Making a Murderer (w/ Spoilers)

#251
#251
Sandvol said:
It is more common than not for police to continue to find evidence in a crime scene. You have to realize this is a small county in Wisconsin. And, this isn't CSI Miami. Like the bullet with her DNA, it was matched to Steve Avery's 22 that was found in his home.
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I don't care if it was bum f'd Egypt. every police agency has a contingency to deal with these kind of things.

and the woman that said her dna was on the bullet fragment also said, she couldn't say exactly when the dna was transferred.
 
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#252
#252
bamawriter said:
This brings me back to what I said earlier. I don't believe you ever responded to it:
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especially the two that found the evidence. a complete conflict of interest. they shouldn't have never been allowed on the Avery's property..
 
#253
#253
loggervol said:
I don't care if it was bum f'd Egypt. every police agency has a contingency to deal with these kind of things.

and the woman that said her dna was on the bullet fragment also said, she couldn't say exactly when the dna was transferred.
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When the bullet passed through her body it was transferred.
 
#254
#254
Sandvol said:
It is more common than not for police to continue to find evidence in a crime scene. You have to realize this is a small county in Wisconsin. And, this isn't CSI Miami. Like the bullet with her DNA, it was matched to Steve Avery's 22 that was found in his home.
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The whole bullet was a match to Avery's .22 rifle goes with a long line of misinformation that makes it impossible to believe the State. While the bullet was fired from a .22 caliber weapon, it could have been any .22 caliber. Also his rifle didn't have any forensics that would indicate it was fired at close range (same room).
 
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#255
OrangeBlood4life said:
So was she chopped up in tiny pieces by??? I don't recall that being mentioned
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Brendan said in his confession that Avery told him he used a shovel to break up the charred remains and was in the process of scattering and burying them about the property. He was trying to do this at night I believe.
 
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red butler said:
The whole bullet was a match to Avery's .22 rifle goes with a long line of misinformation that makes it impossible to believe the State. While the bullet was fired from a .22 caliber weapon, it could have been any .22 caliber. Also his rifle didn't have any forensics that would indicate it was fired at close range (same room).
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No it was matched to Avery's rifle.
 
#257
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Sandvol said:
When the bullet passed through her body it was transferred.
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that's what you think. but, it could have been transferred a different way. that's the reason the woman said she couldn't tell one way or the other.
 
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loggervol said:
yes but, how long was it before they actually started looking in the fire pit for her remains? it was after they had had the place for eight days. it was also after the cops had got a coerced statement. so how long did that give someone to plant that evidence?
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They found the remains pretty quickly after the car was found. Brendan's confession was much later.
 
#260
#260
Sandvol said:
This is getting tiring and not really worth my time.
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ok. I just have a different opinion of what happened.

you have to admit though, that the defense shot holes in every little bit of the prosecutions case. no matter what you believe.
 
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#261
Why were Manitowoc County cops allowed to investigate when they had openly acknowledged their conflict of interest, had transferred the case to Calumet County, and had committed to only provide material support?

Further, why was any evidence gathered in spite of that conflict of interest admitted in court?
 
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loggervol said:
ok. I just have a different opinion of what happened.

you have to admit though, that the defense shot holes in every little bit of the prosecutions case. no matter what you believe.
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The defense killed themselves on the EDTA test. They were left scrambling after that one.
 
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#263
Brendan says in his deposition that Steve removed the plates from the "jeep" when they moved it and hid it.

I thought the women who found Teresa's car identified it by the plates?

And how did Colburn identify "99 Toyota" when he called in the plates to dispatch before the car was found?
 
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Sandvol said:
No it was matched to Avery's rifle.
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I'm pretty sure the best they could do was link it to a .22 Marlin rifle. See, the prosecution puts this stuff out there hoping it shapes perception then when it gets debunked it increases doubt.

The prosecution would have literally been better off saying Avery was the last one to see her and the bones were found in his back yard. We don't know when or where he killed her but we have eliminated every other potential suspect.
 
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bamawriter said:
The defense killed themselves on the EDTA test. They were left scrambling after that one.
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I felt like every time the defense got up. the prosecution was scrambling. that fbi agent was lying through his teeth and I think they never did the test.
 
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PotS said:
Brendan says in his deposition that Steve removed the plates from the "jeep" when they moved it and hid it.

I thought the women who found Teresa's car identified it by the plates?

And how did Colburn identify "99 Toyota" when he called in the plates to dispatch before the car was found?
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The plates weren't on the car when it was found. They were in the trunk of another car on the lot.
 
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red butler said:
The EDTA test was requested by the prosecution, the defense objected even before the results were in.
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The defense raised the issue of the blood coming from the vial. Of course the prosecution asked for the test. As screwed up as the counties are, I don't believe some random dude from Quantico was in on their douchebaggery.
 
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#270
red butler said:
The EDTA test was requested by the prosecution, the defense objected even before the results were in.
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yes, but the defense asked for the test to be done first. but when the def. asked for it to be done. they said it would take 4 or 5 weeks or months to be done. I can't remember which. but they said it would take to long for them to come up with results. and all of a sudden they come up with a miracle test that allowed them to do the test in 2 or 3 days.
 
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#272
red butler said:
The prosecution would have literally been better of saying Avery was the last one to see her and the bones were found in her back yard. We don't know when or where he killed her but we have eliminated every other potential suspect.
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Totally agree. They got bogged down in details.
 
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loggervol said:
I think the def. still proved the test wasn't reliable.
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Sorry, but I disagree. "Just because he didn't find it doesn't mean it wasn't there" is the absolute worst attempt at discrediting a test ever. If their expert had run the test and found it, then great, you can paint the FBI analyst as having missed it. Otherwise, you're simply saying it might have been a false negative. You haven't even strongly suggested it was a false negative, you're just shrugging your shoulders and saying "hey, maybe...".
 
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bamawriter said:
Sorry, but I disagree. "Just because he didn't find it doesn't mean it wasn't there" is the absolute worst attempt at discrediting a test ever. If she'd run the test and found it, then great, you can paint the FBI analyst as having missed it. Otherwise, you're simply saying it might have been a false negative. You haven't even strongly suggested it was a false negative, you're just shrugging your shoulders and saying "hey, maybe...".
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that's the funny thing. they didn't have any of the original blood tested left to test. so, they couldn't have someone else do the test.
 
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loggervol said:
that's the funny thing. they didn't have any of the original blood tested left to test. so, they couldn't have someone else do the test.
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It's like the OJ Simpson leather glove. You can only have him try it on once. If you don't get the result you want, the bell can't be unrung.
 
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