Mass shootings in Maine

[hog88]

Most of what I have seen has the number's proportional in terms of mass shootings. I've not personally seen anything indicating a disproportional white rate, which I think your hypothesis would need.

Maybe there should be at least 2 categories. Indiscriminate mass shootings/murder and crime related mass shootings/murder.

 

[hog88]

Maybe I don't understand what you're saying. But the claim I've seen before from people with your perspective is that these drugs increase disassociation and lead people to feel disconnected from their actions, thus leading to things like mass murder. Is that not your basic idea?

Yes that is part of it. I also believe people that do not need these medications are prescribed them and that leads to problems.

 

[turbovol]

My favorite Twittter exchange of the day. Read from bottom to top.

Jeff Tiedrich

@itsJeffTiedrich
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hey everyone, the AR in AR-15 actually stands for who gives a **** what it stands for, no civilian needs to have one


Lauren Boebert

@laurenboebert
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I’m not going to be lectured about gun safety by people who think the “AR” in AR-15 stands for “assault rifle”.

 

[hog88]

My favorite Twittter exchange of the day. Read from bottom to top.

Jeff Tiedrich

@itsJeffTiedrich
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1h

hey everyone, the AR in AR-15 actually stands for who gives a **** what it stands for, no civilian needs to have one


Lauren Boebert

@laurenboebert
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2h
I’m not going to be lectured about gun safety by people who think the “AR” in AR-15 stands for “assault rifle”.

Yeah, its always entertaining watching idiots argue.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

My favorite Twittter exchange of the day. Read from bottom to top.

Jeff Tiedrich

@itsJeffTiedrich
·
1h

hey everyone, the AR in AR-15 actually stands for who gives a **** what it stands for, no civilian needs to have one


Lauren Boebert

@laurenboebert
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2h
I’m not going to be lectured about gun safety by people who think the “AR” in AR-15 stands for “assault rifle”.

Do you keep a personal diary to record useless crap?

 

[DynaLo]

But universal background checks is an infringement? Yeah we’ve been through this. You’re very educated about guns and very delusional about them. Mass shootings are a uniquely American problem because of attitudes like yours. But on the bright side I’d say your house is pretty secure. I bet those people out living their lives in Lewiston wished they were in a secure house when that broke out.

How dare somebody have a "we gotta do something" attitude about murder victims. Nah, I get it. It was nobody you cared about.

There’s that ignorant of facts universal background check blabbering once again.

To legally purchase a firearm one already has to fill out a Federal Form 4473, pay the fees on it and the call gets made to the Feds for your NICS background check before you can actually purchase the firearm. So we already have a National background check requirement as a matter of federal law since 1993.

GIGO is the fail point with the existing system. Garbage in results in garbage out. The system starts at the local level where city and county officials are supposed to input legal disqualification data into the NICS system in a timely manner.

In all those local jurisdictions timeliness is not a set deadline but can vary from weeks to months to a year to oops based on personnel availability for that data entry into NICS.

One of the reasons legal gun owners get so pissed over the screeching for universal background checks, beside shall not be infringed, is the cluelessness people have about the current background check system.

Perhaps y’all should fix the failure points in the current background check laws before you go adding new laws that will simply fail in the same way.

Btw, until we see Hunter face the same felony charges and jail time for lying on that Federal Form 4473 as Bubba Trumper would legally face, y’all are riding a three legged mule in the more gun control issue.

 

[InVOLuntary]

We've gotten away from hard labor. Prisons aren't hard work anymore. They basically just work the prison to keep it operational. Not any worse than keeping up with your own household. You have some of these non working mfckers busting rocks on a chain gang you might alter some behavior.

Now this I can get on board with. I've always said prison should include a cot, meals, and basic necessities. You want access to workout equipment, work for it. You want access to TV, work for it. Also, truth in sentencing. Get sentenced to 20 years, serve it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I don't know. But I do know is when both sides refuse to budge, nothing will be solved.

Sadly, no one really cares that 18 people got mowed down in Maine.

No one here at least. Not a one of us is going to have a second of inconvenience or sorrow that they were murdered.

Until it happens to you or a loved one, then the right to bear arms will seem trivial in comparison to the right to life.

Meanwhile, both sides will dig their heals in, stick their heads in the sand and never contemplate that the next mass shooting will happen in their community - until it does.

I care. I offer up prayers for the shot, the shooter, the trauma workers and the traumatized. That's what my faith teaches me to do. Your mileage may vary about the results of my caring.

As for the "meta issue" of horrible things that happen and kill a lot of people, I'm not a believer that giving government more power over my life should be done lightly.

We live in cities with a million limits on what and how we can build on our own property. We're told to register our intentions just to replace the deck on the house or put a shed in the backyard. I'm not a fan and yet I get it......I don't want my house threatened by your rickety 5 story lookout tower made from your Natty Lite cans. I get it and I'm still not a fan.

At some point America became this country that decided we needed to register some things we buy or some things we want to do with the government "for the public good" or limit our behavior in personal choices "for the public good." I'm not convinced.

My church can and did certify my marriage. The government wants to know for tax purposes, primarily, and it's still none of their business. The local store wants to open on Sunday because the owner's faith worships on Saturday, not Sunday, but the government wants make "Sunday special." It's not their job to do that.

See, we might agree on the above. Government butts in enough in my life for "the good of the masses." I'm not convinced.

The Forefathers agreed government sucks, but we have to share some resources for security, civility, etc. They gave a VERY limited set of rules for that government. We've blown it up to the government demanding this be labeled, that be registered, and personal freedom is secondary to the needs of the government.

That isn't the spirit of the document they wrote. Government should be seldom seen and heard in my daily life. SPECIFICALLY, they dedicated an entire Amendment to my personal and collective defense of my freedom with arms. Government needs to butt out. I didn't write it ..... guys dressed in what the government would now like to restrict as "drag" wrote it.

Have I mentioned we'd probably agree on some things?

 

[MercyPercy]

Think this POS found a quiet place to die or he's out there in the woods somewhere eating canned beans?

If the latter, hope everyone in the area is wary out in the sticks whenever deer season starts.

 

[AirVol]

I don’t think you’re smart enough to figure it out so let me help you. Only law abiding citizens follow the rule of law. Criminals will always break those laws. So it doesn’t matter what guns you ban or what laws are passed, someone somewhere will break those laws. It’s not a bipartisan issue which party did or didn’t do, it’s a criminal thingy.

Hoped that helped, if it didn’t I’ll be praying for you to seek help.

A ban on assault rifles, for starters. Thanks for playing. Don't pretend that Dems don't have proposals/plans for tougher gun regulations.

 

[AirVol]

Are you sure "thoughts and prayers" won't help?

Only for believers.

 

[kiddiedoc]

If anyone actually CARED about reducing gun violence, there would be 2 realistic areas to begin:

1. Gang activity/black-on-black shootings
2. Mental health reform

 

[Septic]

Only for believers.

 

[Orangeburst]

Do you keep a personal diary to record useless crap?

It is a diary with rings so can be modified as necessary

 

[hog88]

Think this POS found a quiet place to die or he's out there in the woods somewhere eating canned beans?

If the latter, hope everyone in the area is wary out in the sticks whenever deer season starts.

Pretty sure it's already deer season up there also psychopath season. Some hunter may bag him a real trophy.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yes that is part of it. I also believe people that do not need these medications are prescribed them and that leads to problems.

You'd think there would be a study but here we are. I would like to see a study based on irregular sexual tendencies as well as a study based on prior use of ADHD meds, particularly in regards to children.

 

[Septic]

If anyone actually CARED about reducing gun violence, there would be 2 realistic areas to begin:

1. Gang activity/black-on-black shootings
2. Mental health reform

One a disease of the culture - lack of father figures, reliance on the State, lack of moral guidance etc... Black on black and gang and gun violence is just a symptom of the disease. I'd even go so far as to say the BLM movement is BS. The black community pretends to care about black lives, they don't - not really. Your post is evidence of that. I don't think I've ever witnessed a black rally or march because of b on b violence. I digress.

Two, agreed. Needs to be a lot more of that.

 

[hog88]

You'd think there would be a study but here we are. I would like to see a study based on irregular sexual tendencies as well as a study based on prior use of ADHD meds, particularly in regards to children.

Too much money would be at risk for anyone including the federal government to fund such studies.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Too much money would be at risk for anyone including the federal government to fund such studies.

No way big pharma would risk that cash cow. I believe a lot of this is because of the chemical baby sitting that has been done over the last 20-30 years.

 

[Septic]

I care. I offer up prayers for the shot, the shooter, the trauma workers and the traumatized. That's what my faith teaches me to do. Your mileage may vary about the results of my caring.

Do you feel like your "T's & P's" are most effective when they're sought at home, in a group setting or on Facebook?

I'm just wondering where the signaled virtue is most effective.

 

[hog88]

No way big pharma would risk that cash cow. I believe a lot of this is because of the chemical baby sitting that has been done over the last 20-30 years.

100%

 

[Septic]

Ktiwnvol posted it in this thread originally pointing out the same as you.
According to this
Between 1982 and October 2023, 79 out of the 148 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters. 53% vs 47% for minorites... 38% if you take out the unclear category (which is mixed)

Mass shootings by shooter’s race in the U.S. 2023 | Statista

Between 1982 and December 2023, 80 out of the 149 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by White shooters.

www.statista.com

Thanks for providing the source.

But this doesn't really doesn't help @Vol8188 narrative that it's a black problem. Well, until he tries to moonwalk the conversation back into "homicide."

 

[whodeycin85]

Thanks for providing the source.

But this doesn't really doesn't help @Vol8188 narrative that it's a black problem. Well, until he tries to moonwalk the conversation back into "homicide."


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Exclusively black no...but a minority issue yes... I did give you a like on your post above... we are not as far apart as our previous conversations have looked

 

[turbovol]

Crazy Mike Johnson with yet another "now's not the time to talk about mass shootings" responses GOP pansies have been
throwing out for years. Embarrassing. It's never the time for gutless, irresponsible Republicans who continue to endanger all Americans
with their callous indifference to gun violence.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Think this POS found a quiet place to die or he's out there in the woods somewhere eating canned beans?

If the latter, hope everyone in the area is wary out in the sticks whenever deer season starts.

Definitely "in the woods" is my guess. Depending on how long he's been planning this and how disturbed/irrational he is, he might be out there awhile.

That he abandoned the car he used in the attack pretty quickly kind of says he isn't as irrational as I wish he was. He likely had a boat or another vehicle packed and ready and somewhere to go that may or may not be well stocked.

He could "Unibomber" in Maine or Canada or pretty much anywhere in the Northeast fairly quickly and easily if he got away in an unknown vehicle. Hopefully, he has a "moral compass" that comes back to him and either decides to turn himself in to the police or God.