Martin Was Recommended By Houston and Grunfeld

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You got any proof they had prior to that?? What is the background with Houston and Ernie, in regards to hiring Martin??
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You are the one saying they didn't know him, so do you got any proof? If you think someone respected in the profession like Grunfield, who has recommended other coaches that ended up being stars, just pulls them out of thin air because he watched his team vs. Indiana St., then there is no way to convince you otherwise.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You got any proof they had prior to that?? What is the background with Houston and Ernie, in regards to hiring Martin??
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This is even more ludicrous than the debate about what Lawrence Frank would tell prospective recruits while he's in the NBA Playoffs.
 
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utvolpj said:
if you're looking for a pic of the 3 together then no one has one and you win. However if you're arguing that players, coaches and GM's don't know other basketball people then you're mistaken.
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I just want to know how they know him as all, and why they gave him such a great reference in regards to the job. Did they get it from film, other coaches and players talking, TV?? I don't know, and I would like to.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just want to know how they know him as all, and why they gave him such a great reference in regards to the job. Did they get it from film, other coaches and players talking, TV?? I don't know, and I would like to.
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then do some research on their background and see where they cross. Like hat said, gm's do scout college since it's where their players come from. To assume they never met is a little ridiculous

And that wasn't your point to begin with.
 
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tvols75 said:
Paul Hewitt agrees that all it takes is a lucky run to prove you're a great coach.
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so you're saying taking a 3 seed with a nba point guard to the final four is the same as taking an 11 seed with probably zero nba guys to the final four? i mean, i know there were lots of talking heads who called 2004 gt "one of the worst tourney teams ever" and all.
 
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utvolpj said:
then do some research on their background and see where they cross. Like hat said, gm's do scout college since it's where their players come from. To assume they never met is a little ridiculous

And that wasn't your point to begin with.
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Fair enough, but is it just indirect contact, is it a friendship, what is it?? I don't have direct access to NBA scouts or GM's, so someone with knowledge of the situation would be nice to hear.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That's funny. You were claiming less than 10 minutes ago that you thought they based their opinion solely off of watching one game against UT and one game on ESPN.
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I'm assuming just like everyone else. There are a lot of people assuming this will be a good hire, and it very well may be, but no one knows for sure, and I'm just looking for a little more background information.
 
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LawVol13 said:
That's funny. You were claiming less than 10 minutes ago that you thought they based their opinion solely off of watching one game against UT and one game on ESPN.
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Both of which Martin lost, making him the ultimate hot name.
 
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JokermanVol said:
so you're saying taking a 3 seed with a nba point guard to the final four is the same as taking an 11 seed with probably zero nba guys to the final four that the talking heads claimed to be "one of the worst tourney teams ever".
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I think he's saying that by simply making the Final Four made many people talk about how great Hewitt was and he was ultimately not very good. Shaka Smart has obviously been terrific in this tourney. He wasn't terrific during the regular season and wasn't last year either. That's why people are skeptical and think this run is a fluke.
 
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Incipient said:
Both of which Martin lost, making him the ultimate hot name.
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I remember Bob and Bert on the radio before that game, saying to not sleep on these guys because they were well coached. That's the only background info I have on Martin, other than what's on Wiki and Google.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I think he's saying that by simply making the Final Four made many people talk about how great Hewitt was and he was ultimately not very good. Shaka Smart has obviously been terrific in this tourney. He wasn't terrific during the regular season and wasn't last year either. That's why people are skeptical and think this run is a fluke.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have yet to see what Smart can do without Grant's players, right??
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we have yet to see what Smart can do without Grant's players, right??
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That's correct. What Martin has done in building Missouri State is significantly more impressive than what Smart has done outside of this 5 game stretch.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I think he's saying that by simply making the Final Four made many people talk about how great Hewitt was and he was ultimately not very good. Shaka Smart has obviously been terrific in this tourney. He wasn't terrific during the regular season and wasn't last year either. That's why people are skeptical and think this run is a fluke.
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and that's completely disregarding his circumstance. there's a world of difference between gt and vcu, and there's a world of difference between gt's 2004 roster and vcu's 2011 roster.

the paul hewitt reference is one of those lame universial go-to's. anyone can blindly point to him and make somebody else out to be a fluke, as long as you blindly ignore that one coached at a major conference school and the other coached at a school where 95 percent of the population couldn't tell you where it's located.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I remember Bob and Bert on the radio before that game, saying to not sleep on these guys because they were well coached. That's the only background info I have on Martin, other than what's on Wiki and Google.
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I don't know a lot about them, but the Purdue guys all love him (and want him back if Painter leaves), he was a big recruiter as an assistant, and his team has had a 12 game turnaround in conference play in two years. Their overall record had a 13 game turnaround in one year. Those are all things that make the hire look good. And Ernie Grunfeld knows way more about basketball than I do; given his track record, I trust his judgment.
 
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JokermanVol said:
shaka smart is the flavor of the month that isn't coming off the menu anytime soon. the guy can obviously coach.
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That remains to be seen. His team has caught fire and got EVERY break, from great teams playing bad to loose balls bouncing their way at every instance. That's what you need sometimes to advance in tournaments. The NCAA tournament isn't about the best team winning, but crowing a tournament champion. As many times as not, the best team does not win it. Smartt had an OK regular season and is living off what Grant built. He is, far and away, a flavor of the month. I will be interested in seeing what he does in a power conference.

I would rather have Martin
 
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JokermanVol said:
shaka smart is the flavor of the month that isn't coming off the menu anytime soon. the guy can obviously coach.
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It isn't coaching that has gotten his team to make more threes in 3 separate tourney games than they made in any game all season. It was coaching that lost them their conference by hoisting boatloads of threes.
 
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they've got them lucky bounces for weeks now and that's landed them in the final four, not the media's coaching. noted.
 
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Incipient said:
I don't know a lot about them, but the Purdue guys all love him (and want him back if Painter leaves), he was a big recruiter as an assistant, and his team has had a 12 game turnaround in conference play in two years. Their overall record had a 13 game turnaround in one year. Those are all things that make the hire look good. And Ernie Grunfeld knows way more about basketball than I do; given his track record, I trust his judgment.
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Ernie obviously has UT's best interest in mind here, and there is no denying that.
 
#99
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PD2UT said:
I'm just glad that we invested all that money with the consulting firm to aid in our search only to get the advice of Houston. Up and coming mid major coaches are a dime a dozen. Don't get me wrong I'm not bashing Martin, but did we need to spend that money on hiring a lesser known coaching candidate? Seems like a waste to me.

Also, UT being a state university, does anyone know how the payment for the consulting firm was funded? Privately through boosters, or through the athletic department?
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Do you know what a search/consulting firm does?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It isn't coaching that has gotten his team to make more threes in 3 separate tourney games than they made in any game all season. It was coaching that lost them their conference by hoisting boatloads of threes.
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had they shot over 46% in that tourney (like they have in 3 games of the NCAA) they would have won.
 
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