Manning Never Beat Florida

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08Vol said:
This highlights a really good point. UF’s DC during those 90s teams went on to be one of the top CFB coaches of the past 25 years or so. Our DC never progressed past that point. It is clear one coaching staff was much better than the other.
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Chavis never had any desire to be a head coach. Not really a fair comparison when one doesn't want to do it. Cutcliffe on the other hand made it very clear he wanted to be one.
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm in no way suggesting Nico will have a career anywhere close to Peyton's. I have not been in that camp. He's a freshman that has a lot of growing to do, but probably not as much as most of us professional and expert analyzers are suggesting. I think he's closer than we think.

He has beaten UF in his first ever match up against them and I like his way too early chances against them in the swamp next season. Hopefully UF somehow retains this turd of a coach and I really like UTs chances, but they could also be in year one of a new hire coach and in a hot mess with all that.....
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I said this the other day, but a Steve Spurrier Florida in the 90s is nothing like this Napier coached Florida today.
 
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madbamahater said:
Manning Freshman year (11 games):

89 completions
144 attempts
61.8 percentage
1141 yards
11 touchdowns
6 interceptions


Iiamaleava Freshman year (through 6 games):

94 completions
143 attempts
65.7 percentage
1219 yards
7 touchdowns
3 interceptions
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Peyton was in for 3 plays (no passes) against UCLA, did not play against UGA, and was in for 15 plays (3 of 5 passing) against Florida. Not really fair to use those games, especially if you're going to disregard the 5 games Nico played in last year.
 
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LittleVol said:
The same supporting cast in 1998 was there in 1997.

Manning couldn’t break down the defense with his legs.

Tee could. And he was able to hit Price for a TD. Our defense was salty in 1998, but it was arguably more talented in 1997

It’s a team game, but we seriously don’t need to give Manning a pass for going 0-4 vs Florida.
We give him credit for ending the streak against Bama do we not?

No reason to make excuses. Just like there’s no reason to make excuses that Nico is holding this team back at the moment.
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“Hit” is not the word I’d use to describe that TD pass to Price. If there had been armed duck hunters there, it would’ve been shot down.

The he difference between the 98 game and the 3 (not 4) that Manning “lost” was the defense. Tee threw for 65 yards that day. And that’s with the threat of Jamal running the ball, which Manning never had against Florida.

Tee is the perfect example of why it’s dumb to credit QBs with wins and championships. And yes, that includes crediting Manning for beating Bama.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Cost him the Heisman to. ESPN used that in their campaign he didn't deserve it. Forgot his name now but a DB from Mich won it with ESPN's backing.
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Yep, Fulmer and Cutcliffe thought Jamal Lewis didnt know the protection schemes well enough so they played Mark Levine rather than Jamal, one of only 7 NFL rbs to gain 2,000 yards in a season.

I would have thought about the second or third time we handed the ball to Jamal on a draw or a screen pass that would have pretty much slowed the pass rush down.

And Shazamm, JL learned the protection schemes well enough to gain about 150 yards against Ole Miss the next week and 200 against UGA the week after that.
 
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utvolpj said:
Manning was 0-3. Let's not pretend Tee was very good in the 98 UF game either
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madbamahater said:
Manning Freshman year (11 games):

89 completions
144 attempts
61.8 percentage
1141 yards
11 touchdowns
6 interceptions


Iiamaleava Freshman year (through 6 games):

94 completions
143 attempts
65.7 percentage
1219 yards
7 touchdowns
3 interceptions
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Where both True Freshman stats.
 
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LittleVol said:
The same supporting cast in 1998 was there in 1997.

Manning couldn’t break down the defense with his legs.

Tee could. And he was able to hit Price for a TD. Our defense was salty in 1998, but it was arguably more talented in 1997

It’s a team game, but we seriously don’t need to give Manning a pass for going 0-4 vs Florida.
We give him credit for ending the streak against Bama do we not?

No reason to make excuses. Just like there’s no reason to make excuses that Nico is holding this team back at the moment.
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Who the h--l is making excuses for a game played 30 years ago? Tee didn't exactly light up UF the next year either. They had better Jimmy's and Joe's and usually that team wins the game..
 
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NighthawkVol said:
“Hit” is not the word I’d use to describe that TD pass to Price. If there had been armed duck hunters there, it would’ve been shot down.

The he difference between the 98 game and the 3 (not 4) that Manning “lost” was the defense. Tee threw for 65 yards that day. And that’s with the threat of Jamal running the ball, which Manning never had against Florida.

Tee is the perfect example of why it’s dumb to credit QBs with wins and championships. And yes, that includes crediting Manning for beating Bama.
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Exactly!
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm in no way suggesting Nico will have a career anywhere close to Peyton's. I have not been in that camp. He's a freshman that has a lot of growing to do, but probably not as much as most of us professional and expert analyzers are suggesting. I think he's closer than we think.

He has beaten UF in his first ever match up against them and I like his way too early chances against them in the swamp next season. Hopefully UF somehow retains this turd of a coach and I really like UTs chances, but they could also be in year one of a new hire coach and in a hot mess with all that.....
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Most of that was Florida averaging almost 50 points per game. we scored enough points to win if the offense could stop them from scoring. remember 3rd down Chaves.
Pmarav23 said:
Manning is also way better than Nico.
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Not as a Freshman
 
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NighthawkVol said:
It was talented, but Spurrier did what he wanted to Chavis until 1998. Even in that game, Florida moved the ball up and down the field, but we kept causing them to turn it over. And Al Wilson.
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To be fair Spurrier did what he wanted to just about every defensive coordinator.
 
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I’ve never understood the meaningful won/lost statistic of a QB.
It‘s a relatively new concept initiated by some statistical loving sports writer.
It was probably meant to relate to the W/L records of baseball pitchers, but
those two are apples and oranges. A baseball pitcher can completely control
and determine the outcome of a game. If the opponent cannot score against
him, he cannot be credited with a loss. A QB can only help determine how much
his team scores. If the defense gives up more points ( which happens a lot and
was also the problem with Manning vs UF ) he is now unjustly pinned with a loss.
 
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utvolpj said:
Manning was 0-3. Let's not pretend Tee was very good in the 98 UF game either
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But they still win with him at QB.

I love Peyton. I love Tee. They’re both Vols.

Why is it that so many of you all want to make excuses for Peyton not being able to ever beat Florida, but then won’t give Tee credit for beating them in his 1st year?

Tee led them to 13-0

The real question is would Peyton have led the 1998 team to 13-0?

Nobody is saying Tee is better than Peyton. But it’s a FACT that Tee Martin did beat Florida.

It sickens me that (and we know what it is) that Vol fans do this…
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Most of that was Florida averaging almost 50 points per game. we scored enough points to win if the offense could stop them from scoring. remember 3rd down Chaves.

Not as a Freshman
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Actually at the same age. Manning was a true Sophomore. Nico is a red shirt freshman. Only thing Nico has over him is running...that's it. Manning was more accurate, read defenses better, has all the intangible s.
 
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