Meaningless bowl game

#101
#101
FLSTF-VOL said:
I just don't get this mentality that it's meaningless etc and so on. I don't know maybe I'm just old school, but every game has meaning and when it doesn't it's a useless activity. Competing and effort has to have purpose.
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I really believe it's the younger posters who feel bowl games are meaningless.
 
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personally, the biggest thing that bothers me about opting out is that Tennessee is sitting here at #6 and if they had a full team, i think the clemson game would be a really good game. now, with all the opt outs, i dunno how close it will be. so, if you get boat raced by dabo, who doesnt mind piling it on when he sees you are down, this could be a season where you finish #10-15 at best depending on who else wins their game. so, what i would really like to see in this new age of bowl games is the poll from the last week freeze the teams who are ranked #5-25. That is where they are going to finish in the final poll. Then the 4 playoff teams get ranked #1-championship game winner. #2-championship game loser. TIE FOR #3-the two losers of the semifinals. Then the bowl games can be what they truly are..exhibition games. And I would also make the voting window for the Heisman be between the last regular season game and the friday before the championship games
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
personally, the biggest thing that bothers me about opting out is that Tennessee is sitting here at #6 and if they had a full team, i think the clemson game would be a really good game. now, with all the opt outs, i dunno how close it will be. so, if you get boat raced by dabo, who doesnt mind piling it on when he sees you are down, this could be a season where you finish #10-15 at best depending on who else wins their game. so, what i would really like to see in this new age of bowl games is the poll from the last week freeze the teams who are ranked #5-25. That is where they are going to finish in the final poll. Then the 4 playoff teams get ranked #1-championship game winner. #2-championship game loser. TIE FOR #3-the two losers of the semifinals. Then the bowl games can be what they truly are..exhibition games. And I would also make the voting window for the Heisman be between the last regular season game and the friday before the championship games
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If we were at #15 and beat a #8 team in a bowl, you'd want to rethink that I bet.
 
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#107
Toucan Sam said:
Times are changing. There are way too many bowl games nowadays. I don't understand why players would opt out of a big game like the Orange Bowl but it is what it is. I am not sure how many players opt out of the college football playoff if any.
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because orange bowl champ doesn’t mean anything. kids don’t opt out of the playoffs, because in their minds the playoffs have meaning.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Exactly, but to your point. The game has to have meaning and value and when fans start excepting it as "meaningless" what do you have? What's really amazing is that one year ago we would have been crazy excited about going to the Orange Bowl, now everyone is simply assuming that we will be one of the playoff teams next year and that this is nothing more than a meaningless oh well bowl game.
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yeah last year it would have been a playoff game.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This has my issue with expansion for awhile. Many claim it will generate more revenue, but I think it would greatly water down the product and diminish the product by making every other game of less value
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How? And what do you mean "every other game"?
 
#110
#110
FLSTF-VOL,You play the "meaningless"game because you are still at UT.You play because it is you,your teammates and your school.Those who can go into the League,do so.We are proud of you.FLSTF,You are the only meaningless thing on this board.Just go away.The Orange color players and we wear hasn't faded to the yellow that your back shows.
 
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#111
A lot of these ‘Seniors should play bowls games’ knowing that they can risk losing millions & career in potential injury would be the first ones to bubble wrap the player if it was their kid. The irrational fanbase assumes the players owe us but they dont so lets just shut up and enjoy the orange bowl, a prize of hard work of players throughout the season.
 
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vols 30 said:
I really believe it's the younger posters who feel bowl games are meaningless.
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I don't think it's so much that it's meaningless, it's just that for about a 100 years the fans were force fed an archiac system that we were told was "better" and it wasn't. The bowl "system" and how FBS/D-1A determined a national champion for the better part of the last century was just idiotic, to the point that it almost didn't mean anything since so many teams could claim God knows how many national titles.

It wasn't until the 90s that they even attempted to put a system in place to match #1 and #2 in a bowl game/national title game. I don't consider myself part of the "younger posters" but I'm old enough to barely remember the 1985 Vols and even then I thought it was stupid that we won the Sugar Bowl but didn't get to keep playing towards a National Title. I mean before the game Miami was saying they should be considered for the National Champion; we beat them so what about us? Oh we get the Sugar Bowl and a pat on the head for doing a good job.

So I see it as older generations are clinging to a "system" that they were beaten over the head was the best and it was just not true at all. It was always mostly stupid. On top of that, if anything made bowl games "meaningless" it's the expanding the regular season to 12 games and making it so every 6-6 team gets a bowl. As I said, I'm old enough to remember when you weren't even guaranteed a bowl spot with 7 or 8 wins, depending on who you were and what conference you were in.
 
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CFB bureaucrats have done this. We should be in year 10 of a 16 team playoff. These are the same idiots that got embarrassed in front of the SCOTUS. Complete incompetence
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
personally, the biggest thing that bothers me about opting out is that Tennessee is sitting here at #6 and if they had a full team, i think the clemson game would be a really good game. now, with all the opt outs, i dunno how close it will be. so, if you get boat raced by dabo, who doesnt mind piling it on when he sees you are down, this could be a season where you finish #10-15 at best depending on who else wins their game. so, what i would really like to see in this new age of bowl games is the poll from the last week freeze the teams who are ranked #5-25. That is where they are going to finish in the final poll. Then the 4 playoff teams get ranked #1-championship game winner. #2-championship game loser. TIE FOR #3-the two losers of the semifinals. Then the bowl games can be what they truly are..exhibition games. And I would also make the voting window for the Heisman be between the last regular season game and the friday before the championship games
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The bowls should not count towards any rankings, and I'd argue should not count towards seasonal statistics or W-L. They should stand on their own as a reward for a successful season that benefits the schools with extra revenue and coaches with extra practices. That's quite good enough.
 
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vols 30 said:
I really believe it's the younger posters who feel bowl games are meaningless.
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I'm not sure that anyone used the word 'meaningless', but instead exhibition. There is a difference. How can a game be meaningless that brings revenue to the schools, allows coaches weeks of vital extra practices, and allows many seniors to step on a football field for the final time in their lives while providing opportunities for young players to shine and build toward next season? Sounds pretty meaningful to me.

What they should not do is affect rankings, season statistics, or a teams W-L record.
 
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I get why some would think it’s me ai guess, but I’m my 35 plus years of watching Vol sports, I can tell you that every single game had meaning to me. We only get so many chances to see the orange and white, I’ll enjoy if the walk on are playing.
 
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I'm from a previous era. I remember the UT "team of destiny" that fought #2 Miami in the Sugar Bowl to an incredible victory. I remember all those Citrus Bowl beat-downs put on by UT. I remember UT's crushing of a top 10 Arkansas team in the Cotton Bowl. Who could forget the BCS championship game the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl? I also remember the loss to Penn State with Manning at QB, lost to K-State in the Cotton Bowl among others. My first game was the UT's win at the Liberty Bowl in '74 against Maryland. I was 11 years old and nearly froze my butt off that December night in Memphis. Of course, in those days, the rise to a National Championship rested on the outcome of bowl games. Now, not so much. They're a glimpse of what we'll see in August (baring the transfer portal). It's fun but in the grand scheme of things - not full of too much meaning to the fans. Players and coaches - yes. Fans - not too much (JMHO)
 
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sami said:
I'm not sure that anyone used the word 'meaningless', but instead exhibition. There is a difference. How can a game be meaningless that brings revenue to the schools, allows coaches weeks of vital extra practices, and allows many seniors to step on a football field for the final time in their lives while providing opportunities for young players to shine and build toward next season? Sounds pretty meaningful to me.

What they should not do is affect rankings, season statistics, or a teams W-L record.
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This man agrees with your belief.

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#123
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FLSTF-VOL said:
If the Orange Bowl is nothing more than a meaningless game, why watch it? Why play it? Why should we be excited about it? I mean why should any of these NFL-ready seniors or underclassmen play? If it's so easy for these players to simply opt-out and not compete why play the games? Who wants to watch a glorified scrimmage between teams playing "the next man up"? Why would I want to spend thousands of dollars to go see a game that is meaningless? Why would I want to invest in the season knowing that it won't matter unless we make the playoffs? I don't really want to see the stars of tomorrow, I can see them next year. I want to see the stars of today.

We haven't been to a bowl game of this caliber for more than a decade, but it's meaningless.

Edit: For the love of god! I am being facetious here! Of course, I think it has meaning. This was in response to several posters claiming that the game is meaningless or nothing more than a glorified scrimmage in the Hyatt opt-out thread.
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It should mean something, I always thought it was a point of pride to beat other conferences and schools you wouldn't play during the season. It's been so watered now now, it seems no one cares. Yet if we lose, the samecpeople down playing the bowl will complain about us losing.
 
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There’s how many bowl games now? Again outside of the playoff bowls the bowls are basically the exhibition games at this point.
 
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