Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

[snake_anthony]

Missouri's QB said he "accepts" Sam but does not support homosexuality.

Does that bother y'all?

 

[TrueOrange]

Missouri's QB said he "accepts" Sam but does not support homosexuality.

Does that bother y'all?

Franklin came from a really religious background (enough of one where he refused even to take painkillers while playing until his senior year)...I'm not sure what you were expecting he was going to say

 

[rocky top buzz]

article on Sam Sr:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/s...challenge-than-coming-out-as-gay.html?hp&_r=1



The article doesn't bring him up again after that.


tough life though

(from right before in the article)

I feel bad for the dad, I would be devastated if I heard that from either of my boys. That said, generally speaking boys who end up gay had childhood issues with their parents (no I am not saying ALL gays fit that generalization). With this dad having kids in prison I just wonder what kind of family life they had in the Sam household?

This gets back to the bigger issue of why it takes a mom and a dad to create us, and we need a mom AND a dad to raise us too. That's not a problem specifically to gays, that is a big problem we have across this country and it leads to all sorts of problems for kids who only have one parent actively participating in their life.

 

[rocky top buzz]

The no-longer playing for Missouri (/graduating) QB who came from a family so religious that he refused even to take painkillers while playing?

thats a very judgemental comment. Can people not choose to let their bodies heal without taking something to mask their pain? Pain is a natural reaction from your body to tell you to take it easy, lots of non-Christians have this opinion too.

 

[volprof]

Sam's father sounds like a real piece of work. That man is in about as good a position to comment on the lifestyles of others (even his son) as Derek Dooley is to comment on effective head coaching methods.

 

[TrueOrange]

thats a very judgemental comment. Can people not choose to let their bodies heal without taking something to mask their pain? Pain is a natural reaction from your body to tell you to take it easy, lots of non-Christians have this opinion too.

Sorry, short fuse at the moment from something else; my words get that way when that happens.

I wasn't criticizing his religion here; the point was more, based on his background, his thoughts on the matter being such shouldn't be shocking or surprising, like the poster was trying to make them.


That aside, though, he also got a lot of criticism at that school for missing games in 2012 as their starting QB because he kept refusing treatment...it showed a world of difference in the team when he changed his stance about it the following season.

 

[TrueOrange]

I feel bad for the dad, I would be devastated if I heard that from either of my boys. That said, generally speaking boys who end up gay had childhood issues with their parents (no I am not saying ALL gays fit that generalization). With this dad having kids in prison I just wonder what kind of family life they had in the Sam household?

This gets back to the bigger issue of why it takes a mom and a dad to create us, and we need a mom AND a dad to raise us too. That's not a problem specifically to gays, that is a big problem we have across this country and it leads to all sorts of problems for kids who only have one parent actively participating in their life.

Read the first quote box of the post right below that one. It talks about his family.

 

[TrueOrange]

Missouri's QB said he "accepts" Sam but does not support homosexuality.

Does that bother y'all?

He also said this:

Still, Franklin says ... "Michael respected us. He didn't make us feel uncomfortable in the locker room."

"He can be whoever he wants to be. I'll be there for him no matter what."

 

[Ohio Vol]

article on Sam Sr:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/s...challenge-than-coming-out-as-gay.html?hp&_r=1



The article doesn't bring him up again after that.


tough life though

(from right before in the article)

As bizarre as it sounds considering what I posted above, I can understand (somewhat) his father's reaction here.

Anyone 30 and over grew up in an era when homosexuality was taboo. It wasn't discussed, it wasn't accepted, it wasn't anything. Anyone 18 and under probably has no concept of this. Anyone between 19-29 is probably on both sides, probably having a parent or older sibling that has some issue, and friends or younger siblings that don't.

Any person who acts as a mentor for kids develops a certain unique type of relationship. Parents have them with their kids, coaches have them with their players, older siblings have them with their younger siblings, trainers have them with employees, etc. I don't have kids, but I have coaching, sibling, and training experience. When you're in a position of leadership and authority over someone that you're molding into whatever, you have an idea of what you'd like for them to look like by the time they're ready to be on their own. And if the person you're mentoring and leading ends up different, particularly a lot different, from your expectations, it can be extremely difficult.

I've coached a few kids who should have ended up in D-1 college football. A couple of them ended up injured and couldn't continue playing. But the others...it hurt. It hurt to see guys with such potential come up short. The one who wouldn't stick with an offseason training program. The one who burned out and quit. The one who wouldn't absorb the playbook. The one who was just lazy as all hell. Every single one of these hurt because I could see the big picture; I could see the talent and the necessary steps to get there, and could only conclude (rational or otherwise) that I must be at fault. I was too hard on the one who burned out. I was too soft on the lazy one. I wasn't able to get through to the one who wouldn't work out. I wasn't able to teach the one who couldn't figure a very basic playbook out.

In any of these experiences, of course, I can only view things through my own lens. I can look back on my own playing career and see what I did wrong and realize my own mentality, and there's something so frustrating and painful about seeing someone that you care about repeat the same mistakes. It's why parents get so frustrated with teenagers.

Now, consider Michael Sam's father. He grew up in an era where the biggest taboo was homosexuality. He undoubtedly had it drummed into his head from the time that he was young that certain things weren't acceptable: playing with GI Joe is fine, playing with Barbie isn't. Playing football is fine, playing chess is getting into dangerous territory. Listening to rock and roll was fine, listening to showtunes was grounds to get your ass beat. It was thought that hanging around with mother made effeminate sons.

So when his son called him up and said "Dad, I'm gay", it went beyond a simple phone call that acknowledged his preference. It was undoubtedly some type of injuring, some type of wounding, on a very visceral level. And it would bring up the same type of thoughts I had about the failed prospects I coached: I did something wrong here. My perfect project has fallen away from my expectations, therefore I must have done something to fail him. And, lacking the ability to process and handle something that egregious, there's no other choice (in his mind) but to step away and withdraw.

I was fortunate that my parents' attitude toward my brother was more along the lines of whatever brings him happiness is fine because he's their son. Not every parent or sibling or family member reacts like that, and for the time period, it was a significant rarity. But I can't go beating up on people who hold the older viewpoint; it will die out in short order, but to simply castigate someone for this viewpoint without considering the very atmosphere that he grew up in does nothing positive. I don't need to beat up on him to prove that I'm more "tolerant" or "enlightened", nor does anyone else.

 

[gcbvol]

Missouri's QB said he "accepts" Sam but does not support homosexuality.

Does that bother y'all?

I don't see a problem with it.

 

[Burhead]

I don't see a problem with it.

I have to say through every debate you have always been civil about it. If I were in you're position I would have lost my patience along time ago dealing with the ignorant people. I'll say that you are probably a better man in that regard then I would be. :hi:

 

[gcbvol]

I have to say through every debate you have always been civil about it. If I were in you're position I would have lost my patience along time ago dealing with the ignorant people. I'll say that you are probably a better man in that regard then I would be. :hi:

I appreciate that. Honestly, I try very hard not to take things personally. The last couple of days have been challenging and I've been on the civility fence a couple of times. The thing about ignorance is that it isn't always willfull, so I try to keep that in mind.

I'm no better than you or anyone else. What helps me is the fact that no one could ever hate me more than I once hated myself (not saying anyone here has been hateful). I'm well past that now, and just attempt to add to the conversation.

 

[ABQduck]

To quote Desmond Tutu "I would not worship a god who is homophobic." What's the point in the bible saying bad? God thinks it's weird? Its behind closed doors for Pete's sake. It's funny how people adamantly focus on the gay thing and not the other dozen or so no no's you're not supposed to do as "consenting" adults behind closed doors.

 

[gcbvol]

It's funny how people adamantly focus on the gay thing and not the other dozen or so no no's you're not supposed to do as "consenting" adults behind closed doors.

I have an idea about this. I believe that many who focus on homosexuality as a big societal ill from a religious base do so because it is easy. Homosexuality is low hanging fruit on the sin tree. Of all the sins I would imagine homosexuality is the least likely they are to commit; it's frankly unimaginable for most straight folks. They could probably see themselves killing someone before sleeping with the same sex. It's much easier to pile on a sin you are in no danger of committing.

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

Gosh I love this thread. Favorite parts so far: The detailed description of shower room lust and the straight guy who checks the gay Chattanooga Craigslist personals...

 

[VOLorNuttin]

Sometimes I sit back and wonder. "Man, how could something like slavery or The Holocaust happen. How could people be capable of such evil". Then I meet people like you and think "oh, that's how". Human beings capacity to hate is unbelievable.

People used to feel the same way about Jews and Blacks the same way you do about homosexuals. Thankfully, we got past that and hopefully, we educate people like you and others growing up in the world to be more understanding and less hateful about something they very clearly don't understand.

They don't mind pushing their perverted lifestyle on us...so funk that "tolerance" business. Jews cannot help being Jews. Blacks can't help being black. So, trying to obfuscate the issue by comparing the gay agenda with civil rights for minorities and such...that's just pure B.S.

It's the (pretentious) lifestyle...the agenda, I oppose. And the more they try to push it in our faces the more I'm going to push back. The tipping point for me was allowing gays in the military. It's not like civilian life where you can always quit your job and go work somewhere else.

At Fort Bragg, we had old barracks and bay area showers...meaning after morning PT you don't have time to wait until everyone else is showered. You have just enough time to shower, dress, grab breakfast at the chow hall and get yourself to formation.

 

[sammyhagar]

This thread should be locked

 

[VOLorNuttin]

So youre saying he had a choice and decided to be gay?

So, you're saying Pedophiles are born that way? They don't have a choice in the matter? Both are sexually perverted, and most pedophiles prey on children of the same gender. Seems to be some kind of connection here. One form of perversion leads to another.

If they want to turn nature upside down, and live a lie...males pretending to be feminine, and females pretending to be masculine...and both trying to pretend they are married...also wanting to pretend to have kids....then they should expect society to reject all that pretense.

They ostracize themselves with their BEHAVIOR, not race. Their whole agenda is one big game of "LET'S PRETEND."

Lesbian Couple Allows Their Son To Decide If He Wants To Be Tommy Or Tammy : Tell Me Now

 

[VOLorNuttin]

This thread should be locked

Why? If it's ok to bring up the issue of Gays in football, then it's ok for all opinions to be heard...not just favorable ones. Put the cards on the table and lets be real, here.

 

[BartW]

 

[Boston Vol]

They don't mind pushing their perverted lifestyle on us...so funk that "tolerance" business. Jews cannot help being Jews. Blacks can't help being black. So, trying to obfuscate the issue by comparing the gay agenda with civil rights for minorities and such...that's just pure B.S.

It's the (pretentious) lifestyle...the agenda, I oppose. And the more they try to push it in our faces the more I'm going to push back. The tipping point for me was allowing gays in the military. It's not like civilian life where you can always quit your job and go work somewhere else.

At Fort Bragg, we had old barracks and bay area showers...meaning after morning PT you don't have time to wait until everyone else is showered. You have just enough time to shower, dress, grab breakfast at the chow hall and get yourself to formation.

It's a real shame someone like yourself was ever allowed to serve our country.

 

[Boston Vol]

So, you're saying Pedophiles are born that way? They don't have a choice in the matter? Both are sexually perverted, and most pedophiles prey on children of the same gender. Seems to be some kind of connection here. One form of perversion leads to another.

If they want to turn nature upside down, and live a lie...males pretending to be feminine, and females pretending to be masculine...and both trying to pretend they are married...also wanting to pretend to have kids....then they should expect society to reject all that pretense.

They ostracize themselves with their BEHAVIOR, not race. Their whole agenda is one big game of "LET'S PRETEND."

Lesbian Couple Allows Their Son To Decide If He Wants To Be Tommy Or Tammy : Tell Me Now

Actually most pedophiles identify themselves as heterosexual, but don't let that stop you.

 

[Boston Vol]

They don't mind pushing their perverted lifestyle on us...so funk that "tolerance" business. Jews cannot help being Jews. Blacks can't help being black. So, trying to obfuscate the issue by comparing the gay agenda with civil rights for minorities and such...that's just pure B.S.

It's the (pretentious) lifestyle...the agenda, I oppose. And the more they try to push it in our faces the more I'm going to push back. The tipping point for me was allowing gays in the military. It's not like civilian life where you can always quit your job and go work somewhere else.

At Fort Bragg, we had old barracks and bay area showers...meaning after morning PT you don't have time to wait until everyone else is showered. You have just enough time to shower, dress, grab breakfast at the chow hall and get yourself to formation.

The tipping point for you was allowing gays in the military? You do realize there have always been gays in the military right?

 

[rocky top buzz]

And this is the real problem is we can't have a civilized discussion about this. If you say you oppose. Homosexual behaviour you are then labled something like bigot or homophobic or hateful...

When you have to label someone who disagrees with you do you know what that makes you? Intolerant.

 

[MercyPercy]

And what would you define as inappropriate? Surely a man that's attracted to other men wouldn't try to look at a naked man in the shower. I mean, of course he would be controlled enough to not gawk. But well, oops, he just happened to catch a glimpse of your naked son picking up the soap. He never really noticed how athletic he was before. oh, wait, he thinks, I won't look much longer over there. Just one more peak, he is pretty well endowed, he thinks as he starts to get aroused... hmm, he thinkgs, I wonder if his shoulder is sore from when he got hit in the game. I bet he wouldn't mind if I rub out the swelling....

That will never happen!



I would not want a gay man to shower with my 14 year old son or daughter. For some of the same reasons for my daughter, and for the reasons I have given for my son.

Softcore gay porn written on volnation by the people most afraid of it. This post made my morning. The simmering sexual tension between the lustful gay and the innocent son, the mounting fear of the paranoid father, both slowly burning to an explosive climax.

Bravo.