Man vs Wild vs Survivorman

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#26
survivor man makes a fort out of twigs and grizzly bear hair. bear runs to hotel 6, where he orders in, takes a shower etc.
 
#27
#27
I enjoy reading the disparaging remarks made about Bear, most of them inferring that he is somehow not tough enough. Last time I checked, Bear served in the SAS. Stroud...is a professional outdoorsman with a camera.

Stroud's credibility relies on staying out and going alone. Bear, on the other hand, has nothing to prove.
 
#28
#28
just saying if ur going to have a show where its about surviving the elements, then stay out there. i posted a video of one of his scenes where it wasn't even out in the wild. there are others
 
#29
#29
i am glad this topic showed up because ever since man vs. wild first aired, i was against his tactics. i am an outdoor guide and outdoor educator and have spent years teaching and telling people to do the exact opposite of what man vs. wild tells. then we find out he stays in a hotel and has a camera crew. but the tip of the iceberg was when he did a desert survival show. it aired just a few weeks after i spent about 3 weeks myself in the exact same location. now let me lay down the setting. he is just outside moab, ut, in an area known as "potash." this is an area where most of the river guides put in for trips on the colorado river out of moab. it is roughly ten miles outside of town. by watching that episode i can tell that he stayed on one side of the river and stayed in a very small area. what keyed me into him being a fraud is at the end of the show he jumps in the river and acts like he is going to swim to the other side. well, if you have ever been to this area, there is a ranch that is shown when he jumps in the river. this ranch is very much against visitors and doesn't allow anyone, much less a camera crew on their property. so in the last part of the scene it shows him getting out of the water on the same side of the river that he jumped in. the key here is that he is located by one of the last homes on that side of the river (directly across from the ranch). so in short i am saying by my personal working experience and the fact that i have spent many days trolling along on that very stretch of river i can say without a doubt that man vs. wild jumped into the river and falsely states that he swims to the other side when he exits right where he jumps in.

now if you have not been there than that probably means nothing to you. but yes, he tries to make his show interesting, but if you follow his advice in the show you will die very quickly. if you ever believe that jumping into a cold river just before dark in a mountainous environment is the correct thing to do, then please die, because the world needs a few less idiots in the outdoors. survivorman may not have as interesting of a show, but he is the most intelligent out of the two. he has spent his entire life learning the survival craft.

i have included the youtube link to the portion of the episode for which i have described. first at about 2 mins and 50 secs in you can hear domesticated dogs from the house he is very close to. at about the 3 min 50 sec mark in the video you can see the ranch and the very recognizable windmill on the opposite side of the river from him. then at the end you will see the house that is on the same side of the river as the original shot where the dogs live and you notice no windmill. so he gets in, gets wet, then exits the water on the same side not actually swimming across the river at all. this guy is a fraud and an idiot.

YouTube - Man vs. Wild [S1E2] Moab Desert Part 5

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#30
#30
if i could post a map of the area i could show how he was in fact right next to a road and not out in the middle of nowhere in utah as well.
 
#31
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therealUT said:
I enjoy reading the disparaging remarks made about Bear, most of them inferring that he is somehow not tough enough. Last time I checked, Bear served in the SAS. Stroud...is a professional outdoorsman with a camera.

Stroud's credibility relies on staying out and going alone. Bear, on the other hand, has nothing to prove.
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Actually, he does. He needs to prove that his advice won't get you killed.
 
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volmanbill said:
Actually, he does. He needs to prove that his advice won't get you killed.
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and just because he was in the british special forces his methods will get the average person with no knowledge of the outdoors, killed.
 
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volmanbill said:
Because Bear has a crew with him filming and has actually had his butt saved by them.

Les is alone. If he screws up he's toast.
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has les ever climb everest? how fake was it when bear did that? i'm pretty sure that there are no hotels on the side of everest.
 
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volmanbill said:
Actually, he does. He needs to prove that his advice won't get you killed.
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If anyone is watching either Man vs. Wild or Survivorman for anything other than entertainment value, then they probably deserve to die if they then head to the great outdoors to test that "advice".

Bear does his show for the money. I will easily admit that. He knows better than anyone else that his show is nothing more than a television program.

Given the choice between whom I would choose to follow, though, I would choose a former SAS operator every single time.

Aside from CAG, SAS has the most strenous selection process in the world.
 
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thagodfather said:
has les ever climb everest? how fake was it when bear did that? i'm pretty sure that there are no hotels on the side of everest.
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Not sure how your statement relates to mine.

Ever heard of base camps and helicopters? I don't pretend to know where Bear sleeps. I do know that he isn't having to survive as if he was actually in trouble.
 
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therealUT said:
If anyone is watching either Man vs. Wild or Survivorman for anything other than entertainment value, then they probably deserve to die if they then head to the great outdoors to test that "advice".

Bear does his show for the money. I will easily admit that. He knows better than anyone else that his show is nothing more than a television program.

Given the choice between whom I would choose to follow, though, I would choose a former SAS operator every single time.

Aside from CAG, SAS has the most strenous selection process in the world.
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I see what you're saying. It's ok to distort reality for ratings.

And quite frankly I could give a rat's ass if he was in the SAS or the Boy Scouts. At least the Boy Scouts are American.
 
#40
#40
if you have 30,000 dollars and can prove that you can function at 23,000 feet than anyone can climb everest. sherpas will even carry your gear for you. that is the only way up the mountain is through a private permitted guide. because of the deaths the guides must be cleared by respective governments to lead on the mountain. it is roped along the entire way to the top so the only factors to the top of everest are weather and physical ability of the paying climber. if bear had climbed k2, which is arguably one of the most difficult climbs in the world, than i would be impressed. a blind guy and a guy with fake legs climbed everest. not saying i could do it, but it is not as much of a feat as many other climbs in fact are.
 
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volmanbill said:
And quite frankly I could give a rat's ass if he was in the SAS or the Boy Scouts. At least the Boy Scouts are American.
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The SAS is what every other elite military unit strives to be. The SAS is the model that Colonel Beckwith studied in order to assemble CAG. Basically, the SAS makes our SF, and our boat teams (SEALs, who should stick to seaborne operations), look like Boy Scouts.
 
#43
#43
blupotato said:
i am glad this topic showed up because ever since man vs. wild first aired, i was against his tactics. i am an outdoor guide and outdoor educator and have spent years teaching and telling people to do the exact opposite of what man vs. wild tells. then we find out he stays in a hotel and has a camera crew. but the tip of the iceberg was when he did a desert survival show. it aired just a few weeks after i spent about 3 weeks myself in the exact same location. now let me lay down the setting. he is just outside moab, ut, in an area known as "potash." this is an area where most of the river guides put in for trips on the colorado river out of moab. it is roughly ten miles outside of town. by watching that episode i can tell that he stayed on one side of the river and stayed in a very small area. what keyed me into him being a fraud is at the end of the show he jumps in the river and acts like he is going to swim to the other side. well, if you have ever been to this area, there is a ranch that is shown when he jumps in the river. this ranch is very much against visitors and doesn't allow anyone, much less a camera crew on their property. so in the last part of the scene it shows him getting out of the water on the same side of the river that he jumped in. the key here is that he is located by one of the last homes on that side of the river (directly across from the ranch). so in short i am saying by my personal working experience and the fact that i have spent many days trolling along on that very stretch of river i can say without a doubt that man vs. wild jumped into the river and falsely states that he swims to the other side when he exits right where he jumps in.

now if you have not been there than that probably means nothing to you. but yes, he tries to make his show interesting, but if you follow his advice in the show you will die very quickly. if you ever believe that jumping into a cold river just before dark in a mountainous environment is the correct thing to do, then please die, because the world needs a few less idiots in the outdoors. survivorman may not have as interesting of a show, but he is the most intelligent out of the two. he has spent his entire life learning the survival craft.

i have included the youtube link to the portion of the episode for which i have described. first at about 2 mins and 50 secs in you can hear domesticated dogs from the house he is very close to. at about the 3 min 50 sec mark in the video you can see the ranch and the very recognizable windmill on the opposite side of the river from him. then at the end you will see the house that is on the same side of the river as the original shot where the dogs live and you notice no windmill. so he gets in, gets wet, then exits the water on the same side not actually swimming across the river at all. this guy is a fraud and an idiot.

YouTube - Man vs. Wild [S1E2] Moab Desert Part 5

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Sounds like....Survivor envy!

I'm not saying he hasn't staged situations.Nor do I dispute les was a better camper.

But for someone who has been trained since the age of three,as a "survivor"
I can attest to the acuracy of his statements.
For you to make the statement that you have been training people to do the dead opposite of what he is telling his audience.That his advice would kill them is ludicress.

Bear Grylls | International Speaker | Best selling Author | Everest Mountaineer
 
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orangeblooded2 said:
Sounds like....Survivor envy!

I'm not saying he hasn't staged situations.Nor do I dispute les was a better camper.

But for someone who has been trained since the age of three,as a "survivor"
I can attest to the acuracy of his statements.
For you to make the statement that you have been training people to do the dead opposite of what he is telling his audience.That his advice would kill them is ludicress.

Bear Grylls | International Speaker | Best selling Author | Everest Mountaineer
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Is that anything like watercress?
 
#45
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orangeblooded2 said:
Sounds like....Survivor envy!

I'm not saying he hasn't staged situations.Nor do I dispute les was a better camper.

But for someone who has been trained since the age of three,as a "survivor"
I can attest to the acuracy of his statements.
For you to make the statement that you have been training people to do the dead opposite of what he is telling his audience.That his advice would kill them is ludicress.

Bear Grylls | International Speaker | Best selling Author | Everest Mountaineer
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look man, i am not saying that he does not know what he is doing, because it is a tv show. but how often have you been in situations where people try to discredit your personal training and teaching methods because of what they saw on a tv show. i have been training and learning survival and proper techniques of outdoor travel since i was 6 years old. i don't doubt that he has extensive knowledge far surpassing what i have, and in no way am i trying to compare myself to him. i apologize if you took it that way. but i have seen people do stupid things trying to mimic a staged show and have even took part in rescuing some of these individuals. but i will stand by any and all statements and personal opinions for which i have on his techniques in the show. simply put, most people are not bear, and most people can not do what he does. but if they try to mimic him they will do more harm to themselves in an actual survival situation because they don't have the same knowledge.
 
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blupotato said:
look man, i am not saying that he does not know what he is doing, because it is a tv show. but how often have you been in situations where people try to discredit your personal training and teaching methods because of what they saw on a tv show. i have been training and learning survival and proper techniques of outdoor travel since i was 6 years old. i don't doubt that he has extensive knowledge far surpassing what i have, and in no way am i trying to compare myself to him. i apologize if you took it that way. but i have seen people do stupid things trying to mimic a staged show and have even took part in rescuing some of these individuals. but i will stand by any and all statements and personal opinions for which i have on his techniques in the show. simply put, most people are not bear, and most people can not do what he does. but if they try to mimic him they will do more harm to themselves in an actual survival situation because they don't have the same knowledge.
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You know,as do I.That in a survival situation,training plays only a part of were you survive or not.A lot of
the time it comes down to that person,instinct,will to survive and just plain old blind luck.Those who find themselves in the situations presented in either show
would have more training than average.For those who find the gray areas,people with little or no training in those show situations the odds are very,very low.

Unless,as pointed out,there's a motel six close by.
 
#47
#47
Les is the man. The ultimate badass. He is on my list of people to meet.

Bear is a....well, probably shouldn't speak my mind on this one.
 
#48
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orangeblooded2 said:
You know,as do I.That in a survival situation,training plays only a part of were you survive or not.A lot of
the time it comes down to that person,instinct,will to survive and just plain old blind luck.Those who find themselves in the situations presented in either show
would have more training than average.For those who find the gray areas,people with little or no training in those show situations the odds are very,very low.

Unless,as pointed out,there's a motel six close by.
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exactly. your spot on. both guys are extremely knowledgable, but a tv show can only tell you so much. but it certainly helps to have a solid base knowledge of the level of importance to place on how you first start going about surviving. you want to do everything possible to not put yourself in a bad spot to begin with. that can take your chances much further. that being said, what some people see on his show can misguide an individual and in fact put them in harm's way opposed to a positive situation. but it is just entertainment. but i agree with you entirely, a lot of it is luck. and by the way there is a really nice motel six in moab. but its people like this guy who are the real idiots who actually do survive. if you or anyone else reading this post has this book... please burn it.

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#49
#49
Since i posted this i guess i will comment.People will give Bear credit because he goes through more but really he doesn't, he has an unfair advantage compared to Les, Les actually is going out to the real places and surviving, Bear has an entire safety crew and camera crew with him and he doesn't even go to the places he claims he is. Bear isn't actually surviving he's just doing jack ass stunts for entertainment although some times he gives good tips it's just usually silly and unnecessary Les is for real and does normal stuff .For those that say Bear's show is more entertaining i see you're point, yet the more i watch Survivorman the more you feel in tune to the enviroment he is in,its much more of a real experiance, with Bear it just feels forced and faked.
 
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