McCain belittles gubernatorial and mayoral experience...

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I simply said that it is sick of you to think that a politician should not pander to a voting base. Politicians are on par with whores......
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For the record, I do think it is sick that a politician has to pander to the base at the expense of what would really be better for the country. If you don't, that's your perogative. That is the whole problem with our two-party system. The founders warned against this for good reason.

I'm not one to get into a semantics debate, but I fully expect a politician would pander to the base, but I don't think he/she should. We don't have to be happy about the status quo.
 
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rjd970 said:
For the record, I do think it is sick that a politician has to pander to the base at the expense of what would really be better for the country. If you don't, that's your perogative. That is the whole problem with our two-party system. The founders warned against this for good reason.

I'm not one to get into a semantics debate, but I fully expect a politician would pander to the base, but I don't think he/she should. We don't have to be happy about the status quo.
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Who is happy about the crap we have to vote for?

I am voting for Palin because she is human.

I am confident Palin is political trash but compared to Obama, Biden and McCain I will take my chances.
 
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Do you think women would vote for Romney or Guliani?

Do you think the south would vote for them?
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Wow.

What does this say about those portions of the electorate? I don't know where you live, but I like to think we in the south are a little more open minded than this. We get exactly what we deserve if this is the case.
 
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#29
you're dismissal of McCain's immediate objective is entirely shortsighted and destroys ay credibility in the remainder of your argument. I'll be happy discuss your ridiculous qualifications debate when I'm willing to get in front of a real keyboard.
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OrangeEmpire said:
Slamming Palin = Fear.........

The son of Zeus may not win the election..........
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When exactly did questioning a candidates credentials turn into "slamming" them. And yes, I will be scared if this country is run by Bush III or president Palin.
 
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rjd970 said:
When exactly did questioning a candidates credentials turn into "slamming" them. And yes, I will be scared if this country is run by Bush III or president Palin.
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But again, you'll feel so good about a country run by Obama. And why is that? Like to hear it.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
you're dismissal of McCain's immediate objective is entirely shortsighted and destroys ay credibility in the remainder of your argument. I'll be happy discuss your ridiculous qualifications debate when I'm willing to get in front of a real keyboard.
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The fact that you are referring to a qualifications debate as "ridiculous" says alot.
 
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But again, you'll feel so good about a country run by Obama. And why is that? Like to hear it.
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Now we are putting words in my mouth? You can do better than that can't you? Find me one place where I said I would feel good about an Obama nation and I might entertain this argument. Your obvious bias to whatever candidate has an elephant under his name is showing through. Not once did I ever endorse Obama, only that he was the lesser of the evils. There is a huge difference there.
 
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rjd970 said:
Now we are putting words in my mouth? You can do better than that can't you? Find me one place where I said I would feel good about an Obama nation and I might entertain this argument. Your obvious bias to whatever candidate has an elephant under his name is showing through. Not once did I ever endorse Obama, only that he was the lesser of the evils. There is a huge difference there.
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Easy you said Bush III or President Palin.

That is sad.......

:eek:k:
 
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rjd970 said:
Wow.

What does this say about those portions of the electorate? I don't know where you live, but I like to think we in the south are a little more open minded than this. We get exactly what we deserve if this is the case.
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That is your problem........

:eek:k:

Face reality sometime....

The GOP base could care less about Romney or America's Mayor...
 
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rjd970 said:
Now we are putting words in my mouth? You can do better than that can't you? Find me one place where I said I would feel good about an Obama nation and I might entertain this argument. Your obvious bias to whatever candidate has an elephant under his name is showing through. Not once did I ever endorse Obama, only that he was the lesser of the evils. There is a huge difference there.
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Not putting words anywhere. You continue to rail on one side and bring up reasons that could just as easily be applied to the other, but you don't. Elephants mean nothing to me.
 
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rjd970 said:
When exactly did questioning a candidates credentials turn into "slamming" them. And yes, I will be scared if this country is run by Bush III or president Palin.
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It doesn't..............

It proves that she is the legitimate threat to Obama.

Why are you scared of Palin, do you not think she would be surrounded by adequate advisors?
 
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Easy you said Bush III or President Palin.

That is sad.......
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Now you're just being silly. This in no conceivable way can be construed as an Obama endorsement or good feeling about an Obamanation.
 
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rjd970 said:
Now you're just being silly. This in no conceivable way can be construed as an Obama endorsement or good feeling about an Obamanation.
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No, I am not.

That is the core tenant of their campaign and you apparently subscribe to it.

:eek:k:
 
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allvol123 said:
Why does it matter if Palin is more qualified than Romney or Guliani? One, she is running for VP. Two, she is at the LEAST, as qualified as Obama. Three, she is a better thinker than Obama.

So...Romney, Guliani, and Palin are all better choices than Obama.
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That's a bold statement concerning lady that changed colleges 6 times in 6 years. Obama got an undergraduate from Colombia and a law degree from Harvard. Elitist or not, he accomplished this from humble beginnings and at the very least, shows he can think better than Palin can.

Romney and Guliani both have more executive experience than Palin, which alone makes them better candidates. For that matter, Huckabee, and all his faults, is a better candidate.

Palin is a politician, not a "thinker". Don't take my word on the experience factor, just listen to the republican attacks against Obama.
 
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rjd970 said:
That's a bold statement concerning lady that changed colleges 6 times in 6 years. Obama got an undergraduate from Colombia and a law degree from Harvard. Elitist or not, he accomplished this from humble beginnings and at the very least, shows he can think better than Palin can.
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No he can't and no he doesn't. Here we go again with the clan of people that refer to where someone has been and/or what title they have held in regards to making an argument for that person's ability to form rational ideas. Puke.

Name his good ideas. Pleasssssssssssssse...name them.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
No, I am not.

That is the core tenant of their campaign and you apparently subscribe to it.

:eek:k:
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If it makes you feel better to label me an Obama supporter go right ahead. This will be the first election where I may actually hold my nose and vote democrat. If I didn't mind wasting a vote I might go ahead and write-in the ticket I want.
 
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No he can't and no he doesn't. Here we go again with the clan of people that refer to where someone has been and/or what title they have held in regards to making an argument for that person's ability to form rational ideas. Puke.
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This is utter crap. I was responding to an intellectual comparison of him to Palin. You really do have these RNC talking points down to a tee don't you? "Let's turn the argument into something I obviously didn't mean". Give me a break. If you are arguing who is a better "thinker" then there shouldn't even be a comparison between Obama and Palin...they are on two different playing fields all together.

Name his good ideas. Pleasssssssssssssse...name them.
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Decision to go into Iraq, stance on troop re-deployments, focusing the war on terror on Al Queda and Afghanistan, cutting taxes for 95% of taxpayers, college tax credits, responsible and tough diplomacy, limited financial regulation....

What exactly are Palin's good ideas? Selling planes on ebay, lipstick jokes, demeaning community service, and being for a ridiculous earmark before she was against it? Pray tell, what substance can we actually get from the stump speech we have all heard a million times?
 
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rjd970 said:
This is utter crap. I was responding to an intellectual comparison of him to Palin. You really do have these RNC talking points down to a tee don't you? "Let's turn the argument into something I obviously didn't mean". Give me a break. If you are arguing who is a better "thinker" then there shouldn't even be a comparison between Obama and Palin...they are on two different playing fields all together.

You're right. He is on the field that thinks government is the solution to your problems. She is closer to the field that thinks government should get out of your life. Obvious who is the better thinker.


Decision to go into Iraq, stance on troop re-deployments, focusing the war on terror on Al Queda and Afghanistan, cutting taxes for 95% of taxpayers, college tax credits, responsible and tough diplomacy, limited financial regulation....

What exactly are Palin's good ideas? Selling planes on ebay, lipstick jokes, demeaning community service, and being for a ridiculous earmark before she was against it? Pray tell, what substance can we actually get from the stump speech we have all heard a million times?
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Iraq, Iraq, Iraq...just because the media has told you it is a bad idea for years, does not make it true.

So he is into class warfare? Only wants to cut taxes for 95%? That is a thinker?

Repsonsible and tough diplomacy? You have examples where he has put this in play?

Her ideas?

Not for gun control. She understands that making more anti-gun laws does not reduce crime, sorry, but that is thinking.

She is for drilling in ANWR, another thought far better than any Obama has on energy.
 
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rjd970,

Not sure what your goal is here... Are you trying to win an argument or win an election b/c if it's the latter, I'd forget about Sarah Palin if I were you. Nobody cares. People like her -- whether she's qualified or not. Same goes for Barack Obama.
 
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#49
I saw some garbage Obama talking points from someone there claiming to be objective. Looks like he bought the 95% of taxpayers lie and believes that idiot is going to sit down with folks from the likes of Iran and No Korea.

Seriously, can you spout nonsensical garbage like that as ideas, yet talk about RNC talking points without cracking up at your own absurdity?
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#50
Iraq, Iraq, Iraq...just because the media has told you it is a bad idea for years, does not make it true.
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$10 Billion per month we can't afford. No WMD's. No Al Qaeda (at least before we got there). Sectarian violence. Still no political reconciliation. Over-extending the military from the fight in Afghanistan. Wasteful government crony contracts. Oil at all-time highs. Out sourcing military operations to mercenaries (i.e. Blackwater)....need I go on? What exactly made this a good idea?

So he is into class warfare? Only wants to cut taxes for 95%? That is a thinker?
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Cutting taxes is a bad idea? We are running ridiculous deficits. If one counts the cost of the Iraq war the deficit this year approaches $1 Trillion. Obviously focusing on the top 1% isn't working like the Bush administration hoped. I'm all for cutting taxes, but in a responsible manner. Call them the tax and spend democrats all you want, but the republicans are the borrow and spend. You want a devastating argument to the McCain/Bush tax policy you seem to love?

Combined debt incurred under all presidents before Clinton: $900 Billion

Debt incurred under Clinton: $900 Billion

Debt incurred under Bush Jr.: $8.8 Trillion

Repsonsible and tough diplomacy? You have examples where he has put this in play?
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You have examples of the diplomatic skills of any of the candidates currently running? Biden is sitting on the foreign relations committee and Palin lives next to Russia. All we know for sure is McCain has said he wants to continue the Bush Jr. philosophy. How well has that worked out the last 8 years?

Her ideas?

Not for gun control. She understands that making more anti-gun laws does not reduce crime, sorry, but that is thinking.

She is for drilling in ANWR, another thought far better than any Obama has on energy.
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Guns and oil. That about sums it up, doesn't it?
 
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