Martin Was Recommended By Houston and Grunfeld

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#26
I don't see why someone would want a guy who's best days are behind him over a young coach with a lot to prove.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok, this hire maybe a great one in the end, but to sit here and act like Martin is somehow a better coach than Byrd is right now, is just absurd. I'm good with Martin being our coach, but don't sit here and try and trash a coach who has won 600 games in his career. Most coaches never get that far.
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Byrd does an excellent job coaching at Belmont. However, his 600 wins are not all at the D1 level and he has never won an NCAA game in all his experience and years coaching. Is Martin a better hire for UT than Byrd would have been-----Absolutely! Not trashing Byrd in any way. Just that he is where he needs to be and can retire with an impressive coaching record that Belmont can be proud of, without ever winning a post-season game.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I've consistently said he wouldn't have a prayer of making it in a BCS League. I would venture to say that the vast, vast majority of BCS League schools would take Martin 10 times out of 10 over Rick Byrd.
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Of course they would, because he's one of the flavor of the month coaches. I'm behind Coach Martin 100%, but I can't sit here and applaud the hire as much as others do. I really hope he wins here, because that's what everyone wants, I'm just cautiously optimistic, and the key word being cautiously.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Of course they would, because he's one of the flavor of the month coaches. I'm behind Coach Martin 100%, but I can't sit here and applaud the hire as much as others do. I really hope he wins here, because that's what everyone wants, I'm just cautiously optimistic, and the key word being cautiously.
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Pretty sure he's not "a flavor of the month" coach.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Of course they would, because he's one of the flavor of the month coaches. I'm behind Coach Martin 100%, but I can't sit here and applaud the hire as much as others do. I really hope he wins here, because that's what everyone wants, I'm just cautiously optimistic, and the key word being cautiously.
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Martin is a flavor of the month coach, yet half the board is foaming at the mouth and shatting themselves because he is a "no name" that they hadn't heard of before yesterday.


How is Byrd going to recruit at an SEC level? Is he going to go down to Atlanta and quote bible verses? Promise to not break a hip in the next four years?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Most coaches that have halfway successful seasons in mid-major conferences are at this time of year, especially regarding coaching changes.
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Flavor of the month coaches are coaches like Shaka Smart, who make a run. It's kinda hard to be a "flavor of the month" coach when a lot of people haven't even heard of you, and you had to build your program up.
 
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IPorange said:
Martin is a flavor of the month coach, yet half the board is foaming at the mouth and shatting themselves because he is a "no name" that they hadn't heard of before yesterday.


How is Byrd going to recruit at an SEC level? Is he going to go down to Atlanta and quote bible verses? Promise to not break a hip in the next four years?
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We all asked ourselves how Pearl was going to do it 6 years ago, and he did it. So, why is it automatically impossible for Byrd to do it?? I'm not even sure that Martin can do it right now, but we are obviously going to see. Maybe Martin will be our basketball equivalent to Dooley. If he is, I'm really good with that.
 
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LawVol13 said:
No, he's not. Shaka Smart is a flavor of the month hire. Hell, half the board had never even heard of Martin before we announced he's our coach.
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IPorange said:
Martin is a flavor of the month coach, yet half the board is foaming at the mouth and shatting themselves because he is a "no name" that they hadn't heard of before yesterday.
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not true. I had heard of him by March 24th

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-basketball/125735-cuonzo-martin-missouri-st.html
 
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shaka smart is the flavor of the month that isn't coming off the menu anytime soon. the guy can obviously coach.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We all asked ourselves how Pearl was going to do it 6 years ago, and he did it. So, why is it automatically impossible for Byrd to do it?? I'm not even sure that Martin can do it right now, but we are obviously going to see. Maybe Martin will be our basketball equivalent to Dooley. If he is, I'm really good with that.
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Pearl and Martin both have had a good reputation when it came to recruiting players, Byrd doesn't. People look at the Thomas scandal when Pearl was at BC, but they forget he was one of their top recruiters. Martin was the top recruiter for both Keady and Painter as well. Not hard to see the difference.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok, this hire maybe a great one in the end, but to sit here and act like Martin is somehow a better coach than Byrd is right now, is just absurd. I'm good with Martin being our coach, but don't sit here and try and trash a coach who has won 600 games in his career. Most coaches never get that far.
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A better coach, perhaps not. A better prospect, obviously yes. He's proven recruiting ability at a big time level; Byrd has not. Byrd has built a great program at Belmont, but Martin has taken a bigger program in a better league to a pretty remarkable turnaround. He's already gone farther in the NIT than Byrd ever has (neither have made it past the first round of the NCAA Tournament).

Byrd has a lot more question marks concerning a move to a higher level, that's just the way it is. If he moves to the MVC and wins titles, he'll get more looks. But people don't know how A-sun will translate to the SEC.

Also, are you aware of Grunfeld's track record? In our last three searches, he's recommended Bill Self (Oral Roberts), Jay Wright (Hofstra), and Bruce Pearl (Whiskey Mill). Ernie is always right.
 
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LawVol13 said:
No, he's not. Shaka Smart is a flavor of the month hire. Hell, half the board had never even heard of Martin before we announced he's our coach.
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In regards to what the committee looked at, I'm sure he was. If they don't have that game against Indiana State on ESPN, or play us tough this season, Martin will pretty much go unnoticed by us.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
We all asked ourselves how Pearl was going to do it 6 years ago, and he did it. So, why is it automatically impossible for Byrd to do it?? I'm not even sure that Martin can do it right now, but we are obviously going to see. Maybe Martin will be our basketball equivalent to Dooley. If he is, I'm really good with that.
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It's automatically impossible because we didn't hire Byrd. You brought up Byrd as being a superior hire, in your mind. Looking at their relative career arcs, that's indefensibly, --no-- offensively, stupid. Martin may flame out in three years, but Byrd is a known quantity at this point. Martin shows promise and has potential for growth. If we hired Byrd, we could expect NIT/borderline NCAA teams, and never really competing for an SEC championship. With Martin, we may have picked up a great coach early in his career.
 
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JokermanVol said:
skaka smart is the flavor of the month that isn't coming off the menu anytime soon. the guy can obviously coach.
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If he could coach, then why did his team just barely (and probably shouldn't have) make the tournament? His players, most recruited by Grant, were motivated by the media, got on a hot streak and have made the final 4.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
In regards to what the committee looked at, I'm sure he was. If they don't have that game against Indiana State on ESPN, or play us tough this season, Martin will pretty much go unnoticed by us.
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basketball people know coaches. Fans not recognizing the name means squat

I doubt Grunfeld and Houston just happened on his team a couple times on ESPN and added his name to the list
 
#49
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Rick Byrd has never bear anyone good, ANYONE.. Has a lot of wins under his belt. Did not want. This will be a good hire..
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IPorange said:
It's automatically impossible because we didn't hire Byrd. You brought up Byrd as being a superior hire, in your mind. Looking at their relative career arcs, that's indefensibly, no offensively, stupid. Martin may flame out in three years, but Byrd is a known quantity at this point. Martin shows promise and has potential for growth. If we hired Byrd, we could expect NIT/borderline NCAA teams, and never really competing for an SEC championship. With Martin, we may have picked up a great coach early in his career.
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So, your just assuming we would lose, just like I'm assuming we would win. Seems to me like a lot of people are assuming with Martin as well, especially with just 3 years experience as a HC.
 
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