Meaningless bowl game

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Boston Vol said:
In the grand scheme, all games are meaningless. However, in this case, a dude wants to protect his livelihood instead of playing in a bowl game against Clemson. I see nothing wrong with that. I’d almost assuredly do the same if I were in his position.

And you think I’m a progressive? No, I’m just a realist that understands that the game will continue to evolve. Just like the game that I grew up watching in the 90s was a vastly different product than college football of the 60s, 70s, and even 80s.
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Then why play vs. Vandy? What did he gain? Wasn’t he at risk of getting hurt, especially on a wet, artificial field? Why was the game of value or meaning more than this one?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I totally understand why guys opt out.

However, it makes it a little harder to justify $2000+/pp to make the trip to watch our team missing some of our best playmakers, by their own choice.
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This has my issue with expansion for awhile. Many claim it will generate more revenue, but I think it would greatly water down the product and diminish the product by making every other game of less value
 
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In the 60s there were 9 bowl games. Fans thought the games were more important then because the best team from one conference would play the best team from another conference like the Rose Bowl. The bowl games frequently had a bearing on the National Championship or at least it gave fans something to argue about.

Now there are about 45 bowl games. ESPN wants bowl games to fill their December schedule and is paying for these games even though the stadiums are less than half full for many of these games. Cities want these games to bring in money to the area. Most of the games are played by slightly above average teams now. I’ll watch a couple of these Bowl games because the may be entertaining but it means nothing to me who wins. I hope Tennessee wins because I am a fan. Bowl games have some meaning especially to those making money and the players for the extra practice.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
What fans are accepting it as meaningless? I think y’all are confusing his stance. It’s not meaningless to the fans so we can’t comprehend why it is to the players when nothing has changed with the playoff, regarding the status of bowl games, outside of it. All bowl games except for the BCSCG could’ve been labeled meaningless just 8 years ago, because if you’re in those games you’re not playing for a title. Yet, graduating players or guys leaving early, didn’t look at them as meaningless in mass, they still played. I think the risk of getting hurt is way overblown and if that’s the logic then sit out all games vs. weak opponents where you’re not needed, or sit out the last 25% of the season if you’re team is already out of the playoff running . I like Byron Young and Darnell Wright’s mindset, that we haven’t been to one of these in a long time, them as players have never been and they’re going to go out and play it and soak up the experience.
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I'm agreeing with you. My whole goal of starting this thread was to get an understanding of why fans have come to the conclusion that this game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Several posters made that argument (that it is a meaningless game) in the thread about Hyatt opting out and why he should. The idea that its meaningless is ridiculous.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.
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Your existentialism is off the charts
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
I'm agreeing with you. My whole goal of starting this thread was to get an understanding of why fans have come to the conclusion that this game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Several posters made that argument (that it is a meaningless game) in the thread about Hyatt opting out and why he should. The idea that its meaningless is ridiculous.
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My bad I didn’t even realize I was responding to the OP 🤣
 
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For those of you who are complaining because of the original post, if we were to lose this game and end up outside of the top 10 for the year - don't complain because our final ranking doesn't really reflect what the team accomplished. These games do matter in terms of final ranking of this year and starting point for next year.

All we can hope for is that Clemson also has some key players from this year's team that opt out as well.
 
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And while yes there are a lot of bowls - this is one of the top bowls with the intent of having two of the best teams outside of the playoffs. That is more important than a Vandy game which could have been won with backups at many positions.

If we lose, Clemson continues to have the upper hand in the same recruiting areas of the country. That should matter to everyone given they were able in the past to get some of the best players from Tennessee high schools.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

Edit: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
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No game is meaningless, they keep score for a reason. The guys that are on the field don’t think it’s meaningless. It might be meaningless to you, if so then don’t watch it.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
Why? Kids played in bowl games for a 100 years without a financial incentive. This has only become a phenomenon in the last 5-10 years and it leans towards the shorter side of that range.
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Doesn’t matter when it started. It’s a different game today and there is too much money involved. Ultimately, players are opting to sit earlier and earlier every year and there isn’t a darn thing the coaches or universities can do about it.
 
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ptgrbn said:
Your existentialism is off the charts
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Do you mean this:
  1. a philosophical theory or approach which emphasizes the existence of the individual person as a free and responsible agent determining their own development through acts of the will.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

Edit: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
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An extra chance to watch UT play, especially this team (albeit minus a few folks)..I'll take it!
 
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CINCYVOL said:
No game is meaningless, they keep score for a reason. The guys that are on the field don’t think it’s meaningless. It might be meaningless to you, if so then don’t watch it.
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Did you read the whole post? I mean the part where I literally stated: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

Edit: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
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#93
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overseasorange2 said:
Most of them just actually suck. ;)
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They suck cuz they're all forced to be politically correct now. Gotta have a certain percentage of every race creed and color no matter what. Can't say jokes that were acceptable just 10 years ago. Gotta learn to laugh at ourselves and embrace our differences instead of force feeding this "were all the same" nonsense. Were not all the same...that's what makes us interesting. Everybody's so quick to be "offended" and that has spread to TV and a big reason it "sucks."
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

Edit: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
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You're going to receive kickback and an abundance of smarta** responses but I agree with you wholeheartedly and the fact so many on this board seem to be so unconcerned is disappointing.
 
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I’m very excited about the Orange Bowl it’s great for the kids and Coaches . If somebody decides they don’t want to play I’m cool with that, people leave their jobs everyday to pursue another job in the same field that pays more money. You do what’s best for you and your family. Clemson also has some opt outs declaring for draft that are starters on their defensive side.
I think it’s going to be a close game . Hope the kids come away with the W.
 
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JBVolunteer said:
Doesn’t matter when it started. It’s a different game today and there is too much money involved. Ultimately, players are opting to sit earlier and earlier every year and there isn’t a darn thing the coaches or universities can do about it.
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The NFL money is not drastically different today than 5 yrs ago.
 
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VAWL FAN said:
You're going to receive kickback and an abundance of smarta** responses but I agree with you wholeheartedly and the fact so many on this board seem to be so unconcerned is disappointing.
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I just don't get this mentality that it's meaningless etc and so on. I don't know maybe I'm just old school, but every game has meaning and when it doesn't it's a useless activity. Competing and effort has to have purpose.
 
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