Markeith Ambles is TEARING it up and has left USC (merged)

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SGMVols said:
It's amazing to me how many people here throw around the word troll without having any idea what the Hell it means.
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One of our best posters going way back is a Gator. It may be part of a Vols board, but this section is much more open to fans of other schools, Vol fans won't find much in the way of preferential treatment here.

If somebody can't handle it, then deal. Stick to the other parts of the forum.
 
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droski said:
i'd say the character development program is a reaction to the bar brawl and the stupid robbery. as for your article it's an easy way to make excuses when you aren't bringing in the big talent. the best character guys on your team are the hardest workers who many times are the highest rated guys. why? because they worked their arse off to get there. i'd love an example of a 5 star guy dooley stopped recruiting.
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I tend to be a bit of an optimist in this department. I'll take a flyer on nearly any player if he can ball. What I don't buy into is the Urban Meyer school of disciplinary action. The cops book you with something serious, you're gone. Cheat/skip classes etc., you're gone. Second chances might be deserved in some cases, but keep things honest.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Just to let everyone know, there is a huge RUMOR over on VQ that Ambles is transfering to Tennessee & he has already sent papers to go through. Dont shoot the messenger but this guy is suppose to be on the money. He called Arnett, Couch, & Da'Rick all to UT months before they happened.
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HAH i just heard the same rumor, could be some truth to it. I wouldn't be against it. as long as he can spell "Vols" in a tweet that is.:loco:
 
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jmoore_21 said:
Just to let everyone know, there is a huge RUMOR over on VQ that Ambles is transfering to Tennessee & he has already sent papers to go through. Dont shoot the messenger but this guy is suppose to be on the money. He called Arnett, Couch, & Da'Rick all to UT months before they happened.
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El V strikes again?
 
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why would any Tennessee fan want Ambles back at this point? he talked so much **** to Vol fans after national signing day..hes gonna be a cancer wherever he ends up
 
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SGMVols said:
There is no correlation at all between a player's talent and the risk of him getting in trouble on a college campus. When will people stop posting this kind of idiocy?
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I never said that there is a direct correlation between talent level and a kid's character. If you keep imagining that people are saying that when they have not, then it will likely never end for you, SGM.

There are undoubtedly high character/high talent guys and there are undoubtedly low character/moderate talent guys. No correlation there, I agree. But the low character/moderate talent guys are not really at issue.

Why? Because if a staff recognizes that a guy represents a relatively high risk and low/lower reward to a program, then he never gets a sniff of a scholarship at a top level D1 program. The issue of correctly balancing character to talent is only really relevant at the top talent levels to a team like UT, because they don't need to take any significant risks with the guys that are not outstanding character guys at the moderate talent levels. So, the average 3 star guy doesn't have higher character, but the typical 3 star guy that a top-level program will offer a scholarship to better have his off-field life in order.

So, let's say (sake of argument) that 25% of all recruits have character problems and that isn't influenced by talent level (your premise, which I agree with). If there are 50 five stars, 150 four stars, and 750 three stars nationally, then there are about 13 five stars, 38 four stars, and 189 three stars that represent higher character-based risks.

To a program like UT, you eliminate ALL 189 three stars, because their talent isn't high enough to offset the risk and there are plenty of other guys at that talent level to choose from. Those guys go play for Memphis or ULaLa, or somebody. But, as a top program who needs outstanding talnet, you may not be willing to eliminate all 13 five stars and 38 four stars - you might be willing to lower the bar on character for some of them. That's where the character vs. talent balance is relevant.

If a top level program is having as many on-campus character problems (relative to overall numbers) from 3 star level recruits as from 5 star level recruits, then they aren't doing their homework right. With that said, it is an imperfect process, and there will always be exceptions.
 
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droski said:
once again. please list the 5 star player that dooley stopped recruiting. thanks much.
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I didn't say that it's happend in the past, I said that he would not pursue just any five star guy, regardless of character concerns. 'Did not' would have meant in the past.

So, you now seem to be looking for a public announcement from Dooley that he's not offering a scholarship to a particular player because of character concerns? Please quit wasting our time with nonsense. Coaches do not announce that they are not pusuing a particular guy because of character concerns and I would hope that you know that.

Bottom line is that I say that Dooley more fully considers character than many coaches and I think that is sensible and can be good for UT so long as a careful balance is struck. You seem to be saying that Dooley and Kiffin and pretty much all coaches are pretty much the same with regard to a recruits character and that it doesn't really matter at all anyway.

People can form their own opinions based on the arguments we've made.
 
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anyone arguing dooley, or any other coach who wants a prayer of a national title, would turn down an ambles or dillon baxter type talent is absolutely smoking dope. he's saying what you boys want to hear since you are so butt hurt over kiffin. he's playing to his audience.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
no average message board fan would have that type of inside info whether it's complete BS or actually fact. thanks.
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bs. the second dooley stopped recruiting a 5 star guy it would make this board and any other message board of a fanbase that gave a crap. i can list you half a dozen guys cal had stopped recruiting over character issues. none are 5 stars btw.
 
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not at all sarcastic. we don't know all the inner detail of any school's recruiting. for all we know the cal bears or ut may have been in the hunt in the past, without the public's knowledge, for a top shelf guy only to back off. schools have those stunning, "i didn't even know they/we were in it for that guy' signings every february. i think the recruiting services do a pretty solid job of reporting, but because it's not public info we'll never know the whole story.
 
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droski said:
anyone arguing dooley, or any other coach who wants a prayer of a national title, would turn down an ambles or dillon baxter type talent is absolutely smoking dope. he's saying what you boys want to hear since you are so butt hurt over kiffin. he's playing to his audience.
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I get your point and agree for the most part, but I am pretty sure there were several programs that pulled back on Ambles pretty early and either made his offer non-comittable or pulled it all together. I know UGA was one and I think that UF did the same.
 
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urban meyer pulled away from ambles because of character issues? give me a break. everyone wanted that kid.
 
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again, you don't know the coach's opinions on the guy. just because rivals had him #2 doesn't mean a particular staff equally valued him.
 
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JokermanVol said:
again, you don't know the coach's opinions on the guy. just because rivals had him #2 doesn't mean a particular staff equally valued him.
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i know he was offered by every major program in the country. dooley woudl have washed ambles balls to get him to come to tenn.
 
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you don't know who did or didn't offer him, only what rivals or scout reports. i agree on the ball washing though.
 
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