Mass shootings in Maine

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Vol8188 said:
If guns are the problem why is the white homicide rate so low compared to the black homicide rate? White people own more guns, are less likely to be charged with a gun crime, and because of lower felony rates have greater legal access to guns.

So if the gun was the issue, shouldn’t the white homicide rate be really high?
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I said guns were part of the equation that has to be addressed, not the problem. If you can't keep up and address the words that I use instead of the words you'd wished I 'd used then we're done.

Leave it to you to try an obfuscate an already complex issue by introducing race and "homicide" rates.

As much as you and others may want to move the goal posts or introduce straw man arguments, crazy people and easy access to guns are both going to need to be addressed. Not one, not the other - but both. Savvy?

Sorry, nice try but I won't follow you down the race rabbit hole.
 
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Septic said:
I said guns were part of the equation that has to be addressed, not the problem. If you can't keep up and address the words that I use instead of the words you'd wished I 'd used then we're done.

Leave it to you to try an obfuscate an already complex issue by introducing race and "homicide" rates.

As much as you and others may want to move the goal posts or introduce straw man arguments, crazy people and easy access to guns are both going to need to be addressed. Not one, not the other - but both. Savvy?

Sorry, nice try but I won't follow you down the race rabbit hole.
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I read exactly what you said and it was blaming the guns. Specifically access to them. You then repeated that again here “crazy people and easy access to guns”.

Since you can’t ban crazy people, I’m assuming you’re more focused on limiting access to guns. Which leads us back to where we started. White people have greater access to guns, and lower homicide rates by a large margin.

When the racial disparity is as great as this, you have to introduce race into the conversation to have a real conversation about the solution.
 
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Septic said:
I'm not suggesting that anything should be illegal. I own lots of guns, probably more than most on this forum.

I mentioned 'semi auto' because muzzle loaders and muskets aren't being used to shoot up schools, churches, festivals, night clubs and bowling alleys.
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OK, thank you for clarifying.

As to the latter: limiting the civilian population to muzzle loaders and muskets in the modern era would obviously completely defeat the purpose of the 2A, so that is off the table.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Septic probably doesn’t fit into this camp. But I think when many leftist say “Common sense gun reform” what they have in mind is all out gun confiscation and if we are lucky, we can keep our muskets. Because they never say what they mean. Gay rights was never about what two people did in the privacy of the bedroom. It was always about ramming their lifestyle down your F’ing throats. Pride month? Naw, soon we will celebrate a Pride year and if you don’t, you will be forced to close your business. “Safe legal and rare” was never the goal on abortion. “On demand and without apology” was the goal.

We shouldn’t give an inch on this. Not one damn inch. Because the gun grabbers want miles!!! Many many miles and they won’t stop.
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Septic absolutely fits in that group. He's not a troll, I was completely wrong about him.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I read exactly what you said and it was blaming the guns. Specifically access to them. You then repeated that again here “crazy people and easy access to guns”.

Since you can’t ban crazy people, I’m assuming you’re more focused on limiting access to guns. Which leads us back to where we started. White people have greater access to guns, and lower homicide rates by a large margin.

When the racial disparity is as great as this, you have to introduce race into the conversation to have a real conversation about the solution.
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Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't following you down the racial rabbit hole?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
We need to bring back hard labor camps. I mean HARD labor. Have them building roads etc. Have mandatory sentences for illegal possession of a firearm. Maybe 90 days first offense and then 1 year, then 5 years.
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Harsh sentencing and mandatory minimums sure have worked in deterring illegal drugs.
 
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Septic said:
I said guns were part of the equation that has to be addressed, not the problem. If you can't keep up and address the words that I use instead of the words you'd wished I 'd used then we're done.

Leave it to you to try an obfuscate an already complex issue by introducing race and "homicide" rates.

As much as you and others may want to move the goal posts or introduce straw man arguments, crazy people and easy access to guns are both going to need to be addressed. Not one, not the other - but both. Savvy?

Sorry, nice try but I won't follow you down the race rabbit hole.
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How do you suggest the gun part of the equation be addressed?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
OK, thank you for clarifying.

As to the latter: limiting the civilian population to muzzle loaders and muskets in the modern era would obviously completely defeat the purpose of the 2A, so that is off the table.
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I wasn't suggesting limiting the population to muzzle loaders and muskets, you just asked why I used the term semi-auto. I'm not suggesting I have a solution or that access to firearms be limited. But before serious talks about how to curb mass shootings can begin, both sides need to recognize that two things are coming together. Crazy people and firearms.
 
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Septic said:
I wasn't suggesting limiting the population to muzzle loaders and muskets, you just asked why I used the term semi-auto. I'm not suggesting I have a solution or that access to firearms be limited. But before serious talks about how to curb mass shootings can begin, both sides need to recognize that two things are coming together. Crazy people and firearms.
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Crazy people had easier access to guns 40-50 years ago than they do now so that would suggest that there are more crazy people.
 
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hog88 said:
How do you suggest the gun part of the equation be addressed?
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I don't know. But I do know is when both sides refuse to budge, nothing will be solved.

Sadly, no one really cares that 18 people got mowed down in Maine.

No one here at least. Not a one of us is going to have a second of inconvenience or sorrow that they were murdered.

Until it happens to you or a loved one, then the right to bear arms will seem trivial in comparison to the right to life.

Meanwhile, both sides will dig their heals in, stick their heads in the sand and never contemplate that the next mass shooting will happen in their community - until it does.
 
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Septic said:
I don't know. But I do know is when both sides refuse to budge, nothing will be solved.

Sadly, no one really cares that 18 people got mowed down in Maine.

No one here at least. Not a one of us is going to have a second of inconvenience or sorrow that they were murdered.

Until it happens to you or a loved one, then the right to bear arms will seem trivial in comparison to the right to life.

Meanwhile, both sides will dig their heals in, stick their heads in the sand and never contemplate that the next mass shooting will happen in their community - until it does.
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Trying to make an emotional appeal is weak sauce and beneath you. (well maybe not)

I'm truly sorry that 18 people were murdered and I'd wager everyone else on this board feels the same way. But because tragedy was visited on those people and all of our emotions are running high still does not give ample reason to punish the innocent and law abiding by adding more regulations. When you can lay out a plan that would have some impact on reducing or eliminating these events people will listen but there is no point in even entertaining "we got to do something" or "we have to compromise". You nor the gun grabbers have given anything worthy of consideration let alone compromise.
 
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Septic said:
Did you miss the part where I said I wasn't following you down the racial rabbit hole?
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If you want to have an honest conversation about guns, it’s an unavoidable topic.

Majority of the homicide in this country are committed by 13% of the population.

How do you know that and still think “it’s the guns! Too easy of access!”
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you want to have an honest conversation about guns, it’s an unavoidable topic.

Majority of the homicide in this country are committed by 13% of the population.

How do you know that and still think “it’s the guns! Too easy of access!”
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They don't want to have an honest conversation about guns or mental health. They are incapable.
 
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hog88 said:
Harsh sentencing and mandatory minimums sure have worked in deterring illegal drugs.
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We've gotten away from hard labor. Prisons aren't hard work anymore. They basically just work the prison to keep it operational. Not any worse than keeping up with your own household. You have some of these non working mfckers busting rocks on a chain gang you might alter some behavior.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Much easier to just blame the guns. As to your idea, do you know of any studies comparing violence crime rates between untreated vs treated mental illness?
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I don't. I have searched and cannot find where there has ever been a study done on these mass murderers and their mental health medications. It's my stance that the CDC and the federal government doesn't want that data.
 
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hog88 said:
Trying to make an emotional appeal is weak sauce and beneath you. (well maybe not)

I'm truly sorry that 18 people were murdered and I'd wager everyone else on this board feels the same way. But because tragedy was visited on those people and all of our emotions are running high still does not give ample reason to punish the innocent and law abiding by adding more regulations. When you can lay out a plan that would have some impact on reducing or eliminating these events people will listen but there is no point in even entertaining "we got to do something" or "we have to compromise". You nor the gun grabbers have given anything worthy of consideration let alone compromise.
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Nah, you don't give a sh*t. Don't front.

We're all desensitized to it at this point. You won't lose a wink of sleep over this, neither will I.

Clearly, you're too stupid to realize, despite me overtly stating I'm not a gun "grabbing" advocate and that I've not hinted at limiting access to your guns. You're simply reverting to the same tribalism that you've always demonstrated and again show that you aren't capable of even recognizing that compromise is a possible solution. It's fascinating watching you guys circle the wagons and attack, even when the enemy isn't there.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't. I have searched and cannot find where there has ever been a study done on these mass murderers and their mental health medications. It's my stance that the CDC and the federal government doesn't want that data.
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I’ll try to take a look and see if I can find anything later today. I think if we take one step back from your hypothesis and simply try violent crime in general we may have more success
 
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