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#76
i do think that illegal immigrants at some point satisfied a role for cheap labor in this country. i don't see how this couldn't be done with a worker program though. and i think we can safetly assume that there are far more people milking the system then there are needed to dig ditches in southern california. we reached the tipping point 10 million people ago.
 
#77
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BigPapaVol said:
As to the Republicans and cheap labor, I think that is a fading viewpoint. Americans are moving back toward a willingness to take on crappy jobs to feed families. The idiotic extension of unemployment benefits didn't help, but it's happening.
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I'm not so sure. Many Americans seem content to continue taking an unemployment check than to actually work. If we would stop extending unemployment benefits, then I would have more faith in this
 
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#83
lawgator1 said:
ok
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have you not? If they're right, and they will be if they get enough through this friendly congress, then we will have Euro unemployment stats. There is plenty of empirical evidence regarding socialization, big safety nets and unemployment.
 
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#85
MG1968 said:
liberals like cash don't care what the bill actually says
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this thread has little to nothing to do with the immigration law... i'm just talking about boycotts in general. You guys all know this has the top officials worried in Arizona. But since you changed the subject, I assume you already know that.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Somebody in here needs to brush up on the electricity market.
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oh lord, you're an expert on this too??? This is just unreal... How are you not in charge of the world yet with your infinite knowledge of anything and everything that has ever existed??
 
#87
#87
Perhaps it does have officials worried but I'm sure unique problem they have concerning illegals and the consequence they bring are offset. If nothing else this AZ law has brought the issue back to the forefront, not that I have any confidence Obama will address the situation any more than Bush did.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
have you not? If they're right, and they will be if they get enough through this friendly congress, then we will have Euro unemployment stats. There is plenty of empirical evidence regarding socialization, big safety nets and unemployment.
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Dunno.'

Just saying that I truly doubt that the parties in Congress are going to do much of anything on the subject, other than accuse the other side of doing the wrong thing, because both sides have pretty singificant self-interests in allowing it to continue.
 
#89
#89
" because both sides have pretty singificant self-interests in allowing it to continue."

any president running on a anti-illegal immigration stance will win. mark my word. people are fed up.
 
#90
#90
The two issues offsetting each other still doesn't mean they're not worried about boycotts (which they are, obviously. just google arizona governor and boycott. there's plenty out there with her releasing statements asking for boycotts not to happen)

What the governor wants is to get rid of illegal immigrants while improving their current economic status. With boycotts (if they happen, which i highly doubt on any kind of major level) there's no way they improve their economic standing.
 
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droski said:
" because both sides have pretty singificant self-interests in allowing it to continue."

any president running on a anti-illegal immigration stance will win. mark my word. people are fed up.
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The Dems won't nominate such a person because they are major courting the Hispanic vote. Not just the votes of illegals should they be normalized. But of all Hispanics, and there is a sentiment within that community that anti-immigration vitriol from the TP et al is really anti-Hispanic, as much as it is specific to immigration.

I realize you disagree that there is such vitriol. You are dead wrong on that.

I realize you say that the anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic sentiments are separable. I agree that they are in thoery, but in reality the perception is that this has less to do with immigration, and more to do with animosity towards Hispanics in general.

That is why you see a guy like Marco Rubio, who is otherwise a major TP poster boy, criticizing the Arizona law. He realizes South Florida Hispanics, even if they are not Mexican and are themselves legal, view what AZ did as an insult to them.

Within the GOP, there is going to be a split. Moderates and pro-business people will be reluctant to move on this, both because they do not want to alienate Hispanic voters, and because of business interests.

The really vocal anti-immigration contingent will press for it in a candidate and as a major componenet in the GOP platform. It will be interesting to see who wins that battle within the GOP as it appears that it is going to be a part of the ongoing split between the pragmatists and the ideologues.
 
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#93
#93
Listen, I grew up in South Florida. There is an illegal immigrant population there, but it is dwarfed by the legal Hispanic population.

I am telling you, even second and third generation American citizens of Hispanic origin view tough anti-immigration talk as generally anti-Hispanic, and not really about immigration.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I realize you say that the anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic sentiments are separable. I agree that they are in thoery, but in reality the perception is that this has less to do with immigration, and more to do with animosity towards Hispanics in general.
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i have nothing against hispanics in general. i love the cultural aspects they have brought to california. i still think we should deport the hell out of them. i don't expect you to understand. to you it's a couple of people you see working behind hte counter at mcdonalds. to me it's an invasion that is severly effecting the quality of life in southern california and are sending the state to greece like bankruptcy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Listen, I grew up in South Florida. There is an illegal immigrant population there, but it is dwarfed by the legal Hispanic population.

I am telling you, even second and third generation American citizens of Hispanic origin view tough anti-immigration talk as generally anti-Hispanic, and not really about immigration.
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Perhaps that's because that's what they been told it's mainly about (being anti-Hispanic) from all the politicians on the left (and the media).

Sine you're so connected with Joe Six Pack, you should realize that most people don't have a problem with Hispanics or even immigration, it's about illegal immigration.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Listen, I grew up in South Florida. There is an illegal immigrant population there, but it is dwarfed by the legal Hispanic population.

I am telling you, even second and third generation American citizens of Hispanic origin view tough anti-immigration talk as generally anti-Hispanic, and not really about immigration.
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and would you argue the anticuban sentiment is racist in south florida or maybe has to do with the massive crime that has come with the second invasion of cuban residents?
 
#99
#99
droski said:
i have nothing against hispanics in general. i love the cultural aspects they have brought to california. i still think we should deport the hell out of them. i don't expect you to understand. to you it's a couple of people you see working behind hte counter at mcdonalds. to me it's an invasion that is severly effecting the quality of life in southern california and are sending the state to greece like bankruptcy.
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Oh, I understand what you are saying completely. I think a lot of it has to do with where you are. For example, in Cali, Texas, and AZ, the illegal immigration problem is such a drain on resources that the deisre to end that outweighs the other concerns.

In South Florida, or New York, which both have large Hispanic populations but not nearly the illegals problem of the Southwest, there is skepticisim of that as the true motivation.

Its a thorny issue. Even tougher politics.




volsforever27 said:
Perhaps that's because that's what they been told it's mainly about (being anti-Hispanic) from all the politicians on the left (and the media).

Sine you're so connected with Joe Six Pack, you should realize that most people don't have a problem with Hispanics or even immigration, it's about illegal immigration.
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No, no one is planting that idea in their heads. There is such a history of struggle in that community.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, I understand what you are saying completely. I think a lot of it has to do with where you are. For example, in Cali, Texas, and AZ, the illegal immigration problem is such a drain on resources that the deisre to end that outweighs the other concerns.

In South Florida, or New York, which both have large Hispanic populations but not nearly the illegals problem of the Southwest, there is skepticisim of that as the true motivation.

Its a thorny issue. Even tougher politics.







No, no one is planting that idea in their heads. There is such a history of struggle in that community.
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Struggle of what? People like you saying that everyone is out to get them?
 
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