Man, anyone see the video of the Police/Ryan Moats incident?

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GAVol said:
Last year, my withholding got screwed up and upon using TurboTax I realized that I owed money. It sort of felt like an accountant and forced his way into my home.
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You were just trying to sneak your way into the Obama administration.
 
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volmanbill said:
I have a friend who got a DUI without being in his car.

Long story short, he pushed the button on the wall for his garage door (at an apartment) and saw a cop outside. He then hit the button for the door to go down. Cop stops door. When second car arrives, cop A tells cop B that the suspect was backing out of the garage, saw him, and pulled back in.

He was drunk but never in the car. He was arrested for DUI. (He actually didn't even have his keys)

Cop shows up in court ready to testify when my friend produced a surveillance video from his complex showing the entire scene.

Lying cop busted, case dismissed.

This kind of crap happens every single day except the defendants usually aren't so lucky.

There are good cops out there but they are vastly outnumbered.
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Wow, interesting story. Glad the bad cop got caught.

I disagree, I think most cops are good and the bad ones are outnumbered.
Just like most teenagers I had a few incidents with police, nothing major. For the most part I felt like everything they did was reasonable.
My brother got stopped in a not so great part of Chattanooga after a cop spotted him buying beer at a convenient store. After stopping them he made them pour out the cans of beer but keep their quarts!
I guess all we have are our own experiences and that is all we can judge the police by.
 
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volmanbill said:
I have a friend who got a DUI without being in his car.

Long story short, he pushed the button on the wall for his garage door (at an apartment) and saw a cop outside. He then hit the button for the door to go down. Cop stops door. When second car arrives, cop A tells cop B that the suspect was backing out of the garage, saw him, and pulled back in.

He was drunk but never in the car. He was arrested for DUI. (He actually didn't even have his keys)

Cop shows up in court ready to testify when my friend produced a surveillance video from his complex showing the entire scene.

Lying cop busted, case dismissed.

This kind of crap happens every single day except the defendants usually aren't so lucky.

There are good cops out there but they are vastly outnumbered.
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I smell "Boy" "Sam" or "Bravo" "Sierra".

And as far as Vastly outnumbered, you are wrong. The bad ones are out there, but their numbers are few. Also, you can usually pick them out because good officers do not work with them or approve of them. This is evidenced in this very video when you see/hear the second officer TRY to give advice to the officer in question.

Usually when someone says that everything about any entity is corrupt or bad that someone has an axe to grind with that entity. It's kind of like racial profiling.
 
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tim said:
I smell "Boy" "Sam" or "Bravo" "Sierra".

And as far as Vastly outnumbered, you are wrong. The bad ones are out there, but their numbers are few. Also, you can usually pick them out because good officers do not work with them or approve of them. This is evidenced in this very video when you see/hear the second officer TRY to give advice to the officer in question.

Usually when someone says that everything about any entity is corrupt or bad that someone has an axe to grind with that entity. It's kind of like racial profiling.
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Whats a fair ratio to you, then? 1 out of 100? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 750,000 cops in the US. That can still be a lot of cops that would seek to lie about a case or an incident in order to alleviate blame from themselves or just simply make themselves look better.

I'm not talking about something as "frivolous" as flashing lights just to make it through an intersection or cutting in line at Dunkin' Donuts.

Personally? I've run into far more good cops than bad cops. The bad ones, though, stand out so much more because of the very much so authoritarian power they are entrusted with. Makes people nervous, to honestly tell you how it is on the other side of the fence.
 
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volmanbill said:
I have a friend who got a DUI without being in his car.

Long story short, he pushed the button on the wall for his garage door (at an apartment) and saw a cop outside. He then hit the button for the door to go down. Cop stops door. When second car arrives, cop A tells cop B that the suspect was backing out of the garage, saw him, and pulled back in.

He was drunk but never in the car. He was arrested for DUI. (He actually didn't even have his keys)

Cop shows up in court ready to testify when my friend produced a surveillance video from his complex showing the entire scene.

Lying cop busted, case dismissed.

This kind of crap happens every single day except the defendants usually aren't so lucky.

There are good cops out there but they are vastly outnumbered.
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Really..............................

:eek:hmy:
 
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tim said:
I smell "Boy" "Sam" or "Bravo" "Sierra".

And as far as Vastly outnumbered, you are wrong. The bad ones are out there, but their numbers are few. Also, you can usually pick them out because good officers do not work with them or approve of them. This is evidenced in this very video when you see/hear the second officer TRY to give advice to the officer in question.

Usually when someone says that everything about any entity is corrupt or bad that someone has an axe to grind with that entity. It's kind of like racial profiling.
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DC Vol said:
Whats a fair ratio to you, then? 1 out of 100? There are somewhere in the neighborhood of 750,000 cops in the US. That can still be a lot of cops that would seek to lie about a case or an incident in order to alleviate blame from themselves or just simply make themselves look better.

I'm not talking about something as "frivolous" as flashing lights just to make it through an intersection or cutting in line at Dunkin' Donuts.

Personally? I've run into far more good cops than bad cops. The bad ones, though, stand out so much more because of the very much so authoritarian power they are entrusted with. Makes people nervous, to honestly tell you how it is on the other side of the fence.
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Inching ever so closer...

To make Okvol have a wet dream, stastically speaking, law enforcement has the same ratio/percentage of bad apples as any other government agency and or private business.

So why do people hate law enforcement officers and or quick to lump them in with the "all" category?

Such as, all pigs have nefarious character!
 
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tim said:
I smell "Boy" "Sam" or "Bravo" "Sierra".

And as far as Vastly outnumbered, you are wrong. The bad ones are out there, but their numbers are few. Also, you can usually pick them out because good officers do not work with them or approve of them. This is evidenced in this very video when you see/hear the second officer TRY to give advice to the officer in question.

Usually when someone says that everything about any entity is corrupt or bad that someone has an axe to grind with that entity. It's kind of like racial profiling.
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You can "smell" whatever you want to. I bailed him out and I certainly don't need to make up a story. Racial profiling? Get real.

Another experience just a short while back....I was nailed by a hit and run driver. I pursued and dialed 911. I was told that they couldn't pursue because I was out of the city of Roswell (where it began). I got a license plate # but they never found them. Interesting though, every other day is a story on the news about multi-jurisdictional chases.

I'm just giving my opinion based a lifetime of experience, personal and otherwise. Again, cops are like all people, some good and some bad.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Inching ever so closer...

To make Okvol have a wet dream, stastically speaking, law enforcement has the same ratio/percentage of bad apples as any other government agency and or private business.

So why do people hate law enforcement officers and or quick to lump them in with the "all" category?

Such as, all pigs have nefarious character!
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I disagree with this assumption. If it is a true statistic, what was the criteria used to make the determination? It generally takes a certain (assertive maybe?) personality type to want to be a cop. Combine that with youth (in many cases) and "absolute" power and you have a recipe for disaster that is not found in other industries.
 
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volmanbill said:
I disagree with this assumption. If it is a true statistic, what was the criteria used to make the determination? It generally takes a certain (assertive maybe?) personality type to want to be a cop. Combine that with youth (in many cases) and "absolute" power and you have a recipe for disaster that is not found in other industries.
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1.) CALEA

2.) 70% of new hires are 30+ with 58% of those being ex military

3.) ????? Just resides with law enforcement?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
1.) CALEA

2.) 70% of new hires are 30+ with 58% of those being ex military

3.) ????? Just resides with law enforcement?
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:eek:lol:

1. A law enforcement biased site says it so it must be true. Isn't that kind of like a pot smoker using High Times statistics to prove a point?

2. So they went to the military first? Still the same mind-set in many cases.

3. It's not about where it "resides" but rather who is more likely to abuse power. I don't see bankers or teachers pulling people over (oh wait, the don't have that kind of power), and while illegally searching the car stealing things. (Yes, this happened to me. In Nashville many years ago.) Suspicious about a car but have no cause to pull them over? Good ole "failure to maintain lane" solves that little problem. How could any citizen prove otherwise?

Look, I've always been a (mostly :)) good citizen. But it's very simple, I've met/known/been involved with more bad cops than good.
 
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volmanbill said:
:eek:lol:

1. A law enforcement biased site says it so it must be true.

2. So they went to the military first? Still the same mind-set in many cases.

3. It's not about where it "resides" but rather who is more likely to abuse power. I don't see bankers or teachers pulling people over, and while illegally searching the car stealing things. (Yes, this happened to me. In Nashville many years ago.) Suspicious about a car but have no cause to pull them over? Good ole "failure to maintain lane" solves that little problem. How could any citizen prove otherwise?

Look, I've always been a (mostly :)) good citizen. But it's very simple, I've met/known/been involved with more bad cops than good.
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I can't help it you are a felon.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
I don't drink and I have never done drugs.

:hi:

Also, you really need to learn how to laugh.

It would help with the stress...
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And I'm not a felon. But you showed the same flawed logic that many cops do. You don't like what you hear or see so there must be a nefarious reason for it.

Anyway, for those good cops out there...thank you. I just wish there were more.
 
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volmanbill said:
And I'm not a felon. But you showed the same flawed logic that many cops do. You don't like what you hear or see so there must be a nefarious reason for it.

Anyway, for those good cops out there...thank you. I just wish there were more.
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Do you honestly think I think that? :dunno:

Laugh! :eek:lol:

Wow! :blink:
 
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volmanbill said:
:eek:lol:

1. A law enforcement biased site says it so it must be true. Isn't that kind of like a pot smoker using High Times statistics to prove a point?

2. So they went to the military first? Still the same mind-set in many cases.

3. It's not about where it "resides" but rather who is more likely to abuse power. I don't see bankers or teachers pulling people over (oh wait, the don't have that kind of power), and while illegally searching the car stealing things. (Yes, this happened to me. In Nashville many years ago.) Suspicious about a car but have no cause to pull them over? Good ole "failure to maintain lane" solves that little problem. How could any citizen prove otherwise?

Look, I've always been a (mostly :)) good citizen. But it's very simple, I've met/known/been involved with more bad cops than good.
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Dang Bill, a lot of things sure seem to happen to you and your friends. That's awful, you should invest in a 4 leaf clover or something.
 
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tim said:
Dang Bill, a lot of things sure seem to happen to you and your friends. That's awful, you should invest in a 4 leaf clover or something.
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I have lived a very diverse life and seen it from many perspectives in my 44 years. I've lived in the city and on a farm. I've been poor and I've had money. By no means have I lived a hermit's life. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I was 17 or 18 when this incident occurred.
 
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volmanbill said:
I have lived a very diverse life and seen it from many perspectives in my 44 years. I've lived in the city and on a farm. I've been poor and I've had money. By no means have I lived a hermit's life. I wouldn't have it any other way.

I was 17 or 18 when this incident occurred.
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