Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

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Ernest T. Vol said:
You asked me a question. I answered. The locker rooms already are separated based on gender and perceived sexual preference. I ask the question now, will they continue to be when sexual preference is known?
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Locker rooms are not segregated based upon sexual preference, known or perceived. I find it hard to believe that the management of any facility aren't aware that there is an almost 100% chance of a gay man or woman making use of their facilities alongside their straight counterparts. I'm not aware of any facility that makes any attempt to separate the gays from the straights.

Separating men from women in an otherwise compromising situation is not about sexual preference.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Then based on your opinion, it should be almost impossible for a family raising two children in the church to have one child who is straight and another who's gay.
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I've seen that happen. Not saying it cant. The instance I know like this goes as follows:

Absentee father who was a known cheater.

Over medicated mother with bi-polar disorder and a drinking problem due to depression.

One gay son who graduated from high school and moved to the west coast the very next day.

One straight daughter who married my friend, continued on the path of acholosim and was filing for divorce on Monday morning. She was ran over by a car at 10:45pm the Sunday night before after running out of booze and attempting to walk to the store for more since she could not drive due to the Smart Start that was court ordered in her car.

Just your normal family.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
But it would be your environment and that dictates your sexuality.
Right?
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Environment is not dictated just by who is physically present. It also incompasses the tragedies, spoken word of advice, religious teachings, and social interactions with others.

Lock two dudes in a room and expect them to become gay is absurd. Prison rape is common I know, but I dont believe all convicts are gay.
 
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bamawriter said:
Locker rooms are not segregated based upon sexual preference, known or perceived. I find it hard to believe that the management of any facility aren't aware that there is an almost 100% chance of a gay man or woman making use of their facilities alongside their straight counterparts. I'm not aware of any facility that makes any attempt to separate the gays from the straights.

Separating men from women in an otherwise compromising situation is not about sexual preference.
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What is the compromising situation about?
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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I respect your opinion, but counter with the experience of my partner and I. We were both raised in loving Christian families. My partner's father is a minister and he was actually in seminary when we met. I fought and prayed for years, yet I never became heterosexual. I think if you had any idea what life was/is like for so many gay people your perspective might change. Just because you cannot personally relate to something does not make it any less real. I do understand, though, as homosexuality is so foreign and unimaginable for someone who is heterosexual. I'm sure it's very difficult for many.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What message is all this sending, other than your kids calling into question the role of religion in this discussion?

I'm of the opinion the Bible is all or nothing. If you're a Fundamentalist and believe every word, I can accept that moreso than people who pick and choose which passage supports their belief for the sake of convenience.
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I believe it is sending the message to children that’s its perfectly normal for a man to have sex with another man. You may support gay rights but when it’s time to have the birds and bee’s talk with your son are you going to tell him it’s fine to have sex with another man?
I too believe the Bible is all or nothing. I believe every word and I don’t pick and choose passages to support my beliefs. I understand that someone who is not a Christian may not care what the Bible has to say on this matter which is why I didn’t quote passages.
Sin is sin regardless of the action and we will all have to answer for it one day.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I've seen that happen. Not saying it cant. The instance I know like this goes as follows:

Absentee father who was a known cheater.

Over medicated mother with bi-polar disorder and a drinking problem due to depression.

One gay son who graduated from high school and moved to the west coast the very next day.

One straight daughter who married my friend, continued on the path of acholosim and was filing for divorce on Monday morning. She was ran over by a car at 10:45pm the Sunday night before after running out of booze and attempting to walk to the store for more since she could not drive due to the Smart Start that was court ordered in her car.

Just your normal family.
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Well, here is a story about a family I know.

Mother and father are together and happily married. Father has a well paying job and a good relationship with his son and daughter. They are a prominent family in the church they attend. The son is very active in the church while growing up. Then, when he turns eighteen, he stands before the church and his family and announces he is gay. The family shuns him and the church bans him.

True story
 
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dblutfan said:
I believe it is sending the message to children that’s its perfectly normal for a man to have sex with another man. You may support gay rights but when it’s time to have the birds and bee’s talk with your son are you going to tell him it’s fine to have sex with another man?
I too believe the Bible is all or nothing. I believe every word and I don’t pick and choose passages to support my beliefs. I understand that someone who is not a Christian may not care what the Bible has to say on this matter which is why I didn’t quote passages.
Sin is sin regardless of the action and we will all have to answer for it one day.
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If you believe the Bible is all or nothing, then you must be okay with the passage posted a few pages ago about a father having sex with his daughter to continue the family lineage.

If your kids idolize professional athletes, you could also argue these athletes are sending a message to kids it's okay to have multiple sex partners, have children out of wedlock, abuse drugs, beat women, and squander millions in the name of Hedonism.
 
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I have and will continue to respect and appreciate your thoughts and insight on the matter gcbvol. I wish you all the best and will confirm your assertion. I truly do not know the experiences that you and your community go through on a daily basis. My wish is for people to not base judgment upon you due to your sexuality, but rather value you as a member of the human race and allow for all the distinction and respect that we all wish for ourselves.

You're one of the better posters and provide great insight on this subject. Thank you for that.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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Facts get in your way?
 
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dblutfan said:
I believe it is sending the message to children that’s its perfectly normal for a man to have sex with another man. You may support gay rights but when it’s time to have the birds and bee’s talk with your son are you going to tell him it’s fine to have sex with another man?
I too believe the Bible is all or nothing. I believe every word and I don’t pick and choose passages to support my beliefs. I understand that someone who is not a Christian may not care what the Bible has to say on this matter which is why I didn’t quote passages.
Sin is sin regardless of the action and we will all have to answer for it one day.
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The Bible says owning slaves is okay as long as you treat them kindly. You good with slavery?
 
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bamawriter said:
A woman is infinitely more likely to be assaulted or otherwise harrassed by a man than a straight man or woman is to be assaulted/harrassed by a gay man or woman.
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Interesting. Would you please post a reference to this infinite statistic? I would like to read it.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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Great post.
 
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dblutfan said:
I believe it is sending the message to children that’s its perfectly normal for a man to have sex with another man. You may support gay rights but when it’s time to have the birds and bee’s talk with your son are you going to tell him it’s fine to have sex with another man?
I too believe the Bible is all or nothing. I believe every word and I don’t pick and choose passages to support my beliefs. I understand that someone who is not a Christian may not care what the Bible has to say on this matter which is why I didn’t quote passages.
Sin is sin regardless of the action and we will all have to answer for it one day.
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But what if we don't? I think our creator knows exactly why someone does or doesn't do something. So props for thinking that you know what will happen to someone just because of their personal attraction within our species. The more I live the more I realize we as humans have no damn clue what we are talking about. The bible is a great tool but to use it as a device that can dictate someone's after life based on their sexuality is such a laughable stance in life.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Speaking as a father of two girls, I elect to be the role model for my girls. I would hope and encourage my girls to be tolerant of others regardless of the way they're being raised in the Catholic community. Allowing professional athletes to be the focal point and serve as the "role model" is failed parenting in my book.

We as Catholics dont condone homosexuality, but also, as a Catholic, I can elect to value an individual regardless of their life choice. We pray for humanity based on the concept that we are all sinners to a degree. One sin wont out weigh another as we are all in this game of life together.

I may not agree with a choice, but I can maintain value in my fellow human beings and pray for them.
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I agree with what you are saying. The problem is that not all children are lucky enough to have a family member for a role model. Without parents or family members talking to them, they are going to listen to whoever is talking. Just don't agree with professional athletes using this stage to promote an agenda, too many young kids look up to them.
 
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