McCollough cleared to play per Trey Wallace

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sjt18 said:
@VFL-82-JP Do you remember the names of those who pushed the "he must be guilty" narrative? I don't usually go back and hammer people for past bad opinions but this is a special case. I simply argued that we needed to wait to see what all the facts were and that there were some inconsistencies in what the guy said. One poster was SURE JM was guilty because he had had the "exact" same thing happen to him.
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Didn't you know? Drunk people are never aggressive and always honest. Get with it man.
 
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DaddyChad said:
To be fair I’m sure there’s some grey area BUT I knew the guys story was bs about entering then leaving right away.
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Yeah, that's the thing that blew my mind. Sure the guy may have remembered the pain from being hit, but if he was so drunk as to not even know where he was, he probably remembered VERY little that actually happened or what he said/did.
 
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sjt18 said:
My particular irritation was with one guy who declared guilt after filling in the missing details with his own experience. He conflated the two and assumed guilt because the events were "exactly the same".
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Yeah. Lot of people are ready to assume one thing or another. All of conspiracy theorizing and speculation and such that happens in both directions is unhelpful and can be harmful imho. Too many people assume guilt and are ready to ruin a kid before they know what happened.

I was going through one poster’s posts earlier because I suspected they might be a troll. Not looking for stuff about JM, but I saw a few posts where they basically said he was done, and gone. Like they knew what had happened, that he was guilty, and what the outcome was gonna to be. Still not sure if that one was in fact a troll, but definitely the bulk of their posts are negavol exponential.

On the flip side sometimes, sometimes people do what they are accused of, and assuming their accuser is lying and demonizing them is not fair either. When these things happen to our players I’m always hoping that they will be cleared and that the charges turn out to be unfounded.

I do think we need penalties for those who are found to have knowingly made up accusations that were not true. The process needs to play itself out, though.
 
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SickEmSmokey14 said:
Well, well, well, joevols89. I remember you were all but ready to sentence McCollough in the original thread due to the "victims" account of what happened without hearing the other side of the story.

Maybe you should let the facts come out before portraying someone as guilty of a serious crime. Or maybe you've discovered your calling as a prosecution attorney!
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Except I wasn’t, nice try though. Go back and read. I said he simply punched someone and he wouldn’t play till it was pleaded down or dropped.
 
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white65 said:
Everyone knew the guy was drunk, but how F'd up do you have to be to do that???

(Holding a bottle of vodka while giving a statement to the police)
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Not as unusual as you might think. Plenty of drunks find themselves talking to police while they are still hammered. Often the booze is right there with them.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Keeping your mouth shut until you have a lawyer is good advice for anyone, regardless of what happened, and how justified one may have been. It is easy for an errand word to be misconstrued by by people more interested getting wins than believing your side of things, especially when they already think you are guilty.
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If I can find the link I'll share it, but I got most of what I know about why to stay silent from an excellent presentation by a Regents University professor. The big takeaway is that in criminal cases your words can be used as evidence against you but nothing you say to a law enforcement officer can be used to improve your case. Anything evidence you can give can be given as testimony in court, so there isn't any particular reason to offer it before you have representation.
 
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WeNeedaQB said:
After reading this the DA office should be ashamed and reprimanded. Almost as if they are purposefully going after a UT player.
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No “almost” about it. Tuscaloosa PD laughs at their (non-kissing) cousin in Knoxville.
 
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kckempf said:
If I can find the link I'll share it, but I got most of what I know about why to stay silent from an excellent presentation by a Regents University professor. The big takeaway is that in criminal cases your words can be used as evidence against you but nothing you say to a law enforcement officer can be used to improve your case. Anything evidence you can give can be given as testimony in court, so there isn't any particular reason to offer it before you have representation.
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It’s even in the Miranda rights. That whole “can and will be used against you thing.” I’m pro-law enforcement, and mostly think they do a good job, and are very necessary, but just because you are innocent doesn’t mean they will see the situation that way. Your words can easily be misinterpreted or even misconstrued because someone has already decided you did it.
 
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This Guy said:
I don’t know how the DA can build a case around testimony with this tidbit in the report…
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Unless he has other witness statements contradicting WB and the girlfriends statement. My guess is this gets dropped though, unless the DA feels some need to make this long and painful for our guy.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm not sure how the guy didn't get arrested. He was publicly intoxicated and admitted to breaking and entering. A door doesn't have to be locked for that charge to apply. It's a felony when the dwelling is occupied.
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Precisely. In some places he'd have (rightfully) left in a body bag.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm not sure how the guy didn't get arrested. He was publicly intoxicated and admitted to breaking and entering. A door doesn't have to be locked for that charge to apply. It's a felony when the dwelling is occupied.
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Yeah, seems like even if his story had been true, and even if you discount him entering (not sure if it B&E or just trespassing), public intoxication is still usually good for a trip to the drunk tank still yeah? He probably needed to get his mouth looked at, but still…

I mean mostly drunks are left alone but walking around with an open bottle and being drunk enough you are accidentally entering apartments you aren’t welcome in seems like it should qualify..
 
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