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#102
#102
droski said:
and would you argue the anticuban sentiment is racist in south florida or maybe has to do with the massive crime that has come with the second invasion of cuban residents?
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Ah, VERY interesting subject.

My impression is that there is a duality to the thinking of the Cuban-American population. Those that came here from Cuba, or were born to households of emigres, are in many respects quite conservative. By and large they are Catholic and committed to that.

They are staunchly anti-Communist, sometimes obsessively so when it comes to Castro. In fact, until a few years ago, Hispanic state legislators from Miami frequently talked in terms of some sort of down-the-road effort to take back from the Cuban government some sort of compensatino for all the property that was nationalized under Castro.

The rhetoric along those lines, even if not specific, was quite adamant. That kind of has died down over the last decade, probably through a combination of the Cuban-American population having managed to build up more wealth within the current community, and because the newer generations do not feel as wronged as their predecessors, who lived through it.

On the other hand, there is a growing suspicion that conservative America sees them as just another aspect of the problem caused by illegal immigrants. The Miami Cuban population is fiercely proud. The sense that they are being lumped in with everyone else from South and Central America is a major source of angst.

What this translates to is an awkward sensibility to the tough talk on anti-illegal immigration. It is a murky thing, and their overall sentiment sometimes feel like they just feel flat out obligated to be opposed to it because its an Hispanic thing, versus a Mexican but not Cuban thing.

Gets pretty complicated.
 
#103
#103
Cash Vallin said:
No, of people actually being stopped by the cops for no apparent reason. that situation has little to do with the media and very much to do with personal experiences.
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if they are legal they will have drivers licenses etc, its like a roadblock checking for valid licenses, drunk drivers etc
 
#107
#107
besides if you knew the actual rules for a cop being able to pull you over for failure to maintain lane?
 
#108
#108
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
if they are legal they will have drivers licenses etc, its like a roadblock checking for valid licenses, drunk drivers etc
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Cash Vallin said:
except, in most cases (cases i've observed myself) there's no roadblock. it's just "random."
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Face it, the real objection is being asked for your identification because you look Hispanic, regardless fo whether its being pulled over or at a scheduled road block. It is offensive.

Question is, is the personal offense taken by those stopped outweighed by the benefit to whatever reduction it causes in illegal immigration?

The funny thing about that -- and I've not heard the argument -- is that I cannot imagien that some poor guy in Mexico is going to decide not to rough it across the Rio Grande because he's afraid that, in a couple of years, he will be randomly pulled over and booted back to Mexico because he doesn't have a license.

The deterrent effect of this approach is just de minimis. How many illegals are going to be caught by it? A few thousand every year, tops? Versus what is coming in? Not even close to making a dent.

That's the irony of the whole thing. It isn't going to matter.
 
#109
#109
lawgator1 said:
Face it, the real objection is being asked for your identification because you look Hispanic, regardless fo whether its being pulled over or at a scheduled road block. It is offensive.

Question is, is the personal offense taken by those stopped outweighed by the benefit to whatever reduction it causes in illegal immigration?

The funny thing about that -- and I've not heard the argument -- is that I cannot imagien that some poor guy in Mexico is going to decide not to rough it across the Rio Grande because he's afraid that, in a couple of years, he will be randomly pulled over and booted back to Mexico because he doesn't have a license.

The deterrent effect of this approach is just de minimis. How many illegals are going to be caught by it? A few thousand every year, tops? Versus what is coming in? Not even close to making a dent.

That's the irony of the whole thing. It isn't going to matter.
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who cares? the move towards uber PCness is gonna be our downfall, people need to grow some thicker skin and quit getting all butt hurt
 
#110
#110
lawgator1 said:
The funny thing about that -- and I've not heard the argument -- is that I cannot imagien that some poor guy in Mexico is going to decide not to rough it across the Rio Grande because he's afraid that, in a couple of years, he will be randomly pulled over and booted back to Mexico because he doesn't have a license.
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you obviously don't know how terrified the average mexican is of la policia.
 
#111
#111
Cash Vallin said:
oh lord, you're an expert on this too??? This is just unreal... How are you not in charge of the world yet with your infinite knowledge of anything and everything that has ever existed??
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He's getting his golf game ready for the senior tour :birgits_giggle:

As far as his knowledge is concerned, you haven't even scratched the surface
 
#112
#112
like those mexicans that rear ended this girl on monday, they tried to effin run luckily a cop was there to pull them out of the car they were trying to leave in. guess what, they didnt have insurance because they werent legal. soo that girl is SOL because our immigration laws are a joke and we are too worried about offending people
 
#113
#113
droski said:
you've never witnessed a drunk checkpoint on new years or fourth of july?
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how on earth did you even reach that conclusion??? A checkpoint isn't random on the fourth or on new years.......... being pulled over on lets say April 5 for no apparent reason is random in a lot of people's minds.

hence, what LG is talking about. People's perceptions in these communities have little to do with the media telling them how to think and everything to do with personal experiences.
Again, perception=reality for most people.
The thing is, perception isn't always true. That's where the big argument comes from
 
#114
#114
anyone living in california without uninsured motorist insurance is an idiot. it increases my premium by 25% at least.
 
#115
#115
truefan said:
He's getting his golf game ready for the senior tour :birgits_giggle:

As far as his knowledge is concerned, you haven't even scratched the surface
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Sadly, in his mind, he thinks that's the case. We have only been exposed to his true genius. Wait until it's a true outbreak. We're just gonna be blown away.
 
#116
#116
Cash Vallin said:
Sadly, in his mind, he thinks that's the case. We have only been exposed to his true genius. Wait until it's a true outbreak. We're just gonna be blown away.
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i don't think intellectual superiority is the trump card you should be pulling.
 
#117
#117
droski said:
anyone living in california without uninsured motorist insurance is an idiot. it increases my premium by 25% at least.
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You're speaking my language (pardon the pun). I saw some stats that said that CA was either #1 or near the top for the number of accidents involving uninsured motorists.
 
#119
#119
volsforever27 said:
You're speaking my language (pardon the pun). I saw some stats that said that CA was either #1 or near the top for the number of accidents involving uninsured motorists.
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the illegal immigrants (or legal ones either) have no incentive to get insurance. the police can't ask for identification or can't ask if they are here legally. so basically they give the police some false information after the crash and then where there is a court date where they might have to pay damages they just don't show up.
 
#120
#120
droski said:
i don't think intellectual superiority is the trump card you should be pulling.
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i'm not pulling it. it's always BigPapaVOl on EVERY frickin issue. I know I'm not the smartest man in the world. BPV, i'm not so sure, doesn't think he's smarter than everybody. He chimes in on everything.
 
#122
#122
droski said:
knowing you are smarter than everyone else isn't arrogance with some. it's being self aware.
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it's exceptionally arrogant and often times not true. you have no clue what my intellectual capacity is. you base it solely on my politics that disagree with you. if i presented in the same way i do now but with politics you agreed with, you would say i was way smarter.

this stuff isn't hard to figure out.
 
#124
#124
Cash Vallin said:
it's exceptionally arrogant and often times not true. you have no clue what my intellectual capacity is. you base it solely on my politics that disagree with you. if i presented in the same way i do now but with politics you agreed with, you would say i was way smarter.

this stuff isn't hard to figure out.
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i have plenty of misguided liberal friends who i would consider very smart. smart isn't the same thing as common sense. but at least they can argue their points elegantly.
 
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