Mass shootings in Maine

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hog88 said:
There were very few mass shootings prior to the AWB, numbers started ticking up before the ban expired. And to top it off what you would consider an assault weapon is seldom used in mass shootings. Handguns are overwhelmingly used more in mass shootings that rifles of any kind. Educate yourself on the subject before you try to debate it.

I do care about lives but nothing has been proposed that would stop or even slow down these mass shootings. It's the old "we gotta do something" attitude that leads to bad legislation and the erosion of law abiding citizens rights.
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I think the meaning of mass shouting needs to be looked at. This is different, at least in my mind, than the gang related shootings.
 
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turbovol said:
We have them now....This latest shooter had documented mental issues but most such people don't even get diagnosed much less treated. And there are huge numbers of such people, which is precisely why any sane nation would not make military-style weapons widely and easily available. It's a disgrace....though not to the rubes, of course.
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Many have been closed, the 2 large ones in Knoxville were closed years ago. What is a military style weapon? Most military style weapons i have seen are capable of firing rounds fully automatic, an AR-15 and the like do not have this option. I know it looks scary, but it is just another semi-automatic rifle. Get over yourself, you're comparing apples to oranges.
 
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Septic said:
One, I suspect that if those folks had a gun and murder was the goal - they wouldn't have wasted their energy beating someone to death. Two, I would have a much better chance at surviving a mass blunt force trauma rampage than one where a gunman has semi auto access to filled magazines in a target rich environment. You can tell I'm right because there's never been any such thing as a mass beating rampage committed by a lone homicidal maniac. Trying to connect the dots you are is a strawman.

I agree that people are the problem, but it's not JUST that they're crazy. It's maniacs with EASY access to high capacity instruments of death; the firearm advocates are going to have too admit that the maniacs aren't using throw cushions and bags of marshmallows to kill. They choose firearms for a very good reason, they are efficient for sending lead balls through the air accurately and rapidly.

Guns are protected, and they should be. But there are also 18 people in Maine who's right to Life was infringed. It's a multifaceted problem that's going to take compromise.
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So answer the question.

What should be illegal? You mentioned "semi auto." Are you suggesting that the government should outlaw semi-automatic firearms?
 
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Septic said:
One, I suspect that if those folks had a gun and murder was the goal - they wouldn't have wasted their energy beating someone to death. Two, I would have a much better chance at surviving a mass blunt force trauma rampage than one where a gunman has semi auto access to filled magazines in a target rich environment. You can tell I'm right because there's never been any such thing as a mass beating rampage committed by a lone homicidal maniac. Trying to connect the dots you are is a strawman.

I agree that people are the problem, but it's not JUST that they're crazy. It's maniacs with EASY access to high capacity instruments of death; the firearm advocates are going to have too admit that the maniacs aren't using throw cushions and bags of marshmallows to kill. They choose firearms for a very good reason, they are efficient for sending lead balls through the air accurately and rapidly.

Guns are protected, and they should be. But there are also 18 people in Maine who's right to Life was infringed. It's a multifaceted problem that's going to take compromise.
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Vehicles have been used in mass slaughter events, explosives as well. It's not the tools, it's the evil people.
 
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turbovol said:
Yes, and there are a million nut jobs in America, which is why you don't make it easy for them to buy assault rifles so they can shoot up schools and bowling alleys. It's called taking a sensible, pragmatic approach to mitigate a serious problem.
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That won't stop anything. Someone can grab a large vehicle and start mowing people down with it. You won't stop an evil mind....likely one that is on a psyche drug or pain killer.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So answer the question.

What should be illegal? You mentioned "semi auto." Are you suggesting that the government should outlaw semi-automatic firearms?
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Septic probably doesn’t fit into this camp. But I think when many leftist say “Common sense gun reform” what they have in mind is all out gun confiscation and if we are lucky, we can keep our muskets. Because they never say what they mean. Gay rights was never about what two people did in the privacy of the bedroom. It was always about ramming their lifestyle down your F’ing throats. Pride month? Naw, soon we will celebrate a Pride year and if you don’t, you will be forced to close your business. “Safe legal and rare” was never the goal on abortion. “On demand and without apology” was the goal.

We shouldn’t give an inch on this. Not one damn inch. Because the gun grabbers want miles!!! Many many miles and they won’t stop.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Septic probably doesn’t fit into this camp. But I think when many leftist say “Common sense gun reform” what they have in mind is all out gun confiscation and if we are lucky, we can keep our muskets. Because they never say what they mean. Gay rights was never about what two people did in the privacy of the bedroom. It was always about ramming their lifestyle down your F’ing throats. Pride month? Naw, soon we will celebrate a Pride year and if you don’t, you will be forced to close your business. “Safe legal and rare” was never the goal on abortion. “On demand and without apology” was the goal.

We shouldn’t give an inch on this. Not one damn inch. Because the gun grabbers want miles!!! Many many miles and they won’t stop.
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Bingo. That's why not one single person can give a reasonable and clear answer as to what they believe should be illegal.

All hat, no cattle.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
So answer the question.

What should be illegal? You mentioned "semi auto." Are you suggesting that the government should outlaw semi-automatic firearms?
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I'm not suggesting that anything should be illegal. I own lots of guns, probably more than most on this forum.

I mentioned 'semi auto' because muzzle loaders and muskets aren't being used to shoot up schools, churches, festivals, night clubs and bowling alleys.

It's disingenuous for gun rights activists to brush off half the equation in 'maniacal shooter', just as it is for the gun grabbers to focus solely on the instrument.
 
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So apparently the Maine shooter specifically targeted a deaf group at the bowling alley. He had recently been diagnosed with hearing loss as well, and he thought this group of deaf people had been speaking negatively about him.
 
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Septic said:
One, I suspect that if those folks had a gun and murder was the goal - they wouldn't have wasted their energy beating someone to death. Two, I would have a much better chance at surviving a mass blunt force trauma rampage than one where a gunman has semi auto access to filled magazines in a target rich environment. You can tell I'm right because there's never been any such thing as a mass beating rampage committed by a lone homicidal maniac. Trying to connect the dots you are is a strawman.

I agree that people are the problem, but it's not JUST that they're crazy. It's maniacs with EASY access to high capacity instruments of death; the firearm advocates are going to have too admit that the maniacs aren't using throw cushions and bags of marshmallows to kill. They choose firearms for a very good reason, they are efficient for sending lead balls through the air accurately and rapidly.

Guns are protected, and they should be. But there are also 18 people in Maine who's right to Life was infringed. It's a multifaceted problem that's going to take compromise.
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If guns are the problem why is the white homicide rate so low compared to the black homicide rate? White people own more guns, are less likely to be charged with a gun crime, and because of lower felony rates have greater legal access to guns.

So if the gun was the issue, shouldn’t the white homicide rate be really high?
 
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turbovol said:
Stupid comment. All of these mass shootings involved assault rifles. It's beyond obvious that assault rifles should be banned in America--and it's a national disgrace and embarrassment that they haven't been because we've got a large number of idiotic, irresponsible hicks in this country and their gutless, pathetic GOP representatives, who simply grift for NRA contributions. Weasels.
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Disagree.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Damn, you're dense. I am not believing his posts. I am saying information can be gleaned as to his beliefs by seeing his posts, who he follows etc.
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No, you're the one with a 2" think skull. My point is I don't trust any of them, none. You choose to believe the ones you deem credible. I don't believe any of them, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, all the way down to Joe blow on the street, none of them. They've all proved to be liars and make up news.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
No, you're the one with a 2" think skull. My point is I don't trust any of them, none. You choose to believe the ones you deem credible. I don't believe any of them, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, all the way down to Joe blow on the street, none of them. They've all proved to be liars and make up news.
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You are literally too stupid to argue with. Have a good day.
 
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turbovol said:
We should have very strict laws banning anyone with mental-health issues from owning or buying a gun. People receiving mental-health treatment should be put on a register preventing them from gun purchases--and any guns that they have should be confiscated. It would apply to anyone who has spent time in a mental-health facility or is on serious mental-health medication--meaning drugs beyond just the standard anti-depressants/anxiety drugs that millions of Americans take. America's gun culture is insane, insanely stupid, and insanely embarrassing. It's funny that America has long been considered an "advanced nation." We're a backward nation, mostly, because we have a lot of rubes and politicians representing rubes.

The advanced part of America is the top 20 percent. Then there's another 15-20 percent of sensible middle-class people with an education. And then the other 60 percent are uneducated idiots, many of whom like to play with guns.

Wasn't this guy just another "responsible gun owner" until yesterday? Ha, ha, ha.
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What’s the percentage of self proclaimed educated idiots like yourself?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
I do. A Remington 22 LR (66 nylon) that I inherited from my grandfather. It ain't much but I do shoot it regularly and it is locked and loaded. I'm probably ****ed against a shotgun but I'll take my chances. I really just have it in case something attacks my dog while he's outside. It's obviously not ideal for home defense. But can work in a pinch lol.
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Love my Nylon 66.
 
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We need to bring back hard labor camps. I mean HARD labor. Have them building roads etc. Have mandatory sentences for illegal possession of a firearm. Maybe 90 days first offense and then 1 year, then 5 years.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
For home defense close encounters, look into a 12 gauge mossberg. There are many different selections/styles and it won’t break the bank. Any intruder with a small amount of sense would think twice even if they only heard the pump.
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Love my 12 gauge Mossberg pump action.
 
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