Mac McClung

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The arguments for and against are a moot point if we don’t have a scholarship available. Is he going to wait around to see what Pons does?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yurtseven scored 0.2 ppg fewer than McClung on 1.3 fewer FGA's and 1.2 fewer FTA's. Moseley didn't miss from 3p, and Allen didn't either. If it's true that he was getting doubled then his assist numbers should be way higher, and it's very troubling that they are not. They had 3 guys that played big minutes and shot 38% from 3.
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Yep if you watched the games these guys took shots when open. MM had to create shots and at times did force some. The team was down like 5 transfers , not sure what’s going on with Ewing.
The team was looking to MM and he did try to do more than he was capable of IMO at times even the announcers said as much.
I just believe on a deep team he would be a valuable player. I think he would like to play for UT his HS is on VA/TN border lot of UT fans in SWVA.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Eye test vs. Results. Guys that look the part will always get a shot. He can get better but it hasn't been good so far.
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Averaged 13 as a freshman and nearly 16 points as a sophomore for a dysfunctional and poorly coached team. All freshman Big East. He is capable and did take over games as a sophomore before his ankle issues. Apparently you did not watch him very much. He can get stronger and become an even better player. He could be in the rotation for any team in the country. [VIDEO=][VIDEO=][/VIDEO][/VIDEO]
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Averaged 13 as a freshman and nearly 16 points as a sophomore for a dysfunctional and poorly coached team. All freshman Big East. He is capable and did take over games as a sophomore before his ankle issues. Apparently you did not watch him very much. He can get stronger and become an even better player. He could be in the rotation for any team in the country. [VIDEO=][VIDEO=][/VIDEO][/VIDEO]
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His points are completely a function of how many shots he takes. It does not take a special talent to get 14 ppg off 12 shots and 4 ft's per game. Just about any "scorer" can do this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
His points are completely a function of how many shots he takes. It does not take a special talent to get 14 ppg off 12 shots and 4 ft's per game. Just about any "scorer" can do this.
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He is a streak shooter as many gifted players are. He was one of the most gifted players in the Big East, maybe the most gifted. If he becomes a Vol the team will be even better than current expectations. He can take people off the dribble and drive and about the only thing the defensive player can do is foul. McClung has not even come close to his potential yet. His 3 point and dunking are not the best part of his game. The ability to create his shot is special that very few players possess.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He is a streak shooter as many gifted players are. He was one of the most gifted players in the Big East, maybe the most gifted. If he becomes a Vol the team will be even better than current expectations. He can take people off the dribble and drive and about the only thing the defensive player can do is foul. McClung has not even come close to his potential yet. His 3 point and dunking are not the best part of his game. The ability to create his shot is special that very few players possess.
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If this is true, why is he so inefficient? He should be getting to the line twice as much, then.

I agree that he has potential. Why has it not been realized?
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
It has at times. Especially the first 10 or 15 games the past year before the injuries started. I’ll ask you again, how many games have you watched?
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Not enough to get deceived by his flashiness. Scoring is just math. In baseball, you don't have to watch a guy hit to know if he can hit the ball. In fact, watching can be deceiving. Same thing goes for scoring. You either make shots or you don't. It's really that simple. He misses 61% of his shots. He misses 71% of his 3's. This is easy. Having a scorer who misses a lot is not a formula for winning.

Look at it this way...if you get 1 point per shot, and i get 1.1 pps, who wins?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not enough to get deceived by his flashiness. Scoring is just math. In baseball, you don't have to watch a guy hit to know if he can hit the ball. In fact, watching can be deceiving. Same thing goes for scoring. You either make shots or you don't. It's really that simple. He misses 61% of his shots. He misses 71% of his 3's. This is easy. Having a scorer who misses a lot is not a formula for winning.

Look at it this way...if you get 1 point per shot, and i get 1.1 pps, who wins?
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You cannot judge his value by just looking at stats. For the third time, how much have you watched him play? Especially his sophomore year. Have you looked at Birds shooting percentages the last 3 or 4 years of his career? He was still a great player then because of his overall game and intangibles. You cannot judge McClung’s value by just quoting stat after stat. There is more to it than that.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
You cannot judge his value by just looking at stats. For the third time, how much have you watched him play? Especially his sophomore year. Have you looked at Birds shooting percentages the last 3 or 4 years of his career? He was still a great player then because of his overall game and intangibles. You cannot judge McClung’s value by just quoting stat after stat. There is more to it than that.
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I did not watch a whole single game of McClung. Even as a broken down old man with a destroyed back, Bird still shot an average-to-good TS%, and he rebounded, and racked up the assists. McClung does none of these things.

You can tell me you watch McClung and see potential and I agree with that. You cannot tell me he's been a consistently good scorer. Some numbers lie. You can't judge everything off numbers, but they do accurately explain certain things, like past scoring effectiveness.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He is scholarship worthy. 13 schools, including UT have reportedly contacted McClung.
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He wants UT, he wanted UT out of high school and so did his family who are UT fans, grandfather played football at UT, sister played soccer here. We do not want this guy with Auburn or Florida, he is a take, and we have talked to him more than once.
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
He wants UT, he wanted UT out of high school and so did his family who are UT fans, grandfather played football at UT, sister played soccer here. We do not want this guy with Auburn or Florida, he is a take, and we have talked to him more than once.
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So is Pons' NBA draft decision important regarding this situation?
 
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We posted this on the board, but in case you missed it, it doesn’t seem at this point that the Vols are going to be a serious player for McClung. Our understanding is that Tennessee did reach out to the former Hoya guard this week, but from what we’re told the conversation pretty much consisted of telling him that if he would wait a few months to see what Yves Pons decides to do in regards to the NBA draft the Vols would be interested in talking with him.
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It’s also been expressed to us that taking McClung might have a negative impact on Tennessee’s efforts with 2021 five-star point guard Kennedy Chandler. Not that Chandler would, or should, be afraid of the competition, but right now Tennessee is able to truthfully sell him on the fact that he’s the future of the point guard position in Knoxville. Santiago Vescovi can easily play off the ball, as he showed this past season, and Chandler could probably expect to walk in and start at the point from day one.
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-vq
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not enough to get deceived by his flashiness. Scoring is just math. In baseball, you don't have to watch a guy hit to know if he can hit the ball. In fact, watching can be deceiving. Same thing goes for scoring. You either make shots or you don't. It's really that simple. He misses 61% of his shots. He misses 71% of his 3's. This is easy. Having a scorer who misses a lot is not a formula for winning.

Look at it this way...if you get 1 point per shot, and i get 1.1 pps, who wins?
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I would say in basketball it can be more deceiving to only rely on stats because it’s a team game. It’s why the best player on terrible teams (Kevin Love) ends up being only okay when you put him on a team with a ball dominating player who is actually good (Lebron).
 
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Well there ya go, Tennessee not all that interested. Also, just about everyone around the program expects Pons to be back.
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
Don't think so, but I'll personally be shocked to see Pons a Vol next season
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IIRC, you have some sort of connection, enough of one that it got you in to fall practices in Pratt, last season, if memory serves me correctly. So, I am willing to believe you aren't just throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks.

Disappointing, if true, but Pons worked his butt for the opportunity and if he is projected to be drafted, I wont blame him at all for taking the opportunity, especially given his personal life. He isn't the average college kid. Moved here from Europe, married, and basketball is his ticket to financial freedom. Can't blame him at all for pursuing it.

I feel like, if he goes, he will be remembered similarly to how Marcus Haislip is today. A guy who contributed very little over two years, and then exploded as a JR and parlayed that into immediate NBA interest. Haislup had better offensive statistics and was a far better rebounder. Pons is the better shot blocker and all-around defender.

Just like Haislip could have probably used an additional year to refine his weaknesses, Pons could, as well. But, also like Haislip, he is really much less likely to improve his draft stock by returning and he misses out on a year of being paid to play. So I get it.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He is a streak shooter as many gifted players are. He was one of the most gifted players in the Big East, maybe the most gifted. If he becomes a Vol the team will be even better than current expectations. He can take people off the dribble and drive and about the only thing the defensive player can do is foul. McClung has not even come close to his potential yet. His 3 point and dunking are not the best part of his game. The ability to create his shot is special that very few players possess.
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I'm not saying this as a take him or don't take him (I've never seen him play), but one of my coaches said that he would love a team with 5 streaky shooters on it. He said 2 or 3 would always be "on'.
 
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OrngeJuiceJones said:
He wants UT, he wanted UT out of high school and so did his family who are UT fans, grandfather played football at UT, sister played soccer here. We do not want this guy with Auburn or Florida, he is a take, and we have talked to him more than once.
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So UT did not offer out of High School but are interested now?
 
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