Matt Campbell (Iowa State)

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#251
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Birdie said:
Gus took over a championship roster vs Texas being 16-21 the 3yrs prior vs Auburn's 25-13 and Natty. That obviously doesn't matter here.

Gus loses an average of 4.36 games a year for 8yrs. So what we do KNOW about Gus, is that he refuses to change his offense, is on the on back half of his career, and he is a coach who will go 8-4 or 8-5 almost every single year, best case scenario because he has a longer track of doing so

Comparably. Herman is a younger coach on the front half of his career who is winning at the same rate, higher if you consider their entire career, while still learning how to manage a major program. Has an offense that is fresh, not dated.

So objectively, if one them were to go from the 8-4 coach that their records say they are today to winning 10-2, 11-1 coach, most would say the younger coach has more upside. If you want Gus' 6-8 wins a year with zero upside, ok. Personally, I'd rather have the younger coach with a higher ceiling. If he fails and only wins 6-8 a year like Gus will, ok. At least we had chance for more.

And no, you still did not address the fact his offense is dated and he refuses to change it. It is why he loses 4-5 games every single year and why he got fired. He is an offensive guru with a dated offensive scheme
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Yeah thats absolutely false.
Gus took over after Chizik went 3-9 and 0-8 in the conference. And that was after an 8-5 year before that. Their NC was the year before that. So, no. Gus didn't take over a championship roster. He took over a team that went winless in the conference the previous season.

Herman is winning enough to be on the hot seat at Texas in year 4. And he's doing it with better players than everybody he's playing against. With OU at best being even.

The irony is LSU firing Miles to hire Herman, he turns them down and goes to Texas.

I dont care about someone's opinion of how the numbers get to be what they are. Malzahn won a higher percentage of his games at a tougher place to recruit and a tougher place to win than Herman currently is. Those are just the facts.

At least we ve got off the idea that Gus is at best a 6 win coach. Thats progress.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Yeah thats absolutely false.
Gus took over after Chizik went 3-9 and 0-8 in the conference. And that was after an 8-5 year before that. Their NC was the year before that. So, no. Gus didn't take over a championship roster. He took over a team that went winless in the conference the previous season.

Herman is winning enough to be on the hot seat at Texas in year 4. And he's doing it with better players than everybody he's playing against. With OU at best being even.

The irony is LSU firing Miles to hire Herman, he turns them down and goes to Texas.

I dont care about someone's opinion of how the numbers get to be what they are. Malzahn won a higher percentage of his games at a tougher place to recruit and a tougher place to win than Herman currently is. Those are just the facts.

At least we ve got off the idea that Gus is at best a 6 win coach. Thats progress.
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Gus will be a 6 win coach here because his career trajectory is downward and his offense is stale, the latter is a fact if you want to look up his offensive rankings. We also clarified that Texas was 16-21 and Auburn 25-13 with a NC in the 3yrs prior for each. I wonder who had better players...pretty obvious answer there. Gus has lost at least 4 games in every season at Auburn besides his first season, one of those losses he couldn't out scheme the great Jeremy Pruitt or stop JG..

It's also funny how you talk about OU like they're no talent scrubs haha. Nullifies your entire argument. They had Baker Mayfield and Kylar Murray and were in the college football playoffs 17,18, and 19. Herman beat them in 2018 and lost by a combined 15pts in the other 2 games. Being competitive with elite teams is better than getting blown out by UK and Arkansas imo, but that's just me. Guess you and Boston think that isn't a good start to rebuilding the program from the dog poop it currently is.
 
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Birdie said:
Gus will be a 6 win coach here because his career trajectory is downward and his offense is stale, the latter is a fact if you want to look up his offensive rankings. We also clarified that Texas was 16-21 and Auburn 25-13 with a NC in the 3yrs prior for each. I wonder who had better players...pretty obvious answer there. Gus has lost at least 4 games in every season at Auburn besides his first season, one of those losses he couldn't out scheme the great Jeremy Pruitt or stop JG..

It's also funny how you talk about OU like they're no talent scrubs haha. Nullifies your entire argument. They had Baker Mayfield and Kylar Murray and were in the college football playoffs 17,18, and 19. Herman beat them in 2018 and lost by a combined 15pts in the other 2 games. Being competitive with elite teams is better than getting blown out by UK and Arkansas imo, but that's just me. Guess you and Boston think that isn't a good start to rebuilding the program from the dog poop it currently is.
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You re injecting opinion and calling it fact.

Like I said before. His record is his record. Just like any other coach including Herman. Those are facts that don't require opinion.

Well, actually its not funny because thats not what I said.
What I did say was Texas has recruited well. I even posted the numbers) Thats a fact. As they should. The only team that has recruited at their level in their conference is OU. Thats a fact.. That would mean OU has a talented team as well. Or basically, the exact opposite of what you re claiming I said.

Since his only win against OU he's 13 - 9 in the Big 12. He didn't lose to OU 9 times.

My point was simple from the beginning and it hasn't changed.
- Texas has a recruiting advantage over a lot of schools. Including UT
- Herman has recruited well at Texas and lost several games to teams where he had the better roster.
- The SEC is better than the Big 12 and its not really that close
- If hes not beating inferior teams at Texas, why should anyone believe he's going to beat better teams in the SEC

Anything else is pure speculation thats not required when you have facts to go by.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You re injecting opinion and calling it fact.

Like I said before. His record is his record. Just like any other coach including Herman. Those are facts that don't require opinion.

Well, actually its not funny because thats not what I said.
What I did say was Texas has recruited well. I even posted the numbers) Thats a fact. As they should. The only team that has recruited at their level in their conference is OU. Thats a fact.. That would mean OU has a talented team as well. Or basically, the exact opposite of what you re claiming I said.

Since his only win against OU he's 13 - 9 in the Big 12. He didn't lose to OU 9 times.

My point was simple from the beginning and it hasn't changed.
- Texas has a recruiting advantage over a lot of schools. Including UT
- Herman has recruited well at Texas and lost several games to teams where he had the better roster.
- The SEC is better than the Big 12 and its not really that close
- If hes not beating inferior teams at Texas, why should anyone believe he's going to beat better teams in the SEC

Anything else is pure speculation thats not required when you have facts to go by.
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Actually, you stated Texas was more talented than OU in multiple posts, so that means Texas, off a 16-21 run the 3yrs prior to his arrival, was more talented than 3 playoff Oklahoma teams. Teams that had Baker Mayfield and Murray on them I might add. Completely nullifies your argument and highlights your bias.

Context is important along with facts but here are the facts for you.

Fact, Gus has lost 4 or more games per year since his first season when he took Chizik's players to the NC. Credit to Gus for the coaching job that year though.

Fact Herman has a higher career winning % than Gus.

Fact, Gus' offense is no longer as effective as it once was based on offensive production stats.

Fact, Gus has completely refused, based on his own words, to adjust his offensive scheme to date.

I agree it is an opinion that it's better to be competitive with elite, playoff caliber teams vs getting blown out by the likes of UK, Vandy, and Arkansas like TN has but most people, besides you it seems, would agree with that opinion. You do you though man, good luck.
 
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Birdie said:
Actually, you stated Texas was more talented than OU in multiple posts, so that means Texas, off a 16-21 run the 3yrs prior to his arrival, was more talented than 3 playoff Oklahoma teams. Teams that had Baker Mayfield and Murray on them I might add. Completely nullifies your argument and highlights your bias.

Context is important along with facts but here are the facts for you.

Fact, Gus has lost 4 or more games per year since his first season when he took Chizik's players to the NC. Credit to Gus for the coaching job that year though.

Fact Herman has a higher career winning % than Gus.

Fact, Gus' offense is no longer as effective as it once was based on offensive production stats.

Fact, Gus has completely refused, based on his own words, to adjust his offensive scheme to date.

I agree it is an opinion that it's better to be competitive with elite, playoff caliber teams vs getting blown out by the likes of UK, Vandy, and Arkansas like TN has but most people, besides you it seems, would agree with that opinion. You do you though man, good luck.
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Fact. Gus has beaten Nick Saban.

Fact. Herman hasn’t beaten anyone even in Saban stratosphere.

Fact. Gus has put more guys in the NFL

Fact. Gus is a better recruiter

Fact. Gus has a NC

Fact. Herman doesn’t.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
He was fired when he every advantage available to make a perennial contender for SEC titles and playoffs. He has a dinosaur philosophy concerning offensive schemes in today’s game just like our offense was this year. The game passed him by.
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Yet how many losing seasons has he has at Auburn again? And let’s face it. If Auburn were not in the SECW, they likely would make the playoffs.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yet how many losing seasons has he has at Auburn again? And let’s face it. If Auburn were not in the SECW, they likely would make the playoffs.
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He has averaged 4 losses a season as has been noted here today. Do you want him here ? Sure he is better than Pruitt but he has not done as well as expected with the resources Auburn has. He would not come here anywhere because he can be selective as a result of his buyout.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Please explain how Gus is a bad coach
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Gus is a bad coach because having a top 5 DC isn't a skill.

Consistently masterminding offenses that rank worse than 60th nationally also isn't a skill.

For Gus to replicate what he did at Auburn in the last 5 years, he would have to leave the offense about where it is and implement a top 5 defense. Y'all want to fire Pruitt and replace him with an offensive coordinator to fix our defense.

No one who knows anything about Gus Malzahn or watched any Auburn games at all since 2016 would be asking for that dude.
 
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Birdie said:
Haha ok
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Ten_Titans said:
Gus is a bad coach because having a top 5 DC isn't a skill.

Consistently masterminding offenses that rank worse than 60th nationally also isn't a skill.

For Gus to replicate what he did at Auburn in the last 5 years, he would have to leave the offense about where it is and implement a top 5 defense. Y'all want to fire Pruitt and replace him with an offensive coordinator to fix our defense.

No one who knows anything about Gus Malzahn or watched any Auburn games at all since 2016 would be asking for that dude.
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He is better than Mullen or Smart
 
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Birdie said:
Actually, you stated Texas was more talented than OU in multiple posts, so that means Texas, off a 16-21 run the 3yrs prior to his arrival, was more talented than 3 playoff Oklahoma teams. Teams that had Baker Mayfield and Murray on them I might add. Completely nullifies your argument and highlights your bias.

Context is important along with facts but here are the facts for you.

Fact, Gus has lost 4 or more games per year since his first season when he took Chizik's players to the NC. Credit to Gus for the coaching job that year though.

Fact Herman has a higher career winning % than Gus.

Fact, Gus' offense is no longer as effective as it once was based on offensive production stats.

Fact, Gus has completely refused, based on his own words, to adjust his offensive scheme to date.

I agree it is an opinion that it's better to be competitive with elite, playoff caliber teams vs getting blown out by the likes of UK, Vandy, and Arkansas like TN has but most people, besides you it seems, would agree with that opinion. You do you though man, good luck.
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I ve stated that Texas has recruited well under Herman. Specifically the last 3 years.
Recruiting classes per 247
2020 - Texas #8
OU #12
2019 - Texas #3
OU #6
2018 - Texas #3
Ou # 9

There's no bias involved. I dont give a crap about either OU or Texas.

If you want to go with Texas and OU are on even ground talent wise, I'm good with that. I've stated they are recruiting on similar levels.

If we re looking for context now, I've got a few easy questions.

Is Texas more talented than every team in the Big 12, excluding OU?

Is the SEC a better conference in football than the Big 12?
 
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#267
BeecherVol said:
I ve stated that Texas has recruited well under Herman. Specifically the last 3 years.
Recruiting classes per 247
2020 - Texas #8
OU #12
2019 - Texas #3
OU #6
2018 - Texas #3
Ou # 9

There's no bias involved. I dont give a crap about either OU or Texas.

If you want to go with Texas and OU are on even ground talent wise, I'm good with that. I've stated they are recruiting on similar levels.

If we re looking for context now, I've got a few easy questions.

Is Texas more talented than every team in the Big 12, excluding OU?

Is the SEC a better conference in football than the Big 12?
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I'm not sure if they are. Recruiting rankings would imply they could be.

So because the SEC is the best conference, unless a coach is absolutely destroying everyone in their conference they can't find success in the SEC?
 
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Birdie said:
I'm not sure if they are. Recruiting rankings would imply they could be.

So because the SEC is the best conference, unless a coach is absolutely destroying everyone in their conference they can't find success in the SEC?
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You mentioned he had 2 top 5 classes in an earlier post. I was under the impression you were putting some weight into recruiting rankings to explain how well Herman has recruited at Texas.
You actually made a good point there. I dont think they are exact or perfect but they are a pretty good gauge for where teams are. Herman has recruited very well.

I posted the previous 3 years for both Texas and OU earlier so theres no need to go back through those. Texas has averaged a top 5 class. OU is at 9. Its not a perfect science but those 2 teams are pretty close.

Outside Texas and OU (3 year avg)
TCU 27
Baylor 38
WV 40
Iowa St. 49
Kentucky (for a comparison) 32
Theres a pretty big gap from a top 5 class to 27. Massive gap to 49

Texas has finished 4th in the Big 12 the last 2 years. You could make a solid argument that UK would be the the 4th most talented team in that conference today. ( and they have finished 4th in the east the last 2 years)
I havent run through the SEC recruiting rankings but Id guess UK is probably behind Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, A&M, UT, and SC at least. And they are a long way away from the top 4 or 5.

Who said anything about destroying everyone?
Herman has lost 5 games in the last 2 years where he clearly had the better roster. And 2 to OU where he is at least on equal footing. Thats why his job is on shaky ground.
He's not going to recruit better at UT than he has at Texas.
I dont buy the idea that he would beat better rosters in the SEC when he's losing to inferior teams in the Big 12.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You mentioned he had 2 top 5 classes in an earlier post. I was under the impression you were putting some weight into recruiting rankings to explain how well Herman has recruited at Texas.
You actually made a good point there. I dont think they are exact or perfect but they are a pretty good gauge for where teams are. Herman has recruited very well.

I posted the previous 3 years for both Texas and OU earlier so theres no need to go back through those. Texas has averaged a top 5 class. OU is at 9. Its not a perfect science but those 2 teams are pretty close.

Outside Texas and OU (3 year avg)
TCU 27
Baylor 38
WV 40
Iowa St. 49
Kentucky (for a comparison) 32
Theres a pretty big gap from a top 5 class to 27. Massive gap to 49

Texas has finished 4th in the Big 12 the last 2 years. You could make a solid argument that UK would be the the 4th most talented team in that conference today. ( and they have finished 4th in the east the last 2 years)
I havent run through the SEC recruiting rankings but Id guess UK is probably behind Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, A&M, UT, and SC at least. And they are a long way away from the top 4 or 5.

Who said anything about destroying everyone?
Herman has lost 5 games in the last 2 years where he clearly had the better roster. And 2 to OU where he is at least on equal footing. Thats why his job is on shaky ground.
He's not going to recruit better at UT than he has at Texas.
I dont buy the idea that he would beat better rosters in the SEC when he's losing to inferior teams in the Big 12.
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Ok BeecherVol, go get your mid major coach or coordinator who has never been a HC at the P5 level, they will obviously be the next Saban or Meyer. Good luck with that.

Lol, the elitist attitude of this fanbase is ridiculous. A guy who puts out top 10 offenses and who has beaten teams like Oklahoma and Georgia isn't good enough. Idiocy like this is why TN has coaches like Pruitt.

I've got nothing else to debate with you man. Good luck, let's hope whoever the next coach is can at least win 8 games a year, that'll be a good start
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Fact. Gus has beaten Nick Saban.

Fact. Herman hasn’t beaten anyone even in Saban stratosphere.

Fact. Gus has put more guys in the NFL

Fact. Gus is a better recruiter

Fact. Gus has a NC

Fact. Herman doesn’t.
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There isn't any coach in Saban's stratosphere. But Herman has beaten Stoops, Riley, Fisher, and Smart. All of these coaches have been considered to be elite coaches in the NCAA. Herman also has turned Texas into one of the best offenses in college football, after turning Houston into one of the best offenses in college football.

Also, I don't see how Gus is a better recruiter. Texas has finished top 5 twice and a top 10 another time under Herman. It's unfair to use his time at Houston to compare to Gus at Auburn. The only time he didn't have a Top 10 recruiting class was his first year. It's pretty useless to compare his time at Houston vs Auburn with Gus.

It is true that Gus has better resume than Herman. He has a Natty under his belt and has a strong record in a tough conference. I'd probably rather go with Gus as he is the safer option between the two. But you are selling Herman short here.
 
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BeecherVol said:
You mentioned he had 2 top 5 classes in an earlier post. I was under the impression you were putting some weight into recruiting rankings to explain how well Herman has recruited at Texas.
You actually made a good point there. I dont think they are exact or perfect but they are a pretty good gauge for where teams are. Herman has recruited very well.

I posted the previous 3 years for both Texas and OU earlier so theres no need to go back through those. Texas has averaged a top 5 class. OU is at 9. Its not a perfect science but those 2 teams are pretty close.

Outside Texas and OU (3 year avg)
TCU 27
Baylor 38
WV 40
Iowa St. 49
Kentucky (for a comparison) 32
Theres a pretty big gap from a top 5 class to 27. Massive gap to 49

Texas has finished 4th in the Big 12 the last 2 years. You could make a solid argument that UK would be the the 4th most talented team in that conference today. ( and they have finished 4th in the east the last 2 years)
I havent run through the SEC recruiting rankings but Id guess UK is probably behind Bama, UGA, LSU, AU, A&M, UT, and SC at least. And they are a long way away from the top 4 or 5.

Who said anything about destroying everyone?
Herman has lost 5 games in the last 2 years where he clearly had the better roster. And 2 to OU where he is at least on equal footing. Thats why his job is on shaky ground.
He's not going to recruit better at UT than he has at Texas.
I dont buy the idea that he would beat better rosters in the SEC when he's losing to inferior teams in the Big 12.
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This is a very solid argument. No reason for Texas to lose more than 2-3 games max considering the conference they are in and the talent on their roster. Maybe during a transition year where you have a change at QB or something, but certainly not 2 straight years. And Ehlinger is a 4 yr starter.
 
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Birdie said:
Ok BeecherVol, go get your mid major coach or coordinator who has never been a HC at the P5 level, they will obviously be the next Saban or Meyer. Good luck with that.

Lol, the elitist attitude of this fanbase is ridiculous. A guy who puts out top 10 offenses and who has beaten teams like Oklahoma and Georgia isn't good enough. Idiocy like this is why TN has coaches like Pruitt.

I've got nothing else to debate with you man. Good luck, let's hope whoever the next coach is can at least win 8 games a year, that'll be a good start
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I've never mentioned a mid major coach. For that matter I havent mentioned getting any coach.
Its about Ws and Ls. His offense ranking is an irrelevant number.

Herman is on the hot seat at Texas 4 years in while recruiting extremely well. Why? Some of that is due to be 1-4 against OU. But moreso because he's losing to teams he shouldn't be losing to.
His results at Texas would be a lot tougher to get at UT.
Texas hasn't bolstered his stock after Houston. It was higher before he took the job.
 
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Carp said:
This is a very solid argument. No reason for Texas to lose more than 2-3 games max considering the conference they are in and the talent on their roster. Maybe during a transition year where you have a change at QB or something, but certainly not 2 straight years. And Ehlinger is a 4 yr starter.
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At worse he should be even with OU considering his roster.
 
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BeecherVol said:
At worse he should be even with OU considering his roster.
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I think Herman is a good coach. But he's got some issues. I don't know if it's player development or if he needs to make a coordinator change on defense. But he definitely has under performed the last 2 seasons considering the talent on his roster.

My opinion has been to be more forgiving for 2020 performance due to extraordinary situations programs have been put in. Programs lost months of development and weight training due to the pandemic. That can't be discounted. It's part of the reasons I'm partially ok with giving Pruitt one more chance to prove he can make it.
 
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