarantee that there are still people in that program that knew and did nothing. Do they get a walk?
 
#55
#55
GhostVol said:
So.... Now you're saying that the NCAA shouldn't punish anyone? There are "innumerable" innocent people that get punished whenever the NCAA hits a program. That argument just won't fly.
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That's not what he's saying. The NCAA's ability to punish individuals is extremely limited. The most that they can do is issue a show cause order to keep someone from getting hired at a member school. So in order to deter violations, the institution is the bearer of the brunt of the punishment. The NCAA could certainly be quicker in doling out punishment in order to minimize the collateral damage. But to a certain degree, there isn't much else they can do.

But in this case, the guilty individuals are being punished without NCAA involvement. The NCAA could ONLY punish the innocent. They have no authority to actually punish the guilty in this scenario.
 
#56
#56
tvols75 said:
Why is it appropriate? The penal code should take care of those matters as you said? Suspending a football program that was found guilty of harboring a child molester is sufficient. Every person that was not involved was given every avenue by the NCAA to get out of PSU if they wanted.
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The football program did not harbor a child molester. 4 men in positions of authority at PSU harbored a child molester. A football program isn't a sentient being that has the ability to act of its own accord.
 
#57
#57
GhostVol said:
I can practically guarantee that there are still people in that program that knew and did nothing. Do they get a walk?
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Shouldn't that need to be proven before severe punishment is doled out? If that's your justification, that is absurdly weak.
 
#58
#58
tvols75 said:
So when an NFL player constantly breaks the law, the commissioner shouldn't suspend him?
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No. That should be left to the team owners, just as it would be to any employer. Using that drunk off his own power POS Goodell is a horrible example. The NCAA would do well to use him as a model of how NOT to operate.
 
#59
#59
bamawriter said:
The football program did not harbor a child molester. 4 men in positions of authority at PSU harbored a child molester. A football program isn't a sentient being that has the ability to act of its own accord.
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You underestimate the power that the name Penn State football has.
 
#60
#60
bleedorange0037 said:
No. That should be left to the team owners, just as it would be to any employer. Using that drunk off his own power POS Goodell is a horrible example. The NCAA would do well to use him as a model of how NOT to operate.
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Yeah he's operating so bad that one of his awful franchises just got sold for over 1 billion.
 
#62
#62
bleedorange0037 said:
No, I'm saying they should punish the guilty parties, not the 18-21 year olds left in the wake of violations. Coaches who commit violations should be punished with show-causes (like with Bruce Pearl) rather than just destroying a program while a coach just moves on to his next destination free and clear.
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While I agree with you in principal, by using that argument you are basically saying that no one, ever, can be punished since in EVERY occasion "innocent" people are going to get it too.
 
#63
#63
bleedorange0037 said:
No, I'm saying they should punish the guilty parties, not the 18-21 year olds left in the wake of violations. Coaches who commit violations should be punished with show-causes (like with Bruce Pearl) rather than just destroying a program while a coach just moves on to his next destination free and clear.
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How are the 18-21 year olds being punished?
 
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#64
tvols75 said:
Yeah he's operating so bad that one of his awful franchises just got sold for over 1 billion.
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The NFL was big time before he was commissioner and it will continue to be big time once he steps down. (Provided he does so before he actually runs the sport into the ground.)
 
#66
#66
bleedorange0037 said:
The NFL was big time before he was commissioner and it will continue to be big time once he steps down. (Provided he does so before he actually runs the sport into the ground.)
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And what evidence shows he's running the sport into the ground?
 
#69
#69
tvols75 said:
How are the 18-21 year olds being punished?
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Giving them the ability to transfer isn't erasing all punishment. What about the guys who want to go to PSU, and are now prohibited from playing on a level playing field?
 
#70
#70
bleedorange0037 said:
I wasn't speaking specifically to the PSU case, I was talking in generalities of the players who are left at the school once the NCAA hands out sanctions.
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Well we are talking about PSU here. What innocent parties are punished. The NCAA made sure to provide them any opportunity they wanted.
 
#72
#72
bamawriter said:
Giving them the ability to transfer isn't erasing all punishment. What about the guys who want to go to PSU, and are now prohibited from playing on a level playing field?
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If they felt like they were playing on an unlevel playing field, then they must weigh what is more important: 1. Playing for PSU or 2. Playing for a contending team. It's their decision.
 
#73
#73
tvols75 said:
Well we are talking about PSU here. What innocent parties are punished. The NCAA made sure to provide them any opportunity they wanted.
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What about the new coaching staff, all the employees who had no idea about Sandusky, and the people living in State College who depend on PSU football to make a living?
 
#74
#74
bamawriter said:
So the NCAA's actions make that more likely than a prison sentence?
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Ummm yeah. You think it's not going to get through to people at a University that they need to speak up like a Baylor coach did or suffer what PSU did?
 
#75
#75
bamawriter said:
What about the new coaching staff, all the employees who had no idea about Sandusky, and the people living in State College who depend on PSU football to make a living?
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They have a very good coaching staff. They could find jobs anywhere they like or can make millions at PSU. Their choice again.
 
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