Manning helping Leak

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#101
hatvol96 said:
No, I'm simply pointing out that the year after Mr. Statistics left, Tee Martin led a less talented team to a National Championship.
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The most impressive part was how Tee Martin VASTLY improved the defense from 1997 to 1998. Hat, your arguments are as stupid as they are old.
 
#102
#102
Vol423 said:
The most impressive part was how Tee Martin VASTLY improved the defense from 1997 to 1998. Hat, your arguments are as stupid as they are old.
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Your defense of Manning is as pathetic as it is predictable.
 
#103
#103
hatvol96 said:
No, I'm simply pointing out that the year after Mr. Statistics left, Tee Martin led a less talented team to a National Championship.
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In 1997, I believe that Mark Levine was the starting running back against Florida, before we realized that Jamal was the real deal.

Are you trying to say that Tee Martin had a less talented team with Jamal in the backfield, while Levine started the biggest game of the year before the SEC Championship Game?
 
#104
#104
Bobby Dodd said:
In 1997, I believe that Mark Levine was the starting running back against Florida, before we realized that Jamal was the real deal.

Are you trying to say that Tee Martin had a less talented team with Jamal in the backfield, while Levine started the biggest game of the year before the SEC Championship Game?
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Are you making the point I have many times? Peyton Manning never won anything without Jam, but Jam won an SEC/National Title and a Super Bowl without Sir Peyton of the Inflated Statistics?
 
#105
#105
hatvol96 said:
McNair has won an MVP. His team has had more playoff success than Manning's. This debate proves my point about Manning and his supporters. It's all about hollow, meaningless numbers. He's nothing more than a modern day Dan Fouts or Dan Marino. Manning is a numbers whore. McNair is a winner. Pure and simple.
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So is Eddie George better than Edgerrin James?
 
#106
#106
kptvol said:
So is Eddie George better than Edgerrin James?
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In a word, no. Further proof of McNair's leadership skills. For that matter, when did McNair have a receiver of the same caliber as Marvin Harrison? That's right, never.
 
#107
#107
hatvol96 said:
Are you making the point I have many times? Peyton Manning never won anything without Jam, but Jam won an SEC/National Title and a Super Bowl without Sir Peyton of the Inflated Statistics?
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Not at all, I was just saying that is crazy for you to suggest that Martin had a less talented team in 1998 and won a national championship. If Lewis had started the 1997 Florida game, Tennessee would have had better balance on offense, which could have won that game, and given Manning a national championship.

Tennessee's running game was nonexistent in that game, whereas, the 1998 Florida game had great running done by Lewis and Bryson.
 
#111
#111
Bobby Dodd said:
Not at all, I was just saying that is crazy for you to suggest that Martin had a less talented team in 1998 and won a national championship. If Lewis had started the 1997 Florida game, Tennessee would have had better balance on offense, which could have won that game, and given Manning a national championship.

Tennessee's running game was nonexistent in that game, whereas, the 1998 Florida game had great running done by Lewis and Bryson.
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Interesting that the Manningophiles try to say a team that lost two first round picks on defense was more talented. I guess Steve Johnson was better than Terry Fair and Leonard Little was easily replaced.
 
#112
#112
I have to disagree somewhat with Peyton being Mr. Statistics. To me, that implies that his chief concern is accumulating numbers. Although he has gotten some pretty outstanding statistics in his career, I don't think that is his main goal. He seemed fine with letting Addai and Rhodes run the ball yesterday against the Jets. He hardly had any passing attempts until near the end of the third quarter. Most of his passes were on third down. I think he's more focused on winning. He doesn't want to sling the ball all over the field any more than necessary.
 
#113
#113
hatvol96 said:
Interesting that the Manningophiles try to say a team that lost two first round picks on defense was more talented. I guess Steve Johnson was better than Terry Fair and Leonard Little was easily replaced.
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First of all, I never talked about the defensive side of the ball because Peyton never had control of that, so it shouldn't be part of the discussion. If you want to talk about defensive meltdowns, look at the 1995 Florida game when the Vols gave up 62 points. If the Vols had played better defense in that game, that would have been an undefeated season.

What I have tried to say, is that had the running game been there in the 1997 Florida game, that would have been another undefeated regular season for Manning as quarterback.

Also, that defense that lost two first round picks held the Gators to 17 points in 1998, when the one with Leonard and Terry gave up 33 the year before when Peyton was quarterback.
 
#114
#114
Bobby Dodd said:
First of all, I never talked about the defensive side of the ball because Peyton never had control of that, so it shouldn't be part of the discussion. If you want to talk about defensive meltdowns, look at the 1995 Florida game when the Vols gave up 62 points. If the Vols had played better defense in that game, that would have been an undefeated season.

What I have tried to say, is that had the running game been there in the 1997 Florida game, that would have been another undefeated regular season for Manning as quarterback.

Also, that defense that lost two first round picks held the Gators to 17 points in 1998, when the one with Leonard and Terry gave up 33 the year before when Peyton was quarterback.
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Well, they gave up 26. You're forgetting Captain QB Rating's touchdown pass to Tony George.
 
#115
#115
finevol said:
It was said during the Vols game this weekend that Archie Manning asked Leak to come to qb camp. Leak went to the camp and said that Peyton showed him some things and it really helped. ????????
That bothers me a little.
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It freakin bothers me!!! Where is his loyalty, Im really big on that.
 
#116
#116
hatvol96 said:
In a word, no. Further proof of McNair's leadership skills. For that matter, when did McNair have a receiver of the same caliber as Marvin Harrison? That's right, never.
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Derek Mason isn't too shabby. You can say what you want about Peyton, but I don't think there are more than 4 teams in the NFL that wouldn't trade their current QB for Manning right now. In fact, I bet Baltimore would give up Jamal and McNair for Manning. Not trying to knock Lewis or McNair, but I'm pretty sure Billick would rather have Peyton.
 
#117
#117
herksrus said:
It freakin bothers me!!! Where is his loyalty, Im really big on that.
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Please. Had Peyton denied Leak the opportunity, he would be getting dogged 24/7 for being a sore loser about something that happened 8 years ago. This is like saying a WWII veteran has lost his loyalty by cheering for Constantine Ritzmann
 
#119
#119
hatvol96 said:
Well, they gave up 26. You're forgetting Captain QB Rating's touchdown pass to Tony George.
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When Peyton was full-time starter, from 1995-1997, he only lost in the regular season to Florida (3 times), and Memphis State once.

Do you blame all three Florida losses on him, given what I have already said about the defense in 1995, and no running game in 1997?
 
#121
#121
Bobby Dodd said:
When Peyton was full-time starter, from 1995-1997, he only lost in the regular season to Florida (3 times), and Memphis State once.

Do you blame all three Florida losses on him, given what I have already said about the defense in 1995, and no running game in 1997?
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No, the only one I tag him with is the '97 game. '95 was a complete second half collapse by the entire team and Florida was simply better than UT in '96.
 
#122
#122
hatvol96 said:
No, the only one I tag him with is the '97 game. '95 was a complete second half collapse by the entire team and Florida was simply better than UT in '96.
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I can accept that. I thought you would blame all those games on him. What a nice surprise from hatevol.
 
#125
#125
hatvol96 said:
I have more money than I could spend in my lifetime. Also, fame would require me to deal with public, people like you. So, I wouldn't have any interest in that. It's not jealousy. I simply don't like them. Nice to see your bigotry showing through in your characterizations of Ray and Jam. I love how tough cyberspace cowboys like yourself are behind your keyboard. I'd pay 10 grand to see you refer to either of those guys as anything other than Mr. Lewis.
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Good. Then be Manning-like and send some my way.:birgits_giggle:
 
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