McCain belittles gubernatorial and mayoral experience...

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Palins only qualification is she makes middle age guys horny. :)

Obama's qauls are the same for middle aged and hippie chicks
 
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I saw some garbage Obama talking points from someone there claiming to be objective. Looks like he bought the 95% of taxpayers lie and believes that idiot is going to sit down with folks from the likes of Iran and No Korea.
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What evidence do you have that the 95% number is a lie. I would be open to it.

I would also like for you to show me where Obama would sit down with Iran or N. Korea without some preconditions.

Look, you can't just make stuff up. And listening to what is being spouted from Foxnews (for the right) and MSNBC (from the left) won't work either.
 
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rjd970 said:
What evidence do you have that the 95% number is a lie. I would be open to it.

I would also like for you to show me where Obama would sit down with Iran or N. Korea without some preconditions.
Look, you can't just make stuff up. And listening to what is being spouted from Foxnews (for the right) and MSNBC (from the left) won't work either.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us/politics/02obama.html?ref=todayspaper
Making clear that he planned to talk to Iran without preconditions, Mr. Obama emphasized further that “changes in behavior” by Iran could possibly be rewarded with membership in the World Trade Organization, other economic benefits and security guarantees.
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notverycrucial said:
rjd970,

Not sure what your goal is here... Are you trying to win an argument or win an election b/c if it's the latter, I'd forget about Sarah Palin if I were you. Nobody cares. People like her -- whether she's qualified or not. Same goes for Barack Obama.[/QUOTE]

That's the problem. George Bush based his campaign on the "Who would you like to have a beer with" mantra. This popularity crap makes me sick. The Obama crowd is just a guilty, it's just that this Palin phenomenon is starting to get ridiculous with the ebay plane, lipstick jokes, and living next to Russia.

Maybe I am an idealist, but I think actual issues are the most important thing. Rush Limbaugh has characterized Palin as "Guns, Babies, and Jesus". I think that is an apt description of what we know about her. Who care's? At least Obama, for all his faults, is making an attempt at saying something substantive. I can give McCain credit here too, but it would be nice for him to actually explain why we should believe his past record over what he is actually saying in this campaign.
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rjd970 said:
What evidence do you have that the 95% number is a lie. I would be open to it.

I would also like for you to show me where Obama would sit down with Iran or N. Korea without some preconditions.

Look, you can't just make stuff up. And listening to what is being spouted from Foxnews (for the right) and MSNBC (from the left) won't work either.
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There is no evidence of the tax lie. I just know that he can't fund what he's talking about with the tax program he has in mind, period. There is nothing else needed. Moreover, the suppressive effect of pounding the wealthy actually decreases tax receipts, exacerbating the problem he claims to be fixing. He's going to present the Clinton lie that he really had no idea that UHC would cost so much, though he swore up and down that the program would be neutral to taxpayers.

You haven't paid attention if you think Obama was talking preconditions during his primary period phase of feeling out exactly what the hard left wanted to hear. Do your own homework while you're being objective?

You can't admonish me about making things up when it's all your candidate has ever done. When you gonna challenge him to validate his absurd tax solution?
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rjd970 said:
notverycrucial said:
rjd970,

Not sure what your goal is here... Are you trying to win an argument or win an election b/c if it's the latter, I'd forget about Sarah Palin if I were you. Nobody cares. People like her -- whether she's qualified or not. Same goes for Barack Obama.[/QUOTE]

That's the problem. George Bush based his campaign on the "Who would you like to have a beer with" mantra. This popularity crap makes me sick. The Obama crowd is just a guilty, it's just that this Palin phenomenon is starting to get ridiculous with the ebay plane, lipstick jokes, and living next to Russia.

Maybe I am an idealist, but I think actual issues are the most important thing. Rush Limbaugh has characterized Palin as "Guns, Babies, and Jesus". I think that is an apt description of what we know about her. Who care's? At least Obama, for all his faults, is making an attempt at saying something substantive. I can give McCain credit here too, but it would be nice for him to actually explain why we should believe his past record over what he is actually saying in this campaign.
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I didn't think Hope and Change counted as substance.
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Making clear that he planned to talk to Iran without preconditions, Mr. Obama emphasized further that “changes in behavior” by Iran could possibly be rewarded with membership in the World Trade Organization, other economic benefits and security guarantees.
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He never said he would talk with Ahmadinejad without preconditions, but he would with other top officials. No different than what the Bush team is doing now.

Rice: U.S. talks with Iran nuclear envoy proves unity - USATODAY.com

BPV,

There is no evidence of the tax lie. I just know that he can't fund what he's talking about with the tax program he has in mind, period. There is nothing else needed. Moreover, the suppressive effect of pounding the wealthy actually decreases tax receipts, exacerbating the problem he claims to be fixing.
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First off, I applaud the fact that you recognize there is no 95% lie. Although I doubt that this will keep you from using the line again.

Second, if you can prove that he can't fund what he is talking about I would like to hear it. I can prove in a single sentence why the Bush tax cuts didn't work.

$8.8 Trillion increase in the national debt with increasing deficits every year.

McCain would like to continue this....again, definition of insanity.
 
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rjd970 said:
He never said he would talk with Ahmadinejad without preconditions, but he would with other top officials. No different than what the Bush team is doing now.

Rice: U.S. talks with Iran nuclear envoy proves unity - USATODAY.com

BPV,



First off, I applaud the fact that you recognize there is no 95% lie. Although I doubt that this will keep you from using the line again.

Second, if you can prove that he can't fund what he is talking about I would like to hear it. I can prove in a single sentence why the Bush tax cuts didn't work.

$8.8 Trillion increase in the national debt with increasing deficits every year.

McCain would like to continue this....again, definition of insanity.
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I'm not sure, but I could swear you're reaching there.
 
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rjd970 said:
notverycrucial said:
rjd970,

Not sure what your goal is here... Are you trying to win an argument or win an election b/c if it's the latter, I'd forget about Sarah Palin if I were you. Nobody cares. People like her -- whether she's qualified or not. Same goes for Barack Obama.[/QUOTE]

That's the problem. George Bush based his campaign on the "Who would you like to have a beer with" mantra. This popularity crap makes me sick. The Obama crowd is just a guilty, it's just that this Palin phenomenon is starting to get ridiculous with the ebay plane, lipstick jokes, and living next to Russia.

Maybe I am an idealist, but I think actual issues are the most important thing. Rush Limbaugh has characterized Palin as "Guns, Babies, and Jesus". I think that is an apt description of what we know about her. Who care's? At least Obama, for all his faults, is making an attempt at saying something substantive. I can give McCain credit here too, but it would be nice for him to actually explain why we should believe his past record over what he is actually saying in this campaign.
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I'm supporting McCain regardless of Palin. Obama may be a deeper thinker than Palin but it doesn't mean he would be a better leader - the truth is we don't have enough evidence about either Obama or Palin.

The key distinction for me is that Palin is not the POTUS candidate - the chances she'd have to take over are very small.

She was a political pick by McCain but so was Biden regardless of Biden's readiness to serve. If choosing based on what helps you best win is a political crime then both candidates are guilty.
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As for the 95% tax cut there are a couple problems with it:

1. Up to 40% of earners pay no income tax. He's planning to give them cash - their income taxes can be cut no futher.
2. Changes to capital gains rates will affect more than 5% of earners. For some (seniors especially) these tax increases (on income) will offset reductions in traditional income taxes.
3. The tax impact on businesses is likely to be a pass through in the form of higher prices - in effect reducing the spending power of those receiving tax cuts (if you consider cash payments from the government to be cutting taxes then you should consider economic impact of higher prices to be tax increases).

As BPV indicates, the amount of money Obama claims he will extract from the 5% will not come close to paying for what he has proposed.
 
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How does anyone know Palin isn't a deep thinker? Some of this is drivel at best. For the millionth time, they're trying to find anything to use against the VP candidate. This is McCain's ultimate dream. They can't use experience, and the worst they can find thus far is her trying to fire a state trooper who wasn't exactly a great employee. I think it's safe to say McCain/Palin come out ahead in that scenario... whereas Obama still has some questions about his assocaites he's never been pressed about.
 
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The key distinction for me is that Palin is not the POTUS candidate - the chances she'd have to take over are very small.
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Actually, according to the actuarial tables, there is a 15% McCain will not survive his first term and a 1 in 3 chance he will not survive a second.

This, of course, does not factor in the fact that he has had skin cancer and the stress and hours the job of POTUS would include. I think the choice of VP is especially poignant in his case.
 
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volinbham said:
She was a political pick by McCain but so was Biden regardless of Biden's readiness to serve. If choosing based on what helps you best win is a political crime then both candidates are guilty.
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Bull. If he was pandering to his party like McCain was he would have swooped up Hillary for the VP without a second thought.
 
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rjd970 said:
Guns and oil. That about sums it up, doesn't it?
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Good enough for me. One thinks the government should act like a nanny state on both issues, the other doesn't. Again, I know which thought process I find more intelligent.
 
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rjd970 said:
Actually, according to the actuarial tables, there is a 15% McCain will not survive his first term and a 1 in 3 chance he will not survive a second.

This, of course, does not factor in the fact that he has had skin cancer and the stress and hours the job of POTUS would include. I think the choice of VP is especially poignant in his case.
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quoting Jason Bourne, I see.
 
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rjd970 said:
That's a bold statement concerning lady that changed colleges 6 times in 6 years. Obama got an undergraduate from Colombia and a law degree from Harvard. Elitist or not, he accomplished this from humble beginnings and at the very least, shows he can think better than Palin can.

Romney and Guliani both have more executive experience than Palin, which alone makes them better candidates. For that matter, Huckabee, and all his faults, is a better candidate.

Palin is a politician, not a "thinker". Don't take my word on the experience factor, just listen to the republican attacks against Obama.
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Explain for me how someone that can't get elected is ever a better candidate? Just how on earth does that work?
 
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rjd970 said:
Actually, according to the actuarial tables, there is a 15% McCain will not survive his first term and a 1 in 3 chance he will not survive a second.

This, of course, does not factor in the fact that he has had skin cancer and the stress and hours the job of POTUS would include. I think the choice of VP is especially poignant in his case.
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nor does it factor in the healthcare afforded the POTUS.

Actuarial tables are about averages and do a very poor job of dealing with extreme circumstances. This one clearly qualifies as such.
 
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666 said:
Bull. If he was pandering to his party like McCain was he would have swooped up Hillary for the VP without a second thought.
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If he wasn't afraid of being shown up and looking like a second fiddle during his presidency he would have. The fact that he did not tells me all I need to know about his insecurity regarding Hillary and Bill.
 
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rjd970 said:
Decision to go into Iraq, stance on troop re-deployments, focusing the war on terror on Al Queda and Afghanistan, cutting taxes for 95% of taxpayers, college tax credits, responsible and tough diplomacy, limited financial regulation....

What exactly are Palin's good ideas? Selling planes on ebay, lipstick jokes, demeaning community service, and being for a ridiculous earmark before she was against it? Pray tell, what substance can we actually get from the stump speech we have all heard a million times?
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This appears to be the model of objectivity.

He was wrong on the decision to go to Iraq. Paint that as you wish, but the decision was the right concerning long-terms strategic thinking.

Obama's stance on troop redeployment is the only way he can make his opinion right concerning the original deployment. His stance is little more than a sophomoric idea about a doctoral issue. He's as lost on this front as he is on economic issues, but as you say, he went to Columbia and is a Harvard Lawyer.

When was the last time that an old school Euro socialist focused a war on anything?

We've discussed the absurdity of the 95% tax payer break. No need to go further. If you buy it, it says to me that you know as much about economics as Obama, which is nearly none.

Responsible and tough diplomacy? Is there some reason you believe this to be the case. Has he ever done anything of this nature or been called upon to make a tough executive decision regarding positioning of a large organization relative to the competition. Has he ever negotiated anything in an executive capacity. Again, you beat me up for making things up and are hanging your hat on the platitudes of a professional speech maker. Very nice.

Do you have any idea what limited financial regulation actually means? Why would Obama stick his ignorance into the middle of financial regulations when the brightest financial minds on earth are handling it today?

Sounds to me like you've simply found an eloquent way to regurgitate a bunch of Obama drivel, none of which can be supported with anything.
 
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That's your own personal assumption. He could have completely solidified the democratic base, which was heavily split between the two, with a nomination of Hillary. So why didn't he act like a cookie cutter candidate and get the secure VP like McCain did?
 
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666 said:
That's your own personal assumption. He could have completely solidified the democratic base, which was heavily split between the two, with a nomination of Hillary. So why didn't he act like a cookie cutter candidate and get the secure VP like McCain did?
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I already answered that question. He would have been at the top of the ticket but looked like a second fiddle to the Clinton's. His ego would not allow him to be perceived in this way so he went to "cookie cutter VP choice" Biden.

You trying to imply that Biden is not a cookie cutter VP pick is laughable!
 
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rjd970 said:
Well, when you get behind a "real keyboard" I would be happy to debate the qualifying experience of Palin.
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The major qualifier today is ability to motivate the Republican base of support to vote for the actual candidate for president, centrist John McCain.

All those you mentioned would have never helped McCain get that done because of the media love affair with Obama.

The choice of Palin broke that off nearly immediately and was the best executive decision McCain has likely ever made, given that his mission is to keep the WH in R hands.

Mince it, cut it, slice it any way you would like regarding qualifications, but all resume' items are moot if they're sitting at home watching a neo-socialist at the helm. Frankly, I don't understand why it's so hard for you. If qualifications matter, you're not voting for the other ticket anyway.
 
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