Mass shootings in Maine

[whodeycin85]

Red flag laws. The Maine shooter was denied trying to purchase a silencer because he checked the box saying he had been in a mental institution. Checking the box should also disqualify one from purchasing the actual gun but ya know.....muh freedums

Didn't he own there rifle before the mental institution visit?

 

[volinbham]

Red flag laws. The Maine shooter was denied trying to purchase a silencer because he checked the box saying he had been in a mental institution. Checking the box should also disqualify one from purchasing the actual gun but ya know.....muh freedums

Maine has yellow flag laws that weren't properly enforced.

The clear story that is emerging is that all the laws and government systems that should have stopped this guy were NOT correctly implemented and your solutions is...We NeEd MoRe LaWs!

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yes, we want to infringe on the rights of goobers who want to play sheriff-wannabe with their guns so that we can better protect the American people from gun massacres. Exactly.

We have a country with a ton of people with mental health issues and incredibly easy access to guns. It's why we have so many gun massacres. People are tired of all the cheap, stupid excuse-making from rubes who have nothing better to do than play with guns. "Well, what about cars and pillows--you can kill people with those, too." "Guns don't kill people, people do." "Do you even know how an assault rifle works."

Please. You're all irresponsible fools--and GOP politicians are a pathetic bunch. We've got a major political party that's been taken over by low IQ rednecks and christian crazies.

You figured out the difference between an airsoft rifle and a real rifle yet “Earl”? Or the difference between an automatic and semiautomatic rifle?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lock up all the people with mental illness, problem solved.

Turbo Earl is gonna be shocked to find out he’s in that group too

 

[kiddiedoc]

Red flag laws. The Maine shooter was denied trying to purchase a silencer because he checked the box saying he had been in a mental institution. Checking the box should also disqualify one from purchasing the actual gun but ya know.....muh freedums

ATF Form 4473, required for the purchase/ transfer of a firearm:

f. Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

g. Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?

I went ahead and included (f.) just in case it pertains to *anybody else* who may or may not be in this thread

 

[kiddiedoc]

I guess that settles the debate. We already have laws preventing the purchase or acquisition of automatic assault rifles, and there is a screen for mental illness, so @turbovol and @K-town Vol Fan should be satisfied.

Did you guys have any other specific legislation in mind?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You do realize that every assault-rifle mass murderer we have was a "law-abiding citizen" and "responsible gun owner" up until the moment
he decided to start shooting? You ought to think about that.

I realize that Bernie Madoff was a very respected asset manager and investment specialist until the truth came out. Should we ban ALL asset managers and investment counselors because a few are crooks?

Let me guess, your solution is to invite government to further "oversee" the asset management industry.

Your answer to the occasional corruption or misuse issue in ANY industry is to "let government oversee it even more."

Have you even glanced at the Constitution?

 

[hog88]

I realize that Bernie Madoff was a very respected asset manager and investment specialist until the truth came out. Should we ban ALL asset managers and investment counselors because a few are crooks?

Let me guess, your solution is to invite government to further "oversee" the asset management industry.

Your answer to the occasional corruption or misuse issue in ANY industry is to "let government oversee it even more."

Have you even glanced at the Constitution?

I'm sure Turbo would love for more .gov oversight of every industry and aspect of our lives

 

[norrislakevol]

I'm sure Turbo would love for more .gov oversight of every industry and aspect of our lives

It's the communist way!

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If you're not prepared to support a permanent ban on assault rifles, for starters then you can't be taken seriously on this issue.
Mass shootings are a uniquely American problem--and it's not because we have more mentally troubled people than other countries.
It's because we make it very easy to buy dangerous weapons.

What's an assault rifle?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I laugh at the rubes who always want to test the gun knowledge of those who want tougher gun control. They're always
trying to distract and deflect from the obvious. So, no, I'm not playing your "how much do you know about guns" game.

How're all those strict gun control laws working out in Chicago or Baltimore or any other Blue city?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We need to bring back hard labor camps. I mean HARD labor. Have them building roads etc. Have mandatory sentences for illegal possession of a firearm. Maybe 90 days first offense and then 1 year, then 5 years.

I'm not being flippant, but define 'illegal'. Do you mean 'registered'? Sorry, but if I owned any guns, it wouldn't be anybody's business.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Are you sure "thoughts and prayers" won't help?

Can you prove they don't?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We've gotten away from hard labor. Prisons aren't hard work anymore. They basically just work the prison to keep it operational. Not any worse than keeping up with your own household. You have some of these non working mfckers busting rocks on a chain gang you might alter some behavior.

The progressive left would never stand for that. I think we should build a prison in western Alaska and send them all up there. No walls or fences needed.

 

[DC_Vol]

Maine has yellow flag laws that weren't properly enforced.

The clear story that is emerging is that all the laws and government systems that should have stopped this guy were NOT correctly implemented and your solutions is...We NeEd MoRe LaWs!

In the next legislative session they should consider making it illegal to randomly shoot somebody. That should fix it.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

It never fails when a nutjob goes out and kills a bunch of people.

The left loses their minds and says all gun owners are potential mass killers and must have there guns removed.

However a muslim commits a terrorist attack... and the left makes it clear that one person's action doesn't reflect the majority of all muslims!

 

[Septic]

Can you prove they don't?

I've never seen a platitude resurrect the dead, so anecdotally - yes.

 

[Sandman 423]

What's an assault rifle?

 

[KB5252]

Maine has yellow flag laws that weren't properly enforced.

The clear story that is emerging is that all the laws and government systems that should have stopped this guy were NOT correctly implemented and your solutions is...We NeEd MoRe LaWs!

This is where I'm at. Doesn't sound like we implement laws very well regarding guns. So the smart choice would be figuring out why the laws weren't enforced and fix those as a starting point. Seems to me the logical place to start and I have a sneaking suspicion if we address these issues the need for more action would be greatly diminished.

When the issue is laws not being enforced more laws typically wouldn't be the solution.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm ok if it's temporary. There should be a path to re-gain those rights.

You think the State is just gonna hand em back over after Joe’s ex-wife files a red flag claim against him?

 

[85SugarVol]

I still want to hear any proposals out there for this Grand Compromise we are about to enter into.

The one that ostensibly stems the innocent bloodshed at schools and theaters.

2A crowd has been asked to put their rifles on the table.

What is the other side putting on the table?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

I still want to hear any proposals out there for this Grand Compromise we are about to enter into.

The one that ostensibly stems the innocent bloodshed at schools and theaters.

2A crowd has been asked to put their rifles on the table.

What is the other side putting on the table?

The anti-gun crowd preaches "compromise" while never actually offering anything in return for what gun owners would be giving up. At this point I'm not sure if they're being disingenuous or if they're too dumb to understand the meaning of compromise - although it's probably a combination of both.

 

[volfanhill]

The anti-gun crowd preaches "compromise" while never actually offering anything in return for what gun owners would be giving up. At this point I'm not sure if they're being disingenuous or if they're too dumb to understand the meaning of compromise - although it's probably a combination of both.

I’m confused by the compromise part. There is no compromise. The way to do what they want is outlined in the constitution.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The anti-gun crowd preaches "compromise" while never actually offering anything in return for what gun owners would be giving up. At this point I'm not sure if they're being disingenuous or if they're too dumb to understand the meaning of compromise - although it's probably a combination of both.

We've well established in this thread that assault rifles (capable of selectable fully-automatic fire rate) should be limited to military, police, and those with special permits, and that those with mental instability should be unable to purchase or possess firearms.

I'm still waiting to hear what further legislation is warranted.

 

[LouderVol]

I still want to hear any proposals out there for this Grand Compromise we are about to enter into.

The one that ostensibly stems the innocent bloodshed at schools and theaters.

2A crowd has been asked to put their rifles on the table.

What is the other side putting on the table?

whats funny is we have been living with a leftists dream for gun control for decades now. They don't realize it because its become standard, even though it clearly doesn't work. and the reason I can point out it to being the leftist dream is because we are seeing more and more gun laws get struck down by courts. That clearly means it wasn't a compromise or the preferred route by the pro-2A. you are also seeing the expansion of conceal/open/constitutional carry states.

what they need to realize is that compromise is somewhere to the right of where we are. a compromise would clearly be something that didn't cross Constitutional lines, it can hardly be claimed to be a compromise if it isn't even legal.