Meaningless bowl game

#51
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It’s far from meaningless. We only have 2 players that have decided to opt out at this point. Tillman has been battling injuries all year, he needs to. If Hyatt gets hurts then he drops in the draft. Even if Hyatt plays he not climbing in the draft any higher than what he is at right now. He is projected a 1st round pick. Tillman projected 2nd round. If Hooker was 100% I actually think Hooker plays and so does Hyatt. But it’s no secret that Milton isn’t Hooker and won’t help Hyatt draft stock in just 1 game. We have a deep WR room and will be ok. Tillman being out isn’t a big deal as he played in like 4 games this years. When Hyatt was banged up, White stepped in Mickey for him. Actually when Bru, White, Keaton was on the field at the same time the offense didn’t miss a beat.
But I was actually surprised Hyatt chose to opt out. He is 39 yards away from being the All -Time Single Season record hold for receiving yards. He would have gotten that the 1st quarter most likely. Him not going after the record is a selfless act with in itself. He could had very easily said I’m going for the record and once he got it he would opt out. What would you say then? He’s selfish and only cared about himself? I respect him for his decision and he made a good business decision.
Look at Hooker if you have any questions why to opt out. Hooker had a freak non-contact injury. Now that he has a torn ACL he will drop to the middle to back end of the draft now. He would have been drafted around 2nd round most likely if he don’t get hurt. Now he’s looking at a 3-5th round pick. No need to risk a multi million dollar contract and large sign on bonus for 1 game.
Ohio State had a back up running back to enter the portal today. A running back that had over 500 yards this season. It’s not only in bowl games, it’s also happening to current playoffs teams right now.
I get all the reasons why a player would opt-out but what I don't get is this idea that this bowl game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Go read the thread about Hyatt opting out and you might be surprised at just how many members stated that the game is meaningless etc. I simply do not understand that mentality. Every game matters and when it doesn't, what's the point?
 
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If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

 
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Was wondering how long it would take you.
 
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It's certainly meaningless when it has very little consequences other than continued upward trajectory and momentum going into next season. Yeah it would help a lot to win, but just getting to play in a bowl like this gives UT a chance to start out ranked pretty high next year, win or lose.

It's meaningless to those that have a huge opportunity to move up into the League and make generational money, other than maybe some love for your bros you're leaving behind and hope or them to continue their success and building the brand. Hyatt's legacy is cemented at UT, so there's nothing that changes that, even opting out.

On the other hand, It means a lot to a program like UT, considering it's been a quarter of a century since they've played in a bowl like this. It means a lot to a team and a fanbase that has tasted very little success in a very long time. THis is why its special to me. I have a hard time thinking it is special to those opting out since they chose to skip it, but I understand why.

I bet it has a lot less meaning to some of the fans and maybe some players at Clemson, considering they are out of the playoffs for the second year in a row. I bet it's hard for them to care as much as they would if they were in the playoffs. We have seen that hangover play out a few times in the past, and I hope it happens to them as well as Bammer in New Orleans!

Context is definitely important on something like this.
 
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If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.
15 extra practices

EE’s getting some valuable college practice and environmental orientation

Rewards for the team for a job well done

Your opinion is basically “if you are not winning the championship, why play?
 
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Cute meme. Do you have anything useful to add? Any words of millennial, progressive wisdom? Surely you have some new-age concept that will validate the devaluation of this meaningless bowl game.
In the grand scheme, all games are meaningless. However, in this case, a dude wants to protect his livelihood instead of playing in a bowl game against Clemson. I see nothing wrong with that. I’d almost assuredly do the same if I were in his position.

And you think I’m a progressive? No, I’m just a realist that understands that the game will continue to evolve. Just like the game that I grew up watching in the 90s was a vastly different product than college football of the 60s, 70s, and even 80s.
 
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"Meaningless" is too strong of a word. But it's not exactly ultra important either. Getting the bid is probably bigger than actually winning it.

It's not like bowl games outside of playoff/national title games have a great track record of determining success or not.
 
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Never understand this take. By that definition under the BCS we only had one meaningful game and under this system only 3. It’s nonsense.
I think he’s saying from the players perspective because like you said, has the season been merely reduced to 4 teams and 2 games? To me it hasn’t, I’m still pumped for bowl games and am elated that we earned a NY6 bowl which we haven’t been to in 23 years. However, like the OP, I’m disgruntled by the opt-out philosophy and the “meaningless” attached to it by players across the country. If this game is meaningless then why play the Vandy game if you’re Hyatt? Why play if you’re Bryce Young post LSU, when your season was pretty much written? My point isn’t Hyatt specific, it goes for all teams and players who opt out. I spent $900 on OB tickets and will spend plenty more to get to Miami only to see a shell of our team and a shell of Clemson’s team.

I spoke with a friend and former roommate of mine from Clemson and he’s in the same boat. They have 2 top 15-20 guys that I know of who have already opted out. I’ll still go and I’ll still enjoy it (assuming we win) but it’s won’t be the same and it’s already not with the fervor that it was on selection Sunday.
 
#62
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Bowl games have always been cash cows. If they want to keep star athletes engaged and want them to play in their games; they are going to have to incentivize them to do so. The bowl sponsors should be using NIL to promote their products and the athletes playing in the game. This opt out **** stops the second they realize more fans will tune in and actually engage their products if our players are involved and endorsing them. There is an untapped opportunity here.
Why? Kids played in bowl games for a 100 years without a financial incentive. This has only become a phenomenon in the last 5-10 years and it leans towards the shorter side of that range.
 
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I think he’s saying from the players perspective because like you said, has the season been merely reduced to 4 teams and 2 games? To me it hasn’t, I’m still pumped for bowl games and am elated that we earned a NY6 bowl which we haven’t been to in 23 years. However, like the OP, I’m disgruntled by the opt-out philosophy and the “meaningless” attached to it by players across the country. If this game is meaningless then why play the Vandy game if you’re Hyatt? Why play if you’re Bryce Young post LSU, when your season was pretty much written? My point isn’t Hyatt specific, it goes for all teams and players who opt out. I spent $900 on OB tickets and will spend plenty more to get to Miami only to see a shell of our team and a shell of Clemson’s team.

I spoke with a friend and former roommate of mine from Clemson and he’s in the same boat. They have 2 top 15-20 guys that I know of who have already opted out. I’ll still go and I’ll still enjoy it (assuming we win) but it’s won’t be the same and it’s already not with the fervor that it was on selection Sunday.

I think the difference is the time frame. The bowl season and the season in general is too long. Playing in October/November is one thing, but if you need to prepare for the draft, early January is very different
 
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Define meaningful? What makes it lack meaning

Exactly

Something different for different folks that’s what I said.

definitely meaningful to those who play. I don’t think it has a lot of meaning to the overall situation of the program……..won’t really change anything.

Lacking some meaning (just my opinion):
All players don’t play, including many of the best players.

Since the BCS and with a playoff there isn’t any “maybe”…..if this happens or that. We know who has a chance.

The team you see in the bowl is NOT the team you will see next year………because of the transfer portal.

You playing to be the “orange bowl champion”……or Music City bowl champion.

Your normal season is over, can’t improve on conference standing or anything like that


As a Tennessee fan……every bowl is awesome. An Orange bowl is extremely meaningful to “me” as just a fan. Just not in the overall grand scheme of things.
 
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The game can still mean something, yet not have enough meaning to risk your NFL future.

It means a hell of a lot for the schools because of the added revenue, to the coaches because of the extra practices and the chance to get a jump start on next year, to the kids, some of whom will be playing their last organized ball, and others who are getting a chance to shine under the bright lights for the first time, and finally to fans who don't take the whole thing too seriously because it's one more chance to see some UT football.

The fans who are all up in arms over kids opting out are usually more concerned with bragging rights and trash talk on social media than anything else, so they put a level of importance on a bowl game that just isn't there.
 
#66
#66
I think the difference is the time frame. The bowl season and the season in general is too long. Playing in October/November is one thing, but if you need to prepare for the draft, early January is very different
But bowls have always been at the same time outside of the CFB playoff final.
 
#67
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I think he’s saying from the players perspective because like you said, has the season been merely reduced to 4 teams and 2 games? To me it hasn’t, I’m still pumped for bowl games and am elated that we earned a NY6 bowl which we haven’t been to in 23 years. However, like the OP, I’m disgruntled by the opt-out philosophy and the “meaningless” attached to it by players across the country. If this game is meaningless then why play the Vandy game if you’re Hyatt? Why play if you’re Bryce Young post LSU, when your season was pretty much written? My point isn’t Hyatt specific, it goes for all teams and players who opt out. I spent $900 on OB tickets and will spend plenty more to get to Miami only to see a shell of our team and a shell of Clemson’s team.

I spoke with a friend and former roommate of mine from Clemson and he’s in the same boat. They have 2 top 15-20 guys that I know of who have already opted out. I’ll still go and I’ll still enjoy it (assuming we win) but it’s won’t be the same and it’s already not with the fervor that it was on selection Sunday.
Exactly, but to your point. The game has to have meaning and value and when fans start excepting it as "meaningless" what do you have? What's really amazing is that one year ago we would have been crazy excited about going to the Orange Bowl, now everyone is simply assuming that we will be one of the playoff teams next year and that this is nothing more than a meaningless oh well bowl game.
 
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If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.
Some players get really pumped about bowl games, others don't want to take a risk on a game that doesn't win a championship, especially if they have no chance of improving their draft stock. If our goal is a championship, it can even be a good thing, because we get a month of extra practices for Squirrel in his position full time. For Hyatt he'll gain a lot more from training, because he's not getting any more prepared for the Draft Combine by playing in this game.

Bowl games have been meaningless for a long time, I don't mind that the players admit it.
 
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#69
Never understand this take. By that definition under the BCS we only had one meaningful game and under this system only 3. It’s nonsense.
The sports animal has a staff member or two that believe bowl games are meaningless, and I think we should start a petition to have those employees taken out back and shot, and then charge the family for the bullets before overturning their remains.
 
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The sports animal has a staff member or two that believe bowl games are meaningless, and I think we should start a petition to have those employees taken out back and shot, and then charge the family for the bullets before overturning their remains.

Yeah, I never listen to them. Outside of VQ, we don’t have a lot of radio/podcasts that are worth the time
 
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If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.


Solid post and new thread.

Definitely not rehashing the same ish that's already been said here:
Would you be in favor of a CFB overhaul?

or here:
Where do you stand on players opting out of post-season games (with no injuries) to "prepare for the draft"?

or here:
So do we have a for sure list of opt outs?

Or here:
Hyatt opts out of Orange bowl - headed to NFL

Or here:
Tillman not playing in the Orange Bowl
 
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15 extra practices

EE’s getting some valuable college practice and environmental orientation

Rewards for the team for a job well done

Your opinion is basically “if you are not winning the championship, why play?
LOL no. Just the opposite. If you have read the thread about Hyatt opting out you will see many posters stating that the bowl game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage to justify the reason why he opted out. I am being facetious and making a point as to why it's an ignorant statement. Can't understand that logic or mentality.
 
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15 extra practices

EE’s getting some valuable college practice and environmental orientation

Rewards for the team for a job well done

Your opinion is basically “if you are not winning the championship, why play?

And a nice paycheck for teams and conferences….
 
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Thanks for that insightful reply. It's awesome that you took the time to actually find the threads, copy and paste each of them for our review than to just ignore this thread altogether.
 
#75
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Exactly, but to your point. The game has to have meaning and value and when fans start excepting it as "meaningless" what do you have? What's really amazing is that one year ago we would have been crazy excited about going to the Orange Bowl, now everyone is simply assuming that we will be one of the playoff teams next year and that this is nothing more than a meaningless oh well bowl game.
What fans are accepting it as meaningless? I think y’all are confusing his stance. It’s not meaningless to the fans so we can’t comprehend why it is to the players when nothing has changed with the playoff, regarding the status of bowl games, outside of it. All bowl games except for the BCSCG could’ve been labeled meaningless just 8 years ago, because if you’re in those games you’re not playing for a title. Yet, graduating players or guys leaving early, didn’t look at them as meaningless in mass, they still played. I think the risk of getting hurt is way overblown and if that’s the logic then sit out all games vs. weak opponents where you’re not needed, or sit out the last 25% of the season if you’re team is already out of the playoff running . I like Byron Young and Darnell Wright’s mindset, that we haven’t been to one of these in a long time, them as players have never been and they’re going to go out and play it and soak up the experience.
 

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