Mashack and Dubar tonight

[Element01]

I am flattered that you would ask, me.

I don’t think there is necessarily a larger problem. Most of the more centered personalities on the forum and beat writers, tried to warn the more “volatile” among us there were SEC road losses out there waiting for even the cream of the conference this year.

The real issue, I believe, is our collective expectations had trended way up. Tough loss for sure, but most centered basketball fans noted the six Q1 victories Auburn already had in their back pocket, while we were only toting three.

This team still has room and potential to grow. I’ve never given up on my Vols, and doubt I ever will. Hope my perspective shared makes it a little easier to stomach the debacle we witnessed last night. Goodness gracious…

Thanks for being a fan! In all the years I have watched Coach Barnes teams, I have never seen the shots clank off the rims as hard as they did last night. I am hoping that their bad game was a shared experience and they will recover! I am also sure that Coach Barnes and staff will use this as a teaching learning experience! I will continue to support them as I believe they are a solid team. After all they did hold Florida to fewer points than their season average and that is a plus to me!

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Yep, one bad game means we are cooked for the season. Another poster that can't wait to crow about the first blemish of the year. Can't understand why this mindset is so popular.

Nice strawman. I never said we were necessarily cooked because we played one bad game.
I also wasn't just waiting " to crow about the first blemish of the year". I've made many posts praising team and players play this season.
What I said was in both of the SEC games we've played Shack and Dubar have given us essentially no offense. Moreover, if that continues we are going to be in some trouble during SEC play. For many obvious reasons.


I find it very strange that some of you one here pretend people that happen to critique play and numbers are essentially champing at the bit to bash the team..smh

It's a basketball forum. We discuss the players and team. When they have good games and when they have bad ones.
I mean what did you really expect, all the posts after the game to full of nothing but rainbows, butterflies, and praising every guy for how good they did? If so, you're not being very realistic.

I'm going to continue to make posts about players when they do good and when they do bad. If the latter bothers you, I'd suggest you just skip my posts.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Nice strawman. I never said we were necessarily cooked because we played one bad game.
I also wasn't just waiting " to crow about the first blemish of the year". I've made many posts praising team and players play this season.
What I said was in both of the SEC games we've played Shack and Dubar have given us essentially no offense. Moreover, if that continues we are going to be in some trouble during SEC play. For many obvious reasons.


I find it very strange that some of you one here pretend people that happen to critique play and numbers are essentially champing at the bit to bash the team..smh

It's a basketball forum. We discuss the players and team. When they have good games and when they have bad ones.
I mean what did you really expect, all the posts after the game to full of nothing but rainbows, butterflies, and praising every guy for how good they did? If so, you're not being very realistic.

I'm going to continue to make posts about players when they do good and when they do bad. If the latter bothers you, I'd suggest you just skip my posts.

You forgot something…

Civil conversation regarding the state of the team/game/player can be had. Unfortunately, there are many thin skinned up in here as well as those more interested in creating unrest among the regulars. They lurk, they wait, they pounce and find delight in the misery of the balance of the fanbase. …jmo.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Expecting a final for for this team is a bit much. Hoping and seeing it as something that could realistically happen? Sure. We only have 10 Scholarship players on roster. 1 is out for the season so 9. We were thin at the post BEFORE Estrella was lost. Phillips being dinged up did not help the situation. This is a team that cannot sustain serious injuries at pretty much any position except for wing. ZZ, Lanier and fill-in-the-blank post player goes down for any period of time we are boned. There is no player on our bench that should be starting and if thosep layers are having to start then it means we are playing their backup or playing another starter out of position. In this case Mashack having to play more minutes than normal in the post. This game we had to make up for 12-13 minutes of Cade in the post (he normally plays 16-17 mins a game) against a team with a lot of length.... it looks like the reply was to go small giving Gainey extra wing minutes and mashack more minutes in the post instead of on the wing. Mashack CAN guard 1-5 on switches...for short periods of time he ain't gonna hold up for extended periods against big bodies.

Florida got 80 minutes from 4 guys 6'8 or better. That combo produced 33 rebounds 25 points
Tennessee got 71 minutes for 4 guys over 6'4. Cade had 3 of those. That combo produced 16 rebounds 16 points

We got roasted in the post and we couldn't stop their bench. Their bench outscored ours 25-7. Its not even like they just ran over us offensively.. they shot 30% from 3 and under 40% from the field... our bench was 1-15. .we sat back and bricked jumpers instead of attacking inside... because size kills us.

Well, that's my expectations. I still think this team can and will make the final 4. Our defense is going to give us a really good chance of beating anyone. We actually were holding our own defensively last night for a large portion of that game. Problem is was what you said, settled for jumpers. Mashack is capable of taking it in. He percentages are much better there than from 3.
Dubar is certainly capable of taking it in, too.
As well as Igor. I think Igor surprises himself sometimes with how easy he get to the basket at times.
Their size definitely affects how you get inside but that doesn't mean you just abandon it all together when you play Flordia or a team like Flordia. When they come to knoxville wait and see if Barnes doesn't make getting to the basket a point of emphasis.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

A post complaining about Mashack's offense is akin to someone complaining about Dennis Rodman's offense with the Bulls in 96-98. Neither are out there to score. If Mashack's guy is averaging 19 and he holds him to 7, Mashack contributed +12 to the score in that way.

Not out there to be a big scorer, but some offense must be required of a starting shooting guard. He averages about 6. He needs to get that at least every night. Probably improve it to about 8 we're being honest. If he drove more he probably could get most of that at the foul line.

 

[chuckiepoo]

When they come to knoxville wait and see if Barnes doesn't make getting to the basket a point of emphasis.

He certainly seemed to to make it a point of emphasis over a large portion of the second half.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You forgot something…

Civil conversation regarding the state of the team/game/player can be had. Unfortunately, there are many thin skinned up in here as well as those more interested in creating unrest among the regulars. They lurk, they wait, they pounce and find delight in the misery of the balance of the fanbase. …jmo.

Yeah, if I would have just posted this


I wouldn't have had any problems.

 

[Volfan1000]

As much as I like Shack, these are garbage numbers and unacceptable.

Mashack and Ziegler and Gainey could return for next season according to the Volquest mailbag podcast today.

It depends on NIL money.

 

[CornbreadVol]

Not out there to be a big scorer, but some offense must be required of a starting shooting guard. He averages about 6. He needs to get that at least every night. Probably improve it to about 8 we're being honest. If he drove more he probably could get most of that at the foul line.

I’ve noticed that he gets into the lane pretty easy but seldomly looks at the basket. I would like for him to look for his shot more if I’m being honest. Only way to get out of a slump is to shoot out of it. Injured or not

 

[cncchris33]

Mashack and Ziegler and Gainey could return for next season according to the Volquest mailbag podcast today.

It depends on NIL money.

How? Unless the 5th year is passed prior to their eligibility expiring, there's no way for them to return that I'm aware of.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Mashack and Ziegler and Gainey could return for next season according to the Volquest mailbag podcast today.

It depends on NIL money.

Did you happen to accidentally watch the January 10, 2024 podcast?

 

[Volfan1000]

How? Unless the 5th year is passed prior to their eligibility expiring, there's no way for them to return that I'm aware of.

There has to be a Diego Pavia ruling for college basketball per Brent Hubbs on the mailbag podcast.

 

[Volfan1000]

Did you happen to accidentally watch the January 10, 2024 podcast?

Yes, I did watch that podcast.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

There has to be a Diego Pavia ruling for college basketball per Brent Hubbs on the mailbag podcast.

Mashack/ Ziegler have been here all four years ( no red shirt), and Gainey didn't transfer from a JUCO school, so I don't know what the Pavia ruling would have to do with any of them.
I don't see how any of them would have any potential eligibility left.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Mashack/ Ziegler have been here all four years ( no red shirt), and Gainey didn't transfer from a JUCO school, so I don't know what the Pavia ruling would have to do with any of them.
I don't see how any of them would have any potential eligibility left.

Pretty sure that ruling would apply across all sports. It would certainly be litigated if the ncaa thought otherwise.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Much better job by Mashack and Dubar last night.
3-6 6 pts
4-6 (* 3-5 from 3) 12 pts respectively.

18 pts combined. Barnes needs ro continue to get Dubar involved offensively ( more minutes)
and tell Mashack to take it to the basket more.
If these guys together can give us almost 20 points a night ( need 15 min.) we'll be in good shape as far as them offensively.

 

[cncchris33]

Much better job by Mashack and Dubar last night.
3-6 6 pts
4-6 (* 3-5 from 3) 12 pts respectively.

18 pts combined. Barnes needs ro continue to get Dubar involved offensively ( more minutes)
and tell Mashack to take it to the basket more.
If these guys together can give us almost 20 points a night ( need 15 min.) we'll be in good shape as far as them offensively.

Unfortunately, those two have only combined for 15 points twice in 11 games. It's probably not realistic for them to combine for that on average going forward unless the light really comes on all of a sudden for one or both.

More likely, and more realistic is Milicic starts finishing around the rim a little better and continues to improve his 3-pt shooting %, and Gainey is a little more more efficient shooting the ball.

At this point, anything Mashack gives you offensively has to be considered a bonus. Dubar has some room to pick up some slack there if he can up his defensive presence to not negate what he gives you on offense.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Unfortunately, those two have only combined for 15 points twice in 11 games. It's probably not realistic for them to combine for that on average going forward unless the light really comes on all of a sudden for one or both.

More likely, and more realistic is Milicic starts finishing around the rim a little better and continues to improve his 3-pt shooting %, and Gainey is a little more more efficient shooting the ball.

At this point, anything Mashack gives you offensively has to be considered a bonus. Dubar has some room to pick up some slack there if he can up his defensive presence to not negate what he gives you on offense.

I think it's very realistic. Mashack averages 6 and dubar averages 11. That's 17 points. Whether they can achieve it in SEC play (and more importantly on the road) it is a different story.
It's what we need to put ourselves in position to win, tho IMO.

 

[Chaz-Vol]

Unfortunately, those two have only combined for 15 points twice in 11 games. It's probably not realistic for them to combine for that on average going forward unless the light really comes on all of a sudden for one or both.

More likely, and more realistic is Milicic starts finishing around the rim a little better and continues to improve his 3-pt shooting %, and Gainey is a little more more efficient shooting the ball.

At this point, anything Mashack gives you offensively has to be considered a bonus. Dubar has some room to pick up some slack there if he can up his defensive presence to not negate what he gives you on offense.

Agree with Igor being a big piece for this offense to look smoother and more efficient. I'd say ZZ shooting ~33% from 3 is another big piece. Mashack was already not great as offensive player and now with his finger injury it's a tough watch. Gotta hope this Dubar performance is not a one hit wonder. Like when he played Duke last year he has the talent to put up these performances but seems to have mental lapses a lot.

 

[cncchris33]

I think it's very realistic. Mashack averages 6 and dubar averages 11. That's 17 points. Whether they can achieve it in SEC play (and more importantly on the road) it is a different story.
It's what we need to put ourselves in position to win, tho IMO.

Uhhh...what??? Where are you getting your numbers from?

Mashack average 5.4 ppg and Dubar averages 4.5 ppg. That's 9.9 ppg. In SEC play, it's 7 ppg.

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Unfortunately, those two have only combined for 15 points twice in 11 games. It's probably not realistic for them to combine for that on average going forward unless the light really comes on all of a sudden for one or both.

More likely, and more realistic is Milicic starts finishing around the rim a little better and continues to improve his 3-pt shooting %, and Gainey is a little more more efficient shooting the ball.

At this point, anything Mashack gives you offensively has to be considered a bonus. Dubar has some room to pick up some slack there if he can up his defensive presence to not negate what he gives you on offense.

Interestingly enough Meika responded to me on Twitter alluding to Jahmai not getting shooting rep's from 3 and, therefore, not being comfortable which was a continuation from a previous comment she made about Jahmai "following the gameplan". Not sure why we wouldn't want him repping his 3 pt shot.

 

[cncchris33]

Interestingly enough Meika responded to me on Twitter alluding to Jahmai not getting shooting rep's from 3 and, therefore, not being comfortable which was a continuation from a previous comment she made about Jahmai "following the gameplan". Not sure why we wouldn't want him repping his 3 pt shot.

Wonder if it's injury-related due to his finger?

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Agree with Igor being a big piece for this offense to look smoother and more efficient. I'd say ZZ shooting ~33% from 3 is another big piece. Mashack was already not great as offensive player and now with his finger injury it's a tough watch. Gotta hope this Dubar performance is not a one hit wonder. Like when he played Duke last year he has the talent to put up these performances but seems to have mental lapses a lot.

Agree 1,000% re: Igor and ZZ. Igor is and always has been the diff between a good and great season and I have been very focused on ZZ and Igor returning to their prior season form from the 3 pt line (34% and 38% respectively).

 

[MinisterofDef#92]

Wonder if it's injury-related due to his finger?

I wondered the same but isn't his injury on his non-shooting hand in which case more reps should be called for to get used to shooting with them taped imo.

Edit: Also, it seems she would have called out the injury (she has tweeted about it in the past) as being a factor in the coaches thought process.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Uhhh...what??? Where are you getting your numbers from?

Mashack average 5.4 ppg and Dubar averages 4.5 ppg. That's 9.9 ppg. In SEC play, it's 7 ppg.

My bad. I miseread. Game mins and ppg are right next to each other in stat sheet I was looking at.
Still think it is realistic. Shack can do 6 points a game and Dubar's average is down because he has had games where he didn't get very many minutes. That kills your average in respect to ppg. He just needs the minutes to get to 9-10 points. With our lack of depth, no way he ends up averaging 4.5 ppg by seasons end. 15 is still the goal. Very achieveable IMO.