Medical Treatment Options (The off-season Friday night completely off topic thread)

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LOL..............what you are doing is called rationalization. It helps many justify their addiction.

National Study Shows "Gateway" Drugs Lead to Cocaine Use


This is interesting:

CASA's analysis reveals:

Children who use marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine than non-marijuana users. (Ninety percent of children who used marijuana smoked or drank first.)
 
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Of the group abusing these drugs, about 57 percent had used alcohol, 56 percent had smoked cigarettes and 34 percent had used marijuana.
 
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MedicT said:
Good morning everyone. After a very long shift it is time to turn in but I wanted to drop by with a little more information. I played a little game last night as I came into contact with several hard core drug users. One commonality among them stood out. Every single one of them was a pot smoker also. And not only that, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM started with guess what, POT.

That says it all. I'm done with this one, I have to deal with too many druggies face to face to listen a bunch of losers on here. Gonna sleep about 12 hours with no drugs needed.
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How many drank alcohol or smoked cigarettes? Of course you'll likely ignore this question again but drugs deemed legal by a govt attempt any better for you. Unless you wish to ban them all your stance is extremely inconsistent
 
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MedicT said:
Yale study: Marijuana may really be gateway drug - Connecticut Post

We can play that game until the end of time. Well after I get some sleep anyway.
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Re-branding cannabis: the next generation of chronic pain medicine? - PubMed - NCBI

SUMMARY  The field of pain medicine is at a crossroads given the epidemic of addiction and overdose deaths from prescription opioids. Cannabis and its active ingredients, cannabinoids, are a much safer therapeutic option. Despite being slowed by legal restrictions and stigma, research continues to show that when used appropriately, cannabis is safe and effective for many forms of chronic pain and other conditions, and has no overdose levels. Current literature indicates many chronic pain patients could be treated with cannabis alone or with lower doses of opioids. To make progress, cannabis needs to be re-branded as a legitimate medicine and rescheduled to a more pharmacologically justifiable class of compounds. This paper discusses the data supporting re-branding and rescheduling of cannabis.
 
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LOL........Now I challenge you to go back and tell me where I told anyone to stop anything.

Actually we are getting close to usual end game in these threads. That will be when the drug users suddenly announce that they disregard all studies they disagree with.
 
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MedicT said:
LOL........Now I challenge you to go back and tell me where I told anyone to stop anything.

Actually we are getting close to usual end game in these threads. That will be when the drug users suddenly announce that they disregard all studies they disagree with.
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Negative, you are the one disregarding information and research, hanging your hat on the bogus "gateway" claim. As the article I linked stated. Somebody who rode a bicycle as a child was 104 times more likely to join a motorcycle gang. So are bicycles a gateway to gang affiliation?
 
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utvolpj said:
You support the govt doing it for you which is the same thing.
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I suppose that is what I find as a positive however, I think the current governmental support for the pro pot movement is simply more "dumbing down" of the citizenry.
 
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MedicT said:
I suppose that is what I find as a positive however, I think the current governmental support for the pro pot movement is simply more "dumbing down" of the citizenry.
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Worse substances are already legal and easily accessible. Of course you ignore those in your quest to demonize pot. It's pretty clear you don't really understand what you're arguing. Maybe that's the result of those dumbing down worry you reference? Or maybe it's simply lazy citizens willing to give politicians the power to control their lives. Politicians who are getting rich off your compliance
 
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I like how when I respond to your claims you rarely ever respond to me. The gateway claim is misconstrued. You could find a "gateway" to just about anything you want. Did you see my quote about the bicycles? In your own link, of the pain pill abusers, 57 percent drank alcohol, 56 smoked ciggeretes, and 34 smoked pot.
 
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utvolpj said:
Worse substances are already legal and easily accessible. Of course you ignore those in your quest to demonize pot. It's pretty clear you don't really understand what you're arguing. Maybe that's the result of those dumbing down worry you reference?
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That is the argument of a child. "Johnny did it so why can't I?"
 
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MedicT said:
That is the argument of a child. "Johnny did it so why can't I?"
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That was not my argument at all. You're stance is simply not founded in fact. If you're against such dangerous substances being in the hands of citizens then you should want to remove them all. Why continue to allow worse ones to be available at every convenience store around the country while banning some less harmful ones?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Why not replace marijuana for as many prescription drugs as possible? I will never understand the argument against that.
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Very good, now we come back around to the original question. I think it is the negative effects of recreational use that hinder the real research necessary to find and approve or disprove further application. I fully understand its popularity as an intoxicant for those so inclined. A fair evaluation would also have to look at the huge revenue stream of the illicit drug market and its impact upon any legitament usage.
 
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MedicT said:
Very good, now we come back around to the original question. I think it is the negative effects of recreational use that hinder the real research necessary to find and approve or disprove further application. I fully understand its popularity as an intoxicant for those so inclined. A fair evaluation would also have to look at the huge revenue stream of the illicit drug market and its impact upon any legitament usage.
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So tell me one more time, what exactly are those negative effects? Because I smoked before going to dinner last night, and I didn't wake up hungover, I didn't crash the car on the way home, I didn't get drunk and beat my wife...so just curious as to how I'm negatively effected today?

I'll wait...
 
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VolAllen said:
So tell me one more time, what exactly are those negative effects? Because I smoked before going to dinner last night, and I didn't wake up hungover, I didn't crash the car on the way home, I didn't get drunk and beat my wife...so just curious as to how I'm negatively effected today?

I'll wait...
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Call the FDA.....tell them you want your dope by prescription. Good luck.
 
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MedicT said:
Very good, now we come back around to the original question. I think it is the negative effects of recreational use that hinder the real research necessary to find and approve or disprove further application. I fully understand its popularity as an intoxicant for those so inclined. A fair evaluation would also have to look at the huge revenue stream of the illicit drug market and its impact upon any legitament usage.
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The revenue stream is already there. Why not regulate and control and put that money back into America instead of the cartels?
 
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MedicT said:
Good morning everyone. After a very long shift it is time to turn in but I wanted to drop by with a little more information. I played a little game last night as I came into contact with several hard core drug users. One commonality among them stood out. Every single one of them was a pot smoker also. And not only that, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM started with guess what, POT.

That says it all. I'm done with this one, I have to deal with too many druggies face to face to listen a bunch of losers on here. Gonna sleep about 12 hours with no drugs needed.
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So you asked all of them what drug they started using first?
 
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MedicT said:
Very good, now we come back around to the original question. I think it is the negative effects of recreational use that hinder the real research necessary to find and approve or disprove further application. I fully understand its popularity as an intoxicant for those so inclined. A fair evaluation would also have to look at the huge revenue stream of the illicit drug market and its impact upon any legitament usage.
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Look at the immensely larger revenue stream of legal pharms. Who has more to lose in these debates?
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
I like how when I respond to your claims you rarely ever respond to me. The gateway claim is misconstrued. You could find a "gateway" to just about anything you want. Did you see my quote about the bicycles? In your own link, of the pain pill abusers, 57 percent drank alcohol, 56 smoked ciggeretes, and 34 smoked pot.
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No wonder medicare and medicaid costs are so high.
 
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MedicT said:
I suppose that is what I find as a positive however, I think the current governmental support for the pro pot movement is simply more "dumbing down" of the citizenry.
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You are the one who is "dumbed down." Do some research. Stop painting with a broad brush. Why are you okay with worse substances being completely legal? Have you ever drank alcohol? Alcohol is infinitely worse for your health than marijuana.
 
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