Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

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LittleCat said:
Sounds straightforward to me.
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That doesn't specifically address homosexuality and furthermore, you have to understand that at the time the Bible was written, they had no concept of homosexuality, that would be as foreign a concept as the internet to them. What they saw were same sex abuses against children(and general abuse of children and slaves in some instances), that is the abomination they talk about, there was no conept of two members of the same sex having a caring, loving relationship.
 
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dblutfan said:
I believe being gay does not define a person any more than being handicapped, fat or skinny. I have a couple of female friends who are gay. They are great people but I don’t agree with their life style. I’ll admit it took me a little time to get over the fact they were gay and look at them for who they are and not their life style. Like I said, I don’t agree with their life style. I believe it’s wrong because I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I believe what the Bible has to say on the matter. Regardless of your religious views on the subject, I’m assuming everyone would agree that professional athletes are role models and our kids look up to them. Do you really want the message that this type behavior is ok being given to your children? Most on here are adults and have the ability to see the player for who he is and enjoy watching him play the game. Children I’m not so sure about, they idolize these professional athletes and I’m afraid some will come away with the idea that this behavior is normal. Is this the message you would want your kids getting?
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Speaking as a father of two girls, I elect to be the role model for my girls. I would hope and encourage my girls to be tolerant of others regardless of the way they're being raised in the Catholic community. Allowing professional athletes to be the focal point and serve as the "role model" is failed parenting in my book.

We as Catholics dont condone homosexuality, but also, as a Catholic, I can elect to value an individual regardless of their life choice. We pray for humanity based on the concept that we are all sinners to a degree. One sin wont out weigh another as we are all in this game of life together.

I may not agree with a choice, but I can maintain value in my fellow human beings and pray for them.
 
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dblutfan said:
Regardless of your religious views on the subject, I’m assuming everyone would agree that professional athletes are role models and our kids look up to them. Do you really want the message that this type behavior is ok being given to your children? Most on here are adults and have the ability to see the player for who he is and enjoy watching him play the game. Children I’m not so sure about, they idolize these professional athletes and I’m afraid some will come away with the idea that this behavior is normal. Is this the message you would want your kids getting?
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Respectfully, there is a concern with this perspective. This entire position assumes that these children we wish to protect have any say in their sexuality. What happens when you continously tell childen that homosexuality (something they cannot change) is wrong, sinful and will send them to hell? You end up with teens who attempt suicide at rates 5 times higher than their heterosexual peers. It's damaging. Having a guy like Sam be open about who he is can actually serve to help children struglling with their own sexuality. Ultimately this is a very good thing for many children.
 
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dblutfan said:
I believe being gay does not define a person any more than being handicapped, fat or skinny. I have a couple of female friends who are gay. They are great people but I don’t agree with their life style. I’ll admit it took me a little time to get over the fact they were gay and look at them for who they are and not their life style. Like I said, I don’t agree with their life style. I believe it’s wrong because I believe the Bible is the Word of God and I believe what the Bible has to say on the matter. Regardless of your religious views on the subject, I’m assuming everyone would agree that professional athletes are role models and our kids look up to them. Do you really want the message that this type behavior is ok being given to your children? Most on here are adults and have the ability to see the player for who he is and enjoy watching him play the game. Children I’m not so sure about, they idolize these professional athletes and I’m afraid some will come away with the idea that this behavior is normal. Is this the message you would want your kids getting?
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If my child were gay, you're damn right I would want them to have a role model like that to look up to.
Perhaps you are one of those people that would prefer that their child be miserable to the point of suicide over how they are? You know, better dead than gay?
 
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To expand, I coached several gay female athletes who upon graduation "came out". We all assumed they were while they were in school. None of my former players and teammates of these girls ever had an issue with this.

When I think of those girls today, I dont see a collection of gay girls. I see 3 scholarship athletes that graduated from College and are successful in their chosen professions.
 
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gcbvol said:
Respectfully, there is a concern with this perspective. This entire position assumes that these children we wish to protect have any say in their sexuality. What happens when you continously tell childen that homosexuality (something they cannot change) is wrong, sinful and will send them to hell? You end up with teens who attempt suicide at rates 5 times higher than their heterosexual peers. It's damaging. Having a guy like Sam be open about who he is can actually serve to help children struglling with their own sexuality. Ultimately this is a very good thing for many children.
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The problem lies in the belief that sexuality is a choice, like deciding which color tie to wear to work.
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
The equity runs in both directions. Would it be OK if I watch your wife or girlfriend shower? I promise its not sexual and you will barely know I'm there.
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You do know that gay people aren't insatiable sex beasts right? Like... a gay dude isn't going to try to hump you just because you're a dude and within arms reach.

I don't understand that mindset. I've met a lot of women in my life, way less than half I would say I was actually sexually attracted to. That's how it works and if they aren't interested in me or in some cases are gay, that's the end of it. But here's the big thing about gay people, it's a lot more complicated for them and because they know how sensitive a subject sexuality is, even if they are attracted to someone, 95% of the time if they aren't totally sure that person is also gay, they don't approach them. So relax, you aren't going to get groped in the shower.
 
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I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
 
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AirVol said:
PJ, maybe so. We have a registered sex offender living about 6 houses down from us and the neighborhood is on pins and needles about it. I'm just a little paranoid about it.
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Do you know what for? There are several things that'll get you on that list that aren't a assaults or the like.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Like Jerome Bettis just said every player he talked to said it would be awkward in the locker room because of a lot of the types of joking around that goes on . It's not so much about what your sexual orientation is, but the fact if you're not heterosexual then there seems a need to push that fact down the masses throat.
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"because of a lot of types of joking around that goes on" .. like running around naked slapping each other with towels and 'playing around'

bc that's clearly STRAIGHT behavior... lol
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
HaHa! I have made no claims or assertions. I have asked questions. Acting offended does not have any merit in a debate.
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Nonsense...when I asked if you thought locker rooms should be segregated based on sexual preference because some big, bad football players would be uncomfortable, your answer was "yes".

So since it's your position that locker rooms should be segregated based on sexual preference, please share with us...in your opinion...the midset of gay men that leads you to that conclusion.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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Are you straight because of the environment you were brought up in?
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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So, if you were to be stranded on an island with nothing but men for the rest of your life, it would be safe to say that you would be gay after a few years?
 
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NickZ4UT said:
You do know that gay people aren't insatiable sex beasts right? Like... a gay dude isn't going to try to hump you just because you're a dude and within arms reach.

I don't understand that mindset. I've met a lot of women in my life, way less than half I would say I was actually sexually attracted to. That's how it works and if they aren't interested in me or in some cases are gay, that's the end of it. But here's the big thing about gay people, it's a lot more complicated for them and because they know how sensitive a subject sexuality is, even if they are attracted to someone, 95% of the time if they aren't totally sure that person is also gay, they don't approach them. So relax, you aren't going to get groped in the shower.
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Who said anything about being humped or groped in a shower?
 
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LittleCat said:
Sounds straightforward to me.
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as straightforward as Gen. 19:31-35 which condones daughter's sleeping with their fathers. You follow everything the bible "says?"

“Then the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. On the following day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.”
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I dont subscribe to sexuality being anything other than a choice, instigated by the environment inwhich you're raised in, and the repercussions of the established/ or lack thereof, relationships you develope along the way. I have a hard time subscribing tothe notion that its a chemical or hereditary issue. I enjoy the conversation, but I respectfully disagree with the assertion.
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Then based on your opinion, it should be almost impossible for a family raising two children in the church to have one child who is straight and another who's gay.
 
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Volstylexx said:
as straightforward as Gen. 19:31-35 which condones daughter's sleeping with their fathers. You follow everything the bible "says?"

“Then the firstborn said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is not a man on earth to come in to us after the manner of the earth. “Come, let us make our father drink wine, and let us lie with him that we may preserve our family through our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night, and the firstborn went in and lay with her father; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose. On the following day, the firstborn said to the younger, “Behold, I lay last night with my father; let us make him drink wine tonight also; then you go in and lie with him, that we may preserve our family through our father.” So they made their father drink wine that night also, and the younger arose and lay with him; and he did not know when she lay down or when she arose.”
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Roll Tide?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Nonsense...when I asked if you thought locker rooms should be segregated based on sexual preference because some big, bad football players would be uncomfortable, your answer was "yes".

So since it's your position that locker rooms should be segregated based on sexual preference, please share with us...in your opinion...the midset of gay men that leads you to that conclusion.
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You asked me a question. I answered. The locker rooms already are separated based on gender and perceived sexual preference. I ask the question now, will they continue to be when sexual preference is known?
 
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Ernest T. Vol said:
You asked me a question. I answered. The locker rooms already are separated based on gender and perceived sexual preference. I ask the question now, will they continue to be when sexual preference is known?
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I suspect the answer is no.

Now, will you kindly address the issue you keep dodging?

Let's try it again...since it's your position that locker rooms should be segregated based on sexual preference, please share with us...in your opinion...the midset of gay men leading you to that conclusion.
 
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