Marxist Black Lives Matter

[C-south]

I agree! I wish the system would see it the same way.

How does it not?

 

[C-south]

I just wish I could send your employer some of your “sarcasm“

I somewhat empathize with those who are victims of their own ignorance, lawlessness, etc. It diminishes a lot when something is done to attempt to fix it and it’s viewed as racist.

 

[TNVOLNAVY]

It does sound like a personal problem. You should join the rest of the country. It’s ok to have empathy.

Sorry to disappoint but I ran out of empathy back in 1965.

 

[OHvol40]

Really ? How many kids today or their parents know how to raise or acquire their own food if the grocery stores suddenly go empty? How many can perform a routine tune up on the automobile they drive or fix a simple problem on it if their iPhone quits working ? I would argue that it absolutely correlates and is even a larger problem then believing in god or going to church .

Those are life skills. I think we need to define intellectualism.

 

[1972 Grad]

Sorry to disappoint but I ran out of empathy back in 1965.

How does that line up with the Watts riots timewise?

 

[Electric Orange]

The Truth About Critical Race Theory

 

[0nelilreb]

Those are life skills. I think we need to define intellectualism.

Those are knowledge based . It’s hard to claim they are just life skills when you literally have all the knowledge in the world at your fingertips but would rather watch 60 second Tik Tok videos and tweet out how uneducated others are . Having the ability to have everything done for you makes us lazy and dumber as a whole .

 

[OHvol40]

Those are knowledge based . It’s hard to claim they are just life skills when you literally have all the knowledge in the world at your fingertips but would rather watch 60 second Tik Tok videos and tweet out how uneducated others are . Having the ability to have everything done for you makes us lazy and dumber as a whole .

We’re talking about two different things brother.
in·tel·lec·tu·al·ism
noun

1. the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions.
   • PHILOSOPHY
     the theory that knowledge is wholly or mainly derived from pure reason; rationalism.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

No...you are trying to narrowly define intellectualism to make it only include things that require ONLY thought or knowledge gained from a textbook. That isn't intellectualism on its own. This disconnect and all those folks thinking Joe the plumber is a dumbass until they have to pay him $200 just to SHOW UP because they can't even plunge a damn toilet are a BIG part of the problem...and why yall are having this discussion.

It takes intelligence and knowledge to tune up a vehicle. How and how much to gap those spark plugs? How tight is tight enough, without it breaking off in the block next time change is due? What are the 2 numbers for viscosity on a quart of oil? What MUST you do before putting a new filter on, in order to ever get it back off by yourself? How do you change the wires, or serpentine belt? What about the air filter and cabin air filter? Where are those always located? ( behind the dash, near the heater coil) have you never done a real tune up? Can you see that it takes actual knowledge and intellect to not severely damage the vehicle? That is 1....1 task. I can name dozens and dozens that kids today on average have absolutely NO IDEA how to do. They never put down their damn phones long enough to learn...they think youtube will teach them how to do anything. That isn't true though. They can be helpful...but usually are not thorough, sometimes are just plain wrong or skip important steps, and certainly are not available for every make and model....nor every manly task a man needs to know how to do.

That's not even getting into trades, which have been all but abandoned by Americans...or even home improvement and maintenance stuff that requires thought. Nearly any task or job that needs done requires knowledge in order to be done correctly, and that makes all but very basic things a portion of intellectualism.

His point is that all these kids aren't ignorant because they go to church with Mom and Dad...millions are ignorant of anything that isn't either in a textbook or on social media because that is ALL they ever do. Ever. Many of these young adults are graduating college and living with Mom and Dad, even though unemployment was at RECORD lows...not because they cannot get a job, but because they are helpless and have zero life skills or social skills...they are helpless. Also, many of them got a useless degree in philosophy or some liberal arts degree, and have no marketable skill whatsoever. They end up making coffee or waiting tables, or leeching off of mom and dad.

The elitist clowns would call those same kids with a liberal arts degree and absolutely zero marketable skills besides learning to make coffee "educated"....but we know that little Johnny that graduated HS with a "C" average, then went to Com. College and got his welders certification is actually the one who is "educated" and he's making $60k a year to start while little Larry Liberal arts is making $20k serving coffee at Starbucks.

 

[AM64]

I’d still rather be the party of the educated.

You are associated with the party of the indoctrinated. A degree that allows one to carry on stimulating intellectual discussions with fellow sales clerks and burger flippers doesn't really mean much in the world. There could be a better than even mix of the liberal type in research - often funded primarily by grants and government infusion of funds. I don't think you'll find the same mix at all in sciences like engineering.

 

[AM64]

It strikes me that we've got another resident idiot that can't even follow his own logic to its conclusion.

Republicans are supposed to be the 'minority' yet also responsible for the 'majority' instituting a 'system of racism'.

And like you said- all these places where these police incidences happen are longtime blue shitholes.

Obviously the uneducated, minority, Republican rabble has managed to somehow overachieve and systemically enslave the more educated majority party. Boggles the mind, but there it is.

 

[C-south]

You are associated with the party of the indoctrinated. A degree that allows one to carry on stimulating intellectual discussions with fellow sales clerks and burger flippers doesn't really mean much in the world. There could be a better than even mix of the liberal type in research - often funded primarily by grants and government infusion of funds. I don't think you'll find the same mix at all in sciences like engineering.

Their professors told them they were intellectual, critical thinkers, educated, etc, and they would know because all they could ever do is stay where they’re at and “teach”.

 

[AM64]

You don’t need a degree to have an education. Mike Rowe is more intelligent than most PhD holders. Hell, Dale Earnhardt, Sr. didn’t even have a high school diploma but he created a multi-million dollar business.

But don't you see "that's different". Besides you know full well that Dale didn't build that business. If the government hadn't built roads, we'd have no cars; and without cars Dale couldn't have built his business empire. Therefore, the government did it all just as the great zip said.

 

[OHvol40]

No...you are trying to narrowly define intellectualism to make it only include things that require ONLY thought or knowledge gained from a textbook. That isn't intellectualism on its own. This disconnect and all those folks thinking Joe the plumber is a dumbass until they have to pay him $200 just to SHOW UP because they can't even plunge a damn toilet are a BIG part of the problem...and why yall are having this discussion.

It takes intelligence and knowledge to tune up a vehicle. How and how much to gap those spark plugs? How tight is tight enough, without it breaking off in the block next time change is due? What are the 2 numbers for viscosity on a quart of oil? What MUST you do before putting a new filter on, in order to ever get it back off by yourself? How do you change the wires, or serpentine belt? What about the air filter and cabin air filter? Where are those always located? ( behind the dash, near the heater coil) have you never done a real tune up? Can you see that it takes actual knowledge and intellect to not severely damage the vehicle? That is 1....1 task. I can name dozens and dozens that kids today on average have absolutely NO IDEA how to do. They never put down their damn phones long enough to learn...they think youtube will teach them how to do anything. That isn't true though. They can be helpful...but usually are not thorough, sometimes are just plain wrong or skip important steps, and certainly are not available for every make and model....nor every manly task a man needs to know how to do.

That's not even getting into trades, which have been all but abandoned by Americans...or even home improvement and maintenance stuff that requires thought. Nearly any task or job that needs done requires knowledge in order to be done correctly, and that makes all but very basic things a portion of intellectualism.

His point is that all these kids aren't ignorant because they go to church with Mom and Dad...millions are ignorant of anything that isn't either in a textbook or on social media because that is ALL they ever do. Ever. Many of these young adults are graduating college and living with Mom and Dad, even though unemployment was at RECORD lows...not because they cannot get a job, but because they are helpless and have zero life skills or social skills...they are helpless. Also, many of them got a useless degree in philosophy or some liberal arts degree, and have no marketable skill whatsoever. They end up making coffee or waiting tables, or leeching off of mom and dad.

The elitist clowns would call those same kids with a liberal arts degree and absolutely zero marketable skills besides learning to make coffee "educated"....but we know that little Johnny that graduated HS with a "C" average, then went to Com. College and got his welders certification is actually the one who is "educated" and he's making $60k a year to start while little Larry Liberal arts is making $20k serving coffee at Starbucks.

Lol good lord, you guys can’t grasp the concept that I’m not equating intellectualism to intelligence or capability.

Here is a good description to maybe help you grasp what I’m saying: “Intellectualism refers to related mental perspectives that emphasize the use, the development, and the exercise of the intellect; and also identifies the life of the mind of the intellectual person. In the field of philosophy, “intellectualism” is synonymous with rationalism, knowledge derived from reason.”


That literally has nothing to do with the difference between book learn’n and someone without traditional education. Nothing. That’s a completely different conversation.

The article I posted talked about the prevalence of Americans having a higher tendency than other people to believe in Creationism, that evolution isn’t real and climate change is a hoax. It’s a denial of science and a lot of it has to do with religious fundamentalism.

I’m pro Joe the plumber, so chill.

 

[AM64]

Says the guy whose solution to 'police brutality' is 'let's just end it'.

Either he's never heard the phrase "it takes two to tango" or refuses to see what plays out in video after video. I don't think any of us are going to help remove the blinders, though. Cops obviously just pull cars over at random at will because they don't like the looks of the driver, pull him or her out, and beat the crap out of innocents or just assassinate them for no reason at all. Obviously that's all that is going on, so there's no reason it can't just stop tomorrow.

 

[AM64]

How does that line up with the Watts riots timewise?

Same year - 1965. It's somewhat ironic that the Watts riots happened in 1965, and the civil rights act was signed into law in 1964.

 

[AM64]

We’re talking about two different things brother.
in·tel·lec·tu·al·ism
noun

1. the exercise of the intellect at the expense of the emotions.
   • PHILOSOPHY
     the theory that knowledge is wholly or mainly derived from pure reason; rationalism.

I just looked at an article by an apparently well recognized intellectual that claims there is no such thing as conscious thought. I really didn't care to wander through all his psychobabble because what I did read was not speaking to me. Most of my work life (and a lot of hobby time) has been about troubleshooting - the art of diagnosing and repairing electronic and mechanical equipment, for example. Somehow I had the impression that observing symptoms, considering how the system operates, and determining which components in the system might lead to the failure process was indeed thought that we accomplish willfully with a conscious mind. This is the kind of thing where many of us posting here are at odds with the "party of the educated" and the whole thing about "intellect", "skills", etc.

If it takes an educated intellectual thought process to come up with the theory that there is no such thing as conscious thought - a concept that flies in the face of people involved in the very rational thought process needed for diagnostics and analysis, then, yeah, I absolutely can devalue the intellectual's thoughts on "intellect" and "education". Some of the most common every day activities carried out by people repairing cars, plumbing, electronics, etc involve a lot more rational thought than trivial intellectual exercises at elevated educational levels.

 

[OHvol40]

I just looked at an article by an apparently well recognized intellectual that claims there is no such thing as conscious thought. I really didn't care to wander through all his psychobabble because what I did read was not speaking to me. Most of my work life (and a lot of hobby time) has been about troubleshooting - the art of diagnosing and repairing electronic and mechanical equipment, for example. Somehow I had the impression that observing symptoms, considering how the system operates, and determining which components in the system might lead to the failure process was indeed thought that we accomplish willfully with a conscious mind. This is the kind of thing where many of us posting here are at odds with the "party of the educated" and the whole thing about "intellect", "skills", etc.

If it takes an educated intellectual thought process to come up with the theory that there is no such thing as conscious thought - a concept that flies in the face of people involved in the very rational thought process needed for diagnostics and analysis, then, yeah, I absolutely can devalue the intellectual's thoughts on "intellect" and "education". Some of the most common every day activities carried out by people repairing cars, plumbing, electronics, etc involve a lot more rational thought than trivial intellectual exercises at elevated educational levels.

I don’t understand how I’m not being comprehended here. I’m NOT equating intellect to utility. I’m not talking about contemplation or anything close to that.

I understand what you’re saying. I’m saying that intellectualism, or, rationalism if you prefer (not intellect or education) is under attack in our society. The pragmatic, fact-driven people in the sciences including engineering, biology, medicine, climatology, etc are being discounted in our society. A theory is that it’s rooted to religious fundamentalism.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Lol good lord, you guys can’t grasp the concept that I’m not equating intellectualism to intelligence or capability.

Here is a good description to maybe help you grasp what I’m saying: “Intellectualism refers to related mental perspectives that emphasize the use, the development, and the exercise of the intellect; and also identifies the life of the mind of the intellectual person. In the field of philosophy, “intellectualism” is synonymous with rationalism, knowledge derived from reason.”


That literally has nothing to do with the difference between book learn’n and someone without traditional education. Nothing. That’s a completely different conversation.

The article I posted talked about the prevalence of Americans having a higher tendency than other people to believe in Creationism, that evolution isn’t real and climate change is a hoax. It’s a denial of science and a lot of it has to do with religious fundamentalism.

I’m pro Joe the plumber, so chill.

If I misunderstood you then I apologize. I thought you were saying something that apparently you weren't.

I refuse to get into this, as I have many times in years past ...but as a person who has attended a protestant church mostly 3 times a week since 2003, I can assure you that Christians don't have a problem with the theory of evolution...variation in species, micro, and even macro examples. We have a problem with abiogenesis .. and for good reason. There is no more reason to believe that all life came from rain washing proteins from rocks or meteors which magically sprung to life(accidentally mind you) than there is to believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Both have been observed, duplicated, etc the exact same number of times: zero. Despite God knows how many attempts in a lab with perfect conditions and every artificial stimuli at mans disposal, not 1 time has any living thing been produced from raw materials....even when what we believe are the necessary amino acids etc are purposely aligned as we think they should be (as if we were the Creator) and shocked, cooked, nuked, magnetized, frozen, you name it...no life. It angers me and those like me that abiogenesis is lumped in under what the left has made an "umbrella term" in evolution...in order to try and indoctrinate children to believe a very unlikely scenario as if it were true demonstrable science. It absolutely is not...when you abandon the scientific method, you leave science behind and move into conjecture, fiction, call it what you want. It isnt science though. Its SWAG.

Now, the Bible says we are to be good stewards of the Earth. So there is no religious reason for believers to choose not to follow the global warming pied pipers . I choose to be highly skeptical about it myself, I just read an article from a scientific publication the other day that said we are in a cooling trend and headed towards another ice age. For every study that says man has a huge impact on the temperature globally, I can post another study from a PhD saying the data in their study shows we have little to no effect. If you'd like....i can do a little Google foo in the morning and find the funny list of predictions from the 60s until now where for a couple decades they all said we were gonna freeze into an ice age....then it was a hole in the ozone was gonna kill us all ( I read its healed now, even tho China is producing 10x the ozone we ever did with our CFCs because of their sprayed insulation in construction) then it was global warming, Miami would be under water by 2000, then it was called Man Made global warming, then rhat didn't work so now its just Climate Change...and they are seriously starting to write articles now about global cooling and increasing polar ice caps on the way...

the reason for all the dumb predictions is simple: we have no idea. The sample size of our data is so infinitesimal compared to the age of the Earth that we have no idea what the climate will be like in 10 years...much less 50, 100, or 1000 . We simply don't know. Shoot, we cannot even predict the weather accurately more than 24 to 48 hours out, and that is all done by computers running simulation based on what has happened in the past under similar conditions. They are still wrong all the time.

Anyway, I rambled forever, but neither of the 2 things you mentioned are at odds with Christianity...evolution nor climate change. Abiogenesis is where the shark is jumped, and it takes just as much blind faith to believe that crap is where life accidentally came from, as it does to believe a Creator intentionally made life by His design.

 

[OHvol40]

If I misunderstood you then I apologize. I thought you were saying something that apparently you weren't.

I refuse to get into this, as I have many times in years past ...but as a person who has attended a protestant church mostly 3 times a week since 2003, I can assure you that Christians don't have a problem with the theory of evolution...variation in species, micro, and even macro examples. We have a problem with abiogenesis .. and for good reason. There is no more reason to believe that all life came from rain washing proteins from rocks or meteors which magically sprung to life(accidentally mind you) than there is to believe in the flying spaghetti monster. Both have been observed, duplicated, etc the exact same number of times: zero. Despite God knows how many attempts in a lab with perfect conditions and every artificial stimuli at mans disposal, not 1 time has any living thing been produced from raw materials....even when what we believe are the necessary amino acids etc are purposely aligned as we think they should be (as if we were the Creator) and shocked, cooked, nuked, magnetized, frozen, you name it...no life. It angers me and those like me that abiogenesis is lumped in under what the left has made an "umbrella term" in evolution...in order to try and indoctrinate children to believe a very unlikely scenario as if it were true demonstrable science. It absolutely is not...when you abandon the scientific method, you leave science behind and move into conjecture, fiction, call it what you want. It isnt science though. Its SWAG.

Now, the Bible says we are to be good stewards of the Earth. So there is no religious reason for believers to choose not to follow the global warming pied pipers . I choose to be highly skeptical about it myself, I just read an article from a scientific publication the other day that said we are in a cooling trend and headed towards another ice age. For every study that says man has a huge impact on the temperature globally, I can post another study from a PhD saying the data in their study shows we have little to no effect. If you'd like....i can do a little Google foo in the morning and find the funny list of predictions from the 60s until now where for a couple decades they all said we were gonna freeze into an ice age....then it was a hole in the ozone was gonna kill us all ( I read its healed now, even tho China is producing 10x the ozone we ever did with our CFCs because of their sprayed insulation in construction) then it was global warming, Miami would be under water by 2000, then it was called Man Made global warming, then rhat didn't work so now its just Climate Change...and they are seriously starting to write articles now about global cooling and increasing polar ice caps on the way...

the reason for all the dumb predictions is simple: we have no idea. The sample size of our data is so infinitesimal compared to the age of the Earth that we have no idea what the climate will be like in 10 years...much less 50, 100, or 1000 . We simply don't know. Shoot, we cannot even predict the weather accurately more than 24 to 48 hours out, and that is all done by computers running simulation based on what has happened in the past under similar conditions. They are still wrong all the time.

Anyway, I rambled forever, but neither of the 2 things you mentioned are at odds with Christianity...evolution nor climate change. Abiogenesis is where the shark is jumped, and it takes just as much blind faith to believe that crap is where life accidentally came from, as it does to believe a Creator intentionally made life by His design.

You’re right. As of today, abiogenesis is a theory. We could get into the weeds on specifics as to why or why not It is probable, but I’m likely not changing your mind and you’re not changing mine. If/when it’s ever proven either through experiment or discovery it will just be one less thing for Christianity to cling to in an attempt to be at odds with science. I’ve never heard of abiogenesis being taught as anything other than theory, though, so to act like it’s somehow dangerous to pose proposed scientific theories in educational settings is disingenuous.


As far as climate, you’re way off. Of course you’ll always find detractors and contrarians but you’ll never find a consensus as definitive and thorough as this put out by a collaboration the EPA, Dept of Commerce, DOD, Dept of Agriculture, Dept of Energy, HHS, Dept of the Interior, State Dept, DOT, NASA, NSF, The Smithsonian Institute, and US Agency of International Development:
Climate Science Special Report: Executive Summary


If you can credibly refute all of the evidence presented within, Ill be impressed.

Ice age? Likely not unless you live in Europe. Look at the latitude of Europe and compare it to similar latitudes in North America or Eurasia. It’s dramatically warmer than it’s global counterparts due to the Gulf Stream and other Atlantic oceanic currents. If those currents are disrupted by the melting polar ice, as evidence shows, then Paris won’t have the luxury of a comfortable moderate temperate climate, it would be more like Montreal. That whole scenario, though, is due to rising global temperatures and their complex consequences.

 

[goldenvol]

You’re right. As of today, abiogenesis is a theory. We could get into the weeds on specifics as to why or why it not is probable, but I’m likely not changing your mind and you’re not changing mine. If/when it’s ever proven either through experiment or discovery it will just be one less thing for Christianity to cling to in an attempt to be at odds with science. I’ve never heard of abiogenesis being taught as anything other than theory, though, so to act like it’s somehow dangerous to pose proposed scientific theories in educational settings is disingenuous.


As far as climate, you’re way off. Of course you’ll always find detractors and contrarians but you’ll never find a consensus as definitive and thorough as this put out by a collaboration the EPA, Dept of Commerce, DOD, Dept of Agriculture, Dept of Energy, HHS, Dept of the Interior, State Dept, DOT, NASA, NSF, The Smithsonian Institute, and US Agency of International Development:
Climate Science Special Report: Executive Summary


If you can credibly refute all of the evidence presented within, Ill be impressed.

Ice age? Likely not unless you live in Europe. Look at the latitude of Europe and compare it to similar latitudes in North America or Eurasia. It’s dramatically warmer than it’s global counterparts due to the Gulf Stream and other Atlantic oceanic currents. If those currents are disrupted by the melting polar ice, as evidence shows, then Paris won’t have the luxury of a comfortable moderate temperate climate, it would be more like Montreal. That whole scenario, though, is due to rising global temperatures and their complex consequences.

Without out going way down the rabbit hole explain where religious fundamentalism creates denial of climate change.

 

[OHvol40]

Without out going way down the rabbit hole explain where religious fundamentalism creates denial of climate change.

I never said it did specifically, rather the tendency to dismiss science and rational thought in general.

 

[goldenvol]

I never said it did specifically, rather the tendency to dismiss science and rational thought in general.

I'm going dumb down what you said so I'm taking some liberties with your statement.

Religious thinking people can't believe in man made climate change due to lacking the ability for rational thought.

Is that close to your line of thinking ?

 

[Y9 Vol]

I never said it did specifically, rather the tendency to dismiss science and rational thought in general.

Seriouly?

 

[newyorkvol]

I never said it did specifically, rather the tendency to dismiss science and rational thought in general.

Francis Collins might disagree with this statement.