Martin, Golden, and Motivation

[zansdad]

No? Link?

I think maybe he is talking about this comment;

" Outside of mending his hamstring, it was his mind. This is probably the first time in his mind he had struggles."

That's from the Tennessee basketball twitter feed. I'm not sure how you jump from that comment to "fragile minded" but hey some people just like to stake out the low ground.

 

[whobethis16]

Read from twitter that he said golden not only had a hamstring injury but a mind problem.

Exactly the point of creating this thread.

Mind problem doesn't necessarily mean he's fragile minded. It could've been a sick parent or grandparent, any type of depression, etc. He could take all the yelling and such in the world, but still not do well. Doesn't mean he is weak minded. He has bounced back from a benching extremely well twice now.

 

[BruinVol]

I think maybe he is talking about this comment;

" Outside of mending his hamstring, it was his mind. This is probably the first time in his mind he had struggles."

That's from the Tennessee basketball twitter feed. I'm not sure how you jump from that comment to "fragile minded" but hey some people just like to stake out the low ground.

"It was his mind"


Isn't an admission he is having to play physiologist as a coach????

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Read from twitter that he said golden not only had a hamstring injury but a mind problem.

Exactly the point of creating this thread.

Lmao so he couldn't have been having girl issues or something? Mind issues solely means he couldn't handle being benched? Ok.


He got benched...has since played the best 3 game stretch of his career. Call it a coincidence if you want.

Hall got benched and then came out and played the best game of his life Saturday...pure coincidence.

 

[BruinVol]

Lmao so he couldn't have been having girl issues or something? Mind issues solely means he couldn't handle being benched? Ok.


He got benched...has since played the best 3 game stretch of his career. Call it a coincidence if you want.

Hall got benched and then came out and played the best game of his life Saturday...pure coincidence.

Having to bench players means your practice structure isn't getting the teaching point across. It means there has been failures in other teaching opportunities. That must improve if we want to be good enough to have a better than 100rpi at the end of every January.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Having to bench players means your practice structure isn't getting the teaching point across. It means there has been failures in other teaching opportunities. That must improve if we want to be good enough to have a better than 100rpi at the end of every January.

Wow ok.

I don't even know how to respond...so you're questioning every great college coach, they've all benched players? Hell Cal benched Goodwin and Harrow Saturday.

Florida's RPI is just fine, but iirc boynton and wilbekin have both been benched during the year.

 

[whobethis16]

Having to bench players means your practice structure isn't getting the teaching point across. It means there has been failures in other teaching opportunities. That must improve if we want to be good enough to have a better than 100rpi at the end of every January.

Or it means that there could've been an injury or sickness that wasn't addressed, or a broken team rule, or (when benched during a game) the player doesn't do as he's told, etc. It could be any number of things.

 

[BruinVol]

Wow ok.

I don't even know how to respond...so you're questioning every great college coach, they've all benched players? Hell Cal benched Goodwin and Harrow Saturday.

Great coaches don't have teams that vastly underachiever for 2/3 of seasons. Sure they get their teams peaking at the end but their bad valleys aren't anywhere as close to As low as both years have been for martin.

 

[phantomvol]

it's called coaching,plain and simple

 

[zansdad]

"It was his mind"


Isn't an admission he is having to play physiologist as a coach????

What is your point? First you said Martin should bench him. Then it was Golden is fragile minded. Now it's Martin admitting he has to play "physiologist" (I am going to give you the auto-correct benefit of the doubt here. I think your looking for psychiatrist).

The fact is coaches bench players. Players either respond or they don't. That's the bottom line. Did you notice that Calipari also benched players this Saturday? His players did not respond. You win some. You lose some. You lose some by 30 points (couldn't help myself there). I also noticed Edwards had a heck of little game for himself after soaking up so much time on the pine.

Personally I hope Martin can find a few more 'fragile minded" guys like Golden that play through injuries, respond to coaching well, stay out of trouble, and lead their teams to 30 point drubbings of the Wildcats in TBA. :salute:

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Great coaches don't have teams that vastly underachiever for 2/3 of seasons. Sure they get their teams peaking at the end but their bad valleys aren't anywhere as close to As low as both years have been for martin.

You keep turning this different ways. You said he shouldn't bench golden he's fragile minded...Martin benched him and golden is now playing the best basketball of his life...not sure how you can continue to question his decision.

Agree to disagree I guess.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Personally I hope Martin can find a few more 'fragile minded" guys like Golden that play through injuries, respond to coaching well, stay out of trouble, and lead their teams to 30 point drubbings of the Wildcats in TBA. :salute:

I'll take a few of those as well please!

 

[BruinVol]

I'll take a few of those as well please!

I will take a few of those for the duration of a season. We wouldn't be 14-10 if golden played to his potential on a consistent basis. It's the coaches job to make that happen for more than 1/3 of a season.

 

[whobethis16]

I will take a few of those for the duration of a season. We wouldn't be 14-10 if golden played to his potential on a consistent basis. It's the coaches job to make that happen for more than 1/3 of a season.

My god, he's improved Richardson, Hall, McRae, Chievous, Yemi, Reese, and yes, Golden, as is evident from how well Golden can play. But when, for whatever reason, one falters, Martin can't coach. He just beat Kentucky worse than Pearl and Mears ever did. And it can be said that even without Noel, that team is better than some of the KY teams Pearl played. Let the man run his team how he sees fit.

 

[BruinVol]

You keep turning this different ways. You said he shouldn't bench golden he's fragile minded....

Benching a player that has issues in the mind( which martin admitted today) can often do more harm than good. IMO that happened with golden thus the reason he played poorly longer than any good player should in a slump.

 

[zansdad]

I will take a few of those for the duration of a season. We wouldn't be 14-10 if golden played to his potential on a consistent basis. It's the coaches job to make that happen for more than 1/3 of a season.

Okay, fine!!! What would you have done to correct the situation? Since benching Golden is off the table in your eyes, what else was Martin supposed to do? Coach harder? Show Golden more film? I truly am waiting for your words of enlightenment.

 

[BruinVol]

My god, he's improved Richardson, Hall, McRae, Chievous, Yemi, Reese, and yes, Golden, as is evident from how well Golden can play. But when, for whatever reason, one falters, Martin can't coach. He just beat Kentucky worse than Pearl and Mears ever did. And it can be said that even without Noel, that team is better than some of the KY teams Pearl played. Let the man run his team how he sees fit.

Would it be fair to discuss how martin can get more out of his teams in the first 2/3 of his seasons???


I like martin and support him but that will change if next season at the end of January we have an rpi of higher than 100 which is exactly what has happened his first 2 years.

 

[whobethis16]

Benching a player that has issues in the mind( which martin admitted today) can often do more harm than good. IMO that happened with golden thus the reason he played poorly longer than any good player should in a slump.

So, what would you have been saying if he kept him in and they kept losing due to his turnovers? Or what about McBee? Everyone wanted him benched because of his slump.

 

[BruinVol]

Okay, fine!!! What would you have done to correct the situation? Since benching Golden is off the table in your eyes, what else was Martin supposed to do? Coach harder? Show Golden more film? I truly am waiting for your words of enlightenment.

Obviously I don't know how golden was handled other than his results prove he wasn't handled correctly for the first 2/3 of the season. Coaches have to evolve and hopefully martin will know how to push the right buttons with golden sooner next year.

 

[BruinVol]

So, what would you have been saying if he kept him in and they kept losing due to his turnovers? Or what about McBee? Everyone wanted him benched because of his slump.

Different players should be treated differently. Some can handle what others can't.

 

[zansdad]

Benching a player that has issues in the mind( which martin admitted today) can often do more harm than good. IMO that happened with golden thus the reason he played poorly longer than any good player should in a slump.

Golden played bad and then was benched. Not the other way around. The longer this goes on the longer it feels like you're just trolling. Your argument changes from post to post, your facts are incorrect, and you are arguing against a coaching technique that EVERY COACH at a competitive level uses to motivate his players.

I think I am going to move on.

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[zansdad]

Would it be fair to discuss how martin can get more out of his teams in the first 2/3 of his seasons???


I like martin and support him but that will change if next season at the end of January we have an rpi of higher than 100 which is exactly what has happened his first 2 years.

Yes this would be a fair discussion. But this has nothing to do with the benching of Golden

 

[BruinVol]

Yes this would be a fair discussion. But this has nothing to do with the benching of Golden

It does in the sense that benching a player is usually the last thing a coach can pull out of his bag of tricks. The benching issue I have really is more of an indictment of the failures that took place before that last ditch effort.

 

[whobethis16]

Different players should be treated differently. Some can handle what others can't.

I agree, however, I would venture a guess that Martin knows how to handle his players a helluva lot better than any of us on this board. I'm sorry, I like Golden a lot, but Martin has an obligation to the rest of the players and the university to do what he feels is best in order to win (within the rules and cleanly).

 

[zansdad]

Obviously I don't know how golden was handled other than his results prove he wasn't handled correctly for the first 2/3 of the season. Coaches have to evolve and hopefully martin will know how to push the right buttons with golden sooner next year.

You're full on trolling now. I really am done this time.

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