Martin, Golden, and Motivation

#26
#26
BruinVol said:
Golden has been poorly coached. Either motivation or development from a physical aspect has been an issue. Martin has failed miserably in making him a consistent player.
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Because of Golden's size he has to play point because there is no one else. Again Golden is a decent player, but to run the point is not something you just coach a guy too play when he really is a off guard. Golden lacks lateral quickness and doesn't always make good decisions with the ball. If he were 6'7" or taller he would make a great Forward. I disagree with you regarding CCM's coaching of Golden. It's not like he could move him to another position. I believe injuries have slowed him some, but he has come back and played two good games.
 
#27
#27
BruinVol said:
The bottom line is this team cannot achieve anywhere near its potential without golden being a leading player.
Martin hasn't found a way to make him that type of player. That failure falls clearly on martins shoulders!
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So the improvements of Stokes, Richardson, and McRae fall on Martin's shoulders too, right?
 
#29
#29
First ten games: 13.2 ppg 4.9 apg 1.7 tpg 39%/30.7%/76.6% along with 6.0 free throws per game and 10 FGA per game

Since the Xavier game, when he injured his shoulder (before or during the game), so his last six:

Last six games: 6.8 ppg 3.8 apg 2.5 tpg 31.7%/9%/71.4% along with 3.5 free throws per game and 6.8 FGA per game.

Now, before the Xavier game, he had eight double digit scoring games...only once since then. His minutes have gone down (about six per game), but I noticed the lack of free throw attempts and then the three point percentage dip.

I think the shoulder definitely was hurting. And despite what he thought, he's slightly increasing the turnovers.

I thought Golden played very well this past game, and hopefully he continues. UT was 7-3 before his shoulder injury...they are 2-4 since he got hurt.
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Maybe Golden's injury resulted in his worse play?
 
#31
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BruinVol said:
The bottom line is this team cannot achieve anywhere near its potential without golden being a leading player.
Martin hasn't found a way to make him that type of player. That failure falls clearly on martins shoulders!
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Wrong again. It's the coaches responsibility to train and prepare you to compete. Caches put you in a position to succeed. Golden has to share in the responsibility of executing what he has learned and making that success happen. If he makes poor decisions, misses a shot or has a turnover that falls on him in not executing his skills. His inconsistencies are not on the Coach when they have prepared him.
 
#32
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zjcvols said:
Maybe Golden's injury resulted in his worse play?
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That's certainly the million dollar question. Golden has been quoted as saying he will have to play the rest of the year injured. Hasn't stopped him the past 2 games
 
#33
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BruinVol said:
No doubt. He deserves credit for those guys. They haven't been benched either
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Because they haven't deserved to be benched.

Golden was sucking and hurting the team and properly deserved to be brought off the bench. Sadly, that was a result of his injury, which before he was playing pretty well. Something you fail to realize.
 
#34
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SlyStone said:
Wrong again. It's the coaches responsibility to train and prepare you to compete. Caches put you in a position to succeed. Golden has to share in the responsibility of executing what he has learned and making that success happen. If he makes poor decisions, misses a shot or has a turnover that falls on him in not executing his skills. His inconsistencies are not on the Coach when they have prepared him.
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BS!

Coaches get paid to get players to perform up to their potential. If players don't do so then the coach failed. Good coaches fail sometimes.
 
#35
#35
BruinVol said:
The bottom line is this team cannot achieve anywhere near its potential without golden being a leading player.
Martin hasn't found a way to make him that type of player. That failure falls clearly on martins shoulders!
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Cmon really? sometime a player has to take resonsibility for his own play. How has CCM done coaching Jarnell huh?
 
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#36
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zjcvols said:
Because they haven't deserved to be benched.

Golden was sucking and hurting the team and properly deserved to be brought off the bench. Sadly, that was a result of his injury, which before he was playing pretty well. Something you fail to realize.
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Like I said the injury is hard to understand. IMO it's been more of an excuse than anything since he said Saturday that he will be playing injured the rest of the year
 
#38
#38
BruinVol said:
Like I said the injury is hard to understand. IMO it's been more of an excuse than anything since he said Saturday that he will be playing injured the rest of the year
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Just ten minutes ago you said Martin has failed with Golden miserably, even though pre-injury Golden was having a better year than last year, and then you say "Well it might be the injury, but it's just an excuse".

You are just making **** up as you go now.
 
#40
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zjcvols said:
Just ten minutes ago you said Martin has failed with Golden miserably, even though pre-injury Golden was having a better year than last year, and then you say "Well it might be the injury, but it's just an excuse".

You are just making **** up as you go now.
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I have said I don't think the injury has been a big factor in his poor play. I certainly don't know other than what I heard him say in an interview. Saturday he said he would be playing injured the rest of the year. The 2 games since that statement have been his best.
 
#43
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BruinVol said:
I have said I don't think the injury has been a big factor in his poor play. I certainly don't know other than what I heard him say in an interview. Saturday he said he would be playing injured the rest of the year. The 2 games since that statement have been his best.
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He's played better. He still shot 4-12 tonight.
 
#44
#44
zjcvols said:
He's played better. He still shot 4-12 tonight.
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He ran the team. He made some mistakes tonight but he is clearly the best option. He has had enough success to be able to play thru tough times. Martin hasn't given him that boost of confidence. If injury was the issue he shouldn't have played at all.
 
#46
#46
BruinVol said:
He's got to show me he knows how to develop one. So far not close
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Whose he gonna develop? Like i said Trae is not a PG IMO and neither is Armani Moore, so what PG has he had to develop? He said today he tells Trae to just try to score and run the offense not get 10 assists because if he does hell just turn the ball over like we have seen.
 
#47
#47
This thread is right up there with "fire Martin" and "who's a bigger bust". VN never disappoints.
 
#48
#48
BruinVol said:
He's got to show me he knows how to develop one. So far not close
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You're really reaching and making assumptions with all this. For all you know Golden has been having off the court issues this year. These are kids with lives outside of basketball. Also, you're trying to lump two different injuries into one category. There is absolutely no way for you to know that his shoulder wasn't hindering his play a lot more than his hamstring is now.

Finally, Golden is not a natural PG. He's never been consistently great at it, but he is also by far the best option we have. Golden is going to have a ceiling to how far he can progress at PG, and he may be close to hitting it already. This is more of an indictment of CCM's PG recruiting than his coaching.
 
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zansdad said:
This thread is right up there with "fire Martin" and "who's a bigger bust". VN never disappoints.
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I have never suggested that martin should be fired or isn't going to be a successful coach here. Only pointing out that his use of bench to get his teaching point across has cost us games. IMO martin must evolve into a coach that get his coaching points across in other more effective ways. We can't win without golden on the floor.
 
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