McCollough cleared to play per Trey Wallace

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#76
This is the quote from Heupel's Thrusday press conference:
ON THE STATUS OF JAYLEN MCCOLLOUGH “Nah, you guys have heard me say earlier that he’s been cleared on the campus side of it. Whoever looks at that has decided that based on the evidence that they’ve cleared him. He’s been with us here the last week, so we’ll see.”
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Yeah, seems like even if his story had been true, and even if you discount him entering (not sure if it B&E or just trespassing), public intoxication is still usually good for a trip to the drunk tank still yeah? He probably needed to get his mouth looked at, but still…

I mean mostly drunks are left alone but walking around with an open bottle and being drunk enough you are accidentally entering apartments you aren’t welcome in seems like it should qualify..
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Breaking and entering is defined as entering a building without authorization through force, and pushing open an unlocked door has been determined to be the legal definition of force. If it's a dwelling and people are inside, it becomes a felony. Breaking and entering becomes burglary if you enter with intent to commit additional crimes.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Yeah. Lot of people are ready to assume one thing or another. All of conspiracy theorizing and speculation and such that happens in both directions is unhelpful and can be harmful imho. Too many people assume guilt and are ready to ruin a kid before they know what happened.

I was going through one poster’s posts earlier because I suspected they might be a troll. Not looking for stuff about JM, but I saw a few posts where they basically said he was done, and gone. Like they knew what had happened, that he was guilty, and what the outcome was gonna to be. Still not sure if that one was in fact a troll, but definitely the bulk of their posts are negavol exponential.

On the flip side sometimes, sometimes people do what they are accused of, and assuming their accuser is lying and demonizing them is not fair either. When these things happen to our players I’m always hoping that they will be cleared and that the charges turn out to be unfounded.

I do think we need penalties for those who are found to have knowingly made up accusations that were not true. The process needs to play itself out, though.
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The things I have learned from my brief time on here, is that the inside information is scarce and people like to make up crap 😂 Having worked in behavioral health.I said it in the thread, and I’ll say it again... when one party is on alcohol or drugs, their word and their recollection of events is kind of suspect.. that was the thread where someone said that I should apologize to my fifth grade teacher, because I had failed them.. in all actuality, they could not grasp my phrasing 😂.. still pi55es me off 😂
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That day didn't play out in seconds or minutes. It was hours.

From the incident at 3:30 or so, to the police rolling up somewhere around 5:30, that's a lot of time.

Time for McCollough and his roommate to remind each other, and the girlfriend, that they're not supposed to give testimony until they've gotten a lawyer.

Time for McCollough to be sure the invader isn't coming back, then head off to the dispensary to get his hand treated.

Time for Burrell and McCollough's girlfriend to agree all they would tell police is their names (including McCollough's). Which the initial police report reflected--that's all they said.

I'm certain the police did ask. Asked McCollough what happened. Asked Burrell. Asked the girlfriend. But it seems pretty clear that all three of them were following the directions the players have been given since joining the program: get a lawyer first, then tell your side.
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If that's the case CJH has sure drilled it into their heads well, which is encouraging.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Precisely. In some places he'd have (rightfully) left in a body bag.
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Yeah, Tennessee has decent self defense laws. On some states you can’t even use deadly if they assault you unless you believe your life is danger. If you shoot a an unarmed intruder who is pursuing you or who is even pummeling you, you can still be charged by a prosecutor who doesn’t understand how that dangerous that is or who wants to make an example out of you. In some places you have a duty to retreat. At least here we can defend ourselves in our own homes and not have to run away.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Breaking and entering is defined as entering a building without authorization through force, and pushing open an unlocked door has been determined to be the legal definition of force. If it's a dwelling and people are inside, it becomes a felony. Breaking and entering becomes burglary if you enter with intent to commit additional crimes.
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It was the unlocked aspect I wasn’t certain about. Makes sense though.
 
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utvolpj said:
So the officers at the scene had 2 eye witnesses that they decided not to interview? Witnesses who saw the entire episode? Good old kpd
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I'm sure the officers wanted to get statements from them. But if a person declines to provide testimony, not a lot a cop can do. Maybe put them on the rack and pull their shoulders out of joint, but that's about all.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I'm sure the officers wanted to get statements from them. But if a person declines to provide testimony, not a lot a cop can do. Maybe put them on the rack and pull their shoulders out of joint, but that's about all.
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Our guys have to have a number they can call day or night that will always be answering if a situation happens right? I wonder if everyone was acting on advice, thus the lack of statements.
 
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#86
A few fellas from that original McCollough thread are in for a butt whuppin'.

Hear how quiet it has gotten here? That's SJT and a few others slogging through the 61 pages of discussion, figuring out who were unfairly casting aspersions on our lads in orange.

Run, Ghostvol and joevol68, or whatever your names are, run! :)
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Our guys have to have a number they can call day or night that will always be answering if a situation happens right? I wonder if everyone was acting on advice, thus the lack of statements.
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That's a good question, idk. You'd think at least there would be an "on duty" phone passed around among the coaches. So the lads have someone they can reach out to any time. Probably not a lawyer on direct dial, but at least a coach who can bring the players and lawyers together and keep the young fellas calm in the meantime.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
That's a good question, idk. You'd think at least there would be an "on duty" phone passed around among the coaches. So the lads have someone they can reach out to any time. Probably not a lawyer on direct dial, but at least a coach who can bring the players and lawyers together and keep the young fellas calm in the meantime.
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If not, someone needs to set something like that up.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I'm sure the officers wanted to get statements from them. But if a person declines to provide testimony, not a lot a cop can do. Maybe put them on the rack and pull their shoulders out of joint, but that's about all.
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They were going to arrest his roommate/teammate and he didn't want to make a statement? I have a hard time buying that but maybe
 
#93
#93
Looks like from his attorney’s filings it’s a self defense case with supporting witnesses.

I got a lot of crap hurled at me in that thread for my stance on the issue so I’m currently feeling pretty good about the fact that my first post (#88) in that original thread was, “Is there any reason to think that this could be a case of self defense for Jaylen?”.
 
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F around with a Tank and found out
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KNS article seems to indicate nothing will change regarding McCollough's playing this week. Heupel said he was cleared by the school but it was the other part of the process they were waiting on. His next court date is Nov 18th. It may not be before then that he can play and that's according to how stubborn the DA is, though a judge may override them, it's not normal though for that to happen.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
KNS article seems to indicate nothing will change regarding McCollough's playing this week. Heupel said he was cleared by the school but it was the other part of the process they were waiting on. His next court date is Nov 18th. It may not be before then that he can play and that's according to how stubborn the DA is, though a judge may override them, it's not normal though for that to happen.
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Yeah at this point lawyer is trying to get as much in the public as possible to try to force them to speed this up since it’s apparent they are going to hold him out until they do something.
 
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Several of us said that the alleged Victim's side sounded suspect. This sounds much more plausible (and even if his side was correct. Its He Said She said and Jaylen has more Hes and Shes.)

I don't suspect he'll play till after the charges are dropped but its apparent the lawyer is trying to force the issue. Good Attorney.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
KNS article seems to indicate nothing will change regarding McCollough's playing this week. Heupel said he was cleared by the school but it was the other part of the process they were waiting on. His next court date is Nov 18th. It may not be before then that he can play and that's according to how stubborn the DA is, though a judge may override them, it's not normal though for that to happen.
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Tank’s attorney has filed paperwork requesting the hearing be moved up to before Nov 10th, hopefully it’ll happen on Nov 1st, to be within the legal window of 30 days from the first hearing on Oct 10th.
 
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