Mac McClung

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bleedingTNorange said:
Might want to redo the math...on May 17th we were full, we had added Bailey and Plavsic, and Walker had already transferred out. We were sitting at 13 scholarships and in pursuit of Blackshear for weeks after that date, and it wasn’t until July that Burns departed.

If you recall that is when all the talk was going on about would Bailey pay his own way, and you even were discussing his mom being a coach at Texas and how that could come into play. And then there was also talk about Pember potentially paying his own way or taking a prep year.

We were full and then Burns left, Kent left in November putting us 2 short and then we added Vescovi bringing us to being 1 down.
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But you, yourself, had suggested that Burns may be on his way out prior to Tennessee pursuing Blackshear. There seemed to be a clear Avenue to making room.

In this case, it certainly doesn't seem that clear, and in reality, it seems to be more circumstantial with regards to Pons' decision. Tennessee can want McClung and still not be justified in taking him, so it isn't just as simple as saying, "If the staff wanted him they’d take him now, not ask him to wait." With Blackshear, Burns had made decisions that jeopardized his standing and made him potentially expendable. There isn't much evidence that is the case with any of the current players unless you know something no one else does.
 
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cncchris33 said:
But you, yourself, had suggested that Burns may be on his way out prior to Tennessee pursuing Blackshear. There seemed to be a clear Avenue to making room.

In this case, it certainly doesn't seem that clear, and in reality, it seems to be more circumstantial with regards to Pons' decision. Tennessee can want McClung and still not be justified in taking him, so it isn't just as simple as saying, "If the staff wanted him they’d take him now, not ask him to wait." With Blackshear, Burns had made decisions that jeopardized his standing and made him potentially expendable. There isn't much evidence that is the case with any of the current players unless you know something no one else does.
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Yep
 
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cncchris33 said:
But you, yourself, had suggested that Burns may be on his way out prior to Tennessee pursuing Blackshear. There seemed to be a clear Avenue to making room.

In this case, it certainly doesn't seem that clear, and in reality, it seems to be more circumstantial with regards to Pons' decision. Tennessee can want McClung and still not be justified in taking him, so it isn't just as simple as saying, "If the staff wanted him they’d take him now, not ask him to wait." With Blackshear, Burns had made decisions that jeopardized his standing and made him potentially expendable. There isn't much evidence that is the case with any of the current players unless you know something no one else does.
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If you look back there wasn’t evidence about Burns either until some rumors about him having some troubles. I also don’t remember mentioning it prior to Blackshear, I thought that was when it started getting brought up because folks were asking how we would have room.

Didn’t VQ repeatedly say when mentioning Cisse or Bediako that they’d make the numbers work...they aren’t saying that about McClung.
 
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Was it possible to have signed Blackshear and Pember opted for prep school for a year or was Pember already enrolled and taking up a spot?

Between Burns and Zack Kent maybe the coaches were pretty confident that there was going to be an open spot for Blackshear.
 
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Yall are acting like we have a team of shooters like this kid, name one besides JJJ... They all let us down in the crunch this year. Pons was a highlight with shooting also, but he is not there to shoot and probably will be gone. Fulky played hard but he wasn't a shooter..

I love our guys, but shooting was not a strong point this year.
 
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Milehigh_Vol said:
Yall are acting like we have a team of shooters like this kid, name one besides JJJ... They all let us down in the crunch this year. Pons was a highlight with shooting also, but he is not there to shoot and probably will be gone. Fulky played hard but he wasn't a shooter..

I love our guys, but shooting was not a strong point this year.
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James, Vescovi, Pons and Bailey are all better shooters than McClung.
 
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I just don’t see it. Would love to add him. But imagine recruiting two 5 stars by telling them they are the key to being highly successful, and then their minutes are cut some by a late guard transfer. You always want to add, but that doesn’t quite help your future recruiting pitch. KC won’t be scared, but McClung, Bailey, Vescovi, and maybe Keon Johnson and/or JJJ would still be around. The way you recruit high level players is by having playing time.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I just don’t see it. Would love to add him. But imagine recruiting two 5 stars by telling them they are the key to being highly successful, and then their minutes are cut some by a late guard transfer. You always want to add, but that doesn’t quite help your future recruiting pitch. KC won’t be scared, but McClung, Bailey, Vescovi, and maybe Keon Johnson and/or JJJ would still be around. The way you recruit high level players is by having playing time.
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Yep. Put me on the side of Buiding with HS guys. I wasn’t for our other transfer and I am not for this one either
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Was it possible to have signed Blackshear and Pember opted for prep school for a year or was Pember already enrolled and taking up a spot?

Between Burns and Zack Kent maybe the coaches were pretty confident that there was going to be an open spot for Blackshear.
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This
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If you look back there wasn’t evidence about Burns either until some rumors about him having some troubles. I also don’t remember mentioning it prior to Blackshear, I thought that was when it started getting brought up because folks were asking how we would have room.

Didn’t VQ repeatedly say when mentioning Cisse or Bediako that they’d make the numbers work...they aren’t saying that about McClung.
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Cisse and Bediako are necessities. McClung is a luxury. You make room for a necessity. They can both want McClung, and yet realize that the path to pursuing him isn't valuable. The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

It seems like you are, perhaps inadvertently, equating the ideas of want and need.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yep. Put me on the side of Buiding with HS guys. I wasn’t for our other transfer and I am not for this one either
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I’m fine with Anosike because it was a position of need based on bringing in two 5 star guards and will bring immediate help. He will get more time than a freshman big. There is a window to win big again as we lose Fulky and possibly lose Springer, Johnson, and JJJ early.
 
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Milehigh_Vol said:
Yall are acting like we have a team of shooters like this kid, name one besides JJJ... They all let us down in the crunch this year. Pons was a highlight with shooting also, but he is not there to shoot and probably will be gone. Fulky played hard but he wasn't a shooter..

I love our guys, but shooting was not a strong point this year.
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Milehigh_Vol said:
I'll give you Vescovi, but I will disagree with Bailey. Body of work is not there for him yet.
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I think you may have made these posts without doing much research, first. You are praising the shooting ability of a kid who is a sub-40% shooter overall, and a sub-30% shooter from 3. Kid can score, but it comes at the price of efficiency. As previously stated, he would be the 5th best shooter on a team you implicitly described as a bad shooting team.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I just don’t see it. Would love to add him. But imagine recruiting two 5 stars by telling them they are the key to being highly successful, and then their minutes are cut some by a late guard transfer. You always want to add, but that doesn’t quite help your future recruiting pitch. KC won’t be scared, but McClung, Bailey, Vescovi, and maybe Keon Johnson and/or JJJ would still be around. The way you recruit high level players is by having playing time.
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Well said...he’s not a can’t miss guy, nor is it a position of need. He would take up a scholarship for 2 or possibly even 3 years, if we lead for Chandler like many think we do and you add him there is a ton of guards on that roster.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Cisse and Bediako are necessities. McClung is a luxury. You make room for a necessity. They can both want McClung, and yet realize that the path to pursuing him isn't valuable. The two ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

It seems like you are, perhaps inadvertently, equating the ideas of want and need.
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So if say Tyrese Halliburton or Cole Anthony were to remove their names from the draft, and enter the transfer portal that Tennessee wouldn’t be interested in adding one of them?
 
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BruinVol said:
I side with @Thunder Good-Oil on this one.

you ask what kind of Person would give up their scholarship and I think that’s easy to answer. I think it’s entirely possible that subject was discussed in the recruiting process and it was said to be prepared for such a move. The timing of his commitment seemed odd at the time with limited spots and I think with the fact he’s a local kid that reportedly has an upper class family it’s possible in the name of it allows flexibility in recruiting to make the team better.
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My wife graduated from Gate City in 2010. According to her his mother is a PE teacher at GC and his dad is a probation officer. I dont think they are that well off. If they are its because of Patrick Ewing LOL
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So if say Tyrese Halliburton or Cole Anthony were to remove their names from the draft, and enter the transfer portal that Tennessee wouldn’t be interested in adding one of them?
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I doubt Tennessee would actively pursue either player. If one reached out, which is extremely doubtful given our situation at their positions, I guess you listen, but that hypothetical is so far out of the realm of reality that isn't really worth discussing. I'd also likely argue that a ball-handler like Anthony and a shooter like Haliburton are more of a necessity than a volume shooter like McClung.

My point is that you seem to be making it entirely black and white; they either definitely want or they definitely don't, and I just think there is significantly more gray area in the idea than you do.

I can want a second car, but do I want the extra payment, insurance, maintenance? Is it worth all that to have?

Tennessee can want McClung, but do they want to tamper with team chemistry, stunt the growth of their young guards, force someone into a walk-on position or off the team? Is he worth all that to have?
 
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cncchris33 said:
I doubt Tennessee would actively pursue either player. If one reached out, which is extremely doubtful given our situation at their positions, I guess you listen, but that hypothetical is so far out of the realm of reality that isn't really worth discussing. I'd also likely argue that a ball-handler like Anthony and a shooter like Haliburton are more of a necessity than a volume shooter like McClung.

My point is that you seem to be making it entirely black and white; they either definitely want or they definitely don't, and I just think there is significantly more gray area in the idea than you do.

I can want a second car, but do I want the extra payment, insurance, maintenance? Is it worth all that to have?

Tennessee can want McClung, but do they want to tamper with team chemistry, stunt the growth of their young guards, force someone into a walk-on position or off the team? Is he worth all that to have?
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My point was if they wanted him bad enough they’d make room, that doesn’t mean black and white that they either do or don’t want him...given our roster makeup and recruiting situation I don’t think he’s someone that they feel they have to have, thus he’s not someone they want as badly as say Bediako. Again, that doesn’t mean they think he’s a crap player or if a little different situation presents itself they wouldn’t take him, or if he said he guys I want to walk-on they’d say no, I’m simply saying they don’t want him bad enough to make room like they would for others.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I doubt Tennessee would actively pursue either player. If one reached out, which is extremely doubtful given our situation at their positions, I guess you listen, but that hypothetical is so far out of the realm of reality that isn't really worth discussing. I'd also likely argue that a ball-handler like Anthony and a shooter like Haliburton are more of a necessity than a volume shooter like McClung.

My point is that you seem to be making it entirely black and white; they either definitely want or they definitely don't, and I just think there is significantly more gray area in the idea than you do.

I can want a second car, but do I want the extra payment, insurance, maintenance? Is it worth all that to have?

Tennessee can want McClung, but do they want to tamper with team chemistry, stunt the growth of their young guards, force someone into a walk-on position or off the team? Is he worth all that to have?
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I just want to win SEC championships and make deep runs in the tourney. I'll take as much talent as we can get. If UT does this, then heck yeah it's worth it . IMO
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My point was if they wanted him bad enough they’d make room, that doesn’t mean black and white that they either do or don’t want him...given our roster makeup and recruiting situation I don’t think he’s someone that they feel they have to have, thus he’s not someone they want as badly as say Bediako. Again, that doesn’t mean they think he’s a crap player or if a little different situation presents itself they wouldn’t take him, or if he said he guys I want to walk-on they’d say no, I’m simply saying they don’t want him bad enough to make room like they would for others.
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That is an adequate rewording of your original statement, which read...
bleedingTNorange said:
If the staff wanted him they’d take him now, not ask him to wait.
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Had you said, "If the staff wanted him BAD ENOUGH they’d take him now, not ask him to wait", I'd have never mentioned it. In fact, I'd have agreed with it.
 
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