Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

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rocky top buzz said:
Actually you are wrong. On several fronts.

Look at chick-fil-a. They never said that they wouldn't serve/employee/support homosexuals, the owner simply said he disagreed with the lifestyle. Was Dan Cathy "working against" gays? Of course not, he was just speaking his beliefs. Neil Clark Warren who founded e-harmony was forced to create a site for gay couples as well or else New Jersey was going to shut him down.

So had you read what I said originally, I have no problem what two adults do. But they want to convince me that what they are doing is ok/safe/normal/acceptable/whatever and I am not convinced so then I am demonized...
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When it comes to Chick-Fil-A, do gays and gay rights supporters no have a right to boycott whomever they choose? I still eat at Chick-Fil-A, because it's delicious. But I don't blame anyone from using his wallet to express his conscience. Now, I'm not for anyone using the power of government to silence or punish dissent, but that is a separate matter.

But what you are talking about is different. You said that you oppose homosexuality. That's different from opposing economic or government intrusion, unless you are assuming that the vast, vast majority of homosexuals are participating in these activities. Opposing homosexuality in general is to tell someone "you can't be gay." Or at the very least, "you can't act on your feelings." I'm sorry, but you don't have that right.
 
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bamawriter said:
When it comes to Chick-Fil-A, do gays and gay rights supporters no have a right to boycott whomever they choose? I still eat at Chick-Fil-A, because it's delicious. But I don't blame anyone from using his wallet to express his conscience. Now, I'm not for anyone using the power of government to silence or punish dissent, but that is a separate matter.

But what you are talking about is different. You said that you oppose homosexuality. That's different from opposing economic or government intrusion, unless you are assuming that the vast, vast majority of homosexuals are participating in these activities. Opposing homosexuality in general is to tell someone "you can't be gay." Or at the very least, "you can't act on your feelings." I'm sorry, but you don't have that right.
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Just to add a little more insight on the Chick-fil-A deal, not all gays felt the same about the core issue there. Many of us chose not to eat there because some of their charitable donations were going to SPLC designated hate groups. I personally have no problem with Cathy's position on same-sex marriage, and it should not have been a surprise to anyone. That's never been the reason I've disagreed with him/Chick-fil-A; those donations are a different story, however.

I believe the company no longer donates to those groups, however Cathy and some other execs still do and that is their right.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I think its comedic gold that goldvol says he is a straight man who has done more research about being gay than gcbvol has, and he's openly gay.

Seinfeldish
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I've always felt the desire to build knowledge and understanding is intrinsic to human nature, so I'm always willing to learn.
 
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bamawriter said:
When it comes to Chick-Fil-A, do gays and gay rights supporters no have a right to boycott whomever they choose? I still eat at Chick-Fil-A, because it's delicious. But I don't blame anyone from using his wallet to express his conscience. Now, I'm not for anyone using the power of government to silence or punish dissent, but that is a separate matter.

But what you are talking about is different. You said that you oppose homosexuality. That's different from opposing economic or government intrusion, unless you are assuming that the vast, vast majority of homosexuals are participating in these activities. Opposing homosexuality in general is to tell someone "you can't be gay." Or at the very least, "you can't act on your feelings." I'm sorry, but you don't have that right.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Do they have dictionaries in bama?
 
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bamawriter said:
I quoted you. If you meant something other than "I oppose homosexuality", then use different words.
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Seriously, you have no idea what the definition of "oppose" is? Next time you might look up the definition of the word that I suppoedly have no right to use.

Or come to Tennessee and we will share one of our many dictionaries with you. Might also give you a toothbrush if you ask nicely!
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Seriously, you have no idea what the definition of "oppose" is? Next time you might look up the definition of the word that I suppoedly have no right to use.

Or come to Tennessee and we will share one of our many dictionaries with you. Might also give you a toothbrush if you ask nicely!
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I'm already in TN, where I was raised and educated. Which is why I'm able to use a dictionary:

Oppose - verb

1. To disapprove of and attempt to prevent, esp. by argument

Wanna keep talking out of your rear end?

(mic drop)
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Seriously, you have no idea what the definition of "oppose" is? Next time you might look up the definition of the word that I suppoedly have no right to use.

Or come to Tennessee and we will share one of our many dictionaries with you. Might also give you a toothbrush if you ask nicely!
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Why can't Christians and gays be like Jews and pork. Happy to be around the "sin" just don't want to touch it.
 
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Basically says Michael Sam being gay shouldn't be a distraction to a team of the organization is worth a flip.

How about one of our own getting National attention? I honestly just pleased he can form complete sentences. A lot of pro athletes seem to struggle with that.

Edit: Holy crap. No pun intended in the title. I honestly didn't even realize what I'd done until I'd already posted it.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm already in TN, where I was raised and educated. Which is why I'm able to use a dictionary:

Oppose - verb

1. To disapprove of and attempt to prevent, esp. by argument

Wanna keep talking out of your rear end?

(mic drop)
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Thank you finally. So you say no one has the right to oppose homosexuality? So we have no right to disapprove of and attempt to prevent homosexual behavior? If you cannot see where you missed the point, I can't help you.

Moreover, here's another example: my buddy tells me he has been dating a girl for awhile and wants to pop the question. I tell him this girl is crazy and I "oppose" the idea of him marrying her. He disagrees and they get married anyway and we are still friends. According to you I have no right to tell my buddy what I think about his girl?
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
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So much ignorance in this one post I'm just amazed. Btw being gay for some is not a choice. I've had long talks with my uncle and he said when he was younger he hated being gay. He sought out therapy to "cure" him. He went through deep depression and even thought about killing him self until one day he finally accepted himself for who he was and he was free. I think he's a inspiration and I wish I could accept my self like he did.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
So much ignorance in this one post I'm just amazed. Btw being gay for some is not a choice. I've had long talks with my uncle and he said when he was younger he hated being gay. He sought out therapy to "cure" him. He went through deep depression and even thought about killing him self until one day he finally accepted himself for who he was and he was free. I think he's a inspiration and I wish I could accept my self like he did.
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Remember that there's always going to be ridiculous people against you (I'm assuming you're gay from your post), but there are always going to be many people in your corner, supporting you as well. Keep your chin up!
 
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Stallworth is an intelligent guy. Don't compare him to some of the lower IQ individuals that college football has produced.
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Thank you finally. So you say no one has the right to oppose homosexuality? So we have no right to disapprove of and attempt to prevent homosexual behavior? If you cannot see where you missed the point, I can't help you.

Moreover, here's another example: my buddy tells me he has been dating a girl for awhile and wants to pop the question. I tell him this girl is crazy and I "oppose" the idea of him marrying her. He disagrees and they get married anyway and we are still friends. According to you I have no right to tell my buddy what I think about his girl?
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Oh, so the definition is exactly what I said it was, and now you're going to pretend that I said something different? That's a fun way to try and save face when you just got exposed as a blithering moron.

To answer your question, you may refer back to my response to your original statement.
 
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This came from a local news station in Texas; the anchor went off the prompter:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ixCIodbHHk[/youtube]
 
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oregonvol said:
That's clearly not what I said. I had plenty of other points and examples. It's interesting you and the other poster chose to focus on only on this one short paragraph and exaggerate it and treat it like my only point of discussion.

That's rather dishonest. But I guess that's what I deserve for trying to discuss a complex issue on the internet. My bad. Carry on.
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Your whole discussion was bigoted. Perhaps would should go back to allowing businesses to segregate whites and blacks and deny services because it it their religious beliefs.

It is what you deserve because you said it and believe it, not because people pointed it out. Go dig yourself a hole in the ground if you don't want to hear about equal rights that now are coming to same sex couples. I bet when the civil rights movement came about if you were alive it would have bugged the sh.. about you cause those damn people were wanting equal rights and you were tired of hearing about it.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I believe they are the ones who were going and protesting at soldier's funerals, claiming something along the lines of God killed them because of homosexuals...or something along those lines.

I'm not the best source for explanations on them, other than that they're dicks.
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I looked them up on Wiki -- why they use the word Baptist is a real puzzler --- its a cover for a hate group
 
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rocky top buzz said:
Thank you finally. So you say no one has the right to oppose homosexuality? So we have no right to disapprove of and attempt to prevent homosexual behavior? If you cannot see where you missed the point, I can't help you.
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You have every right to voice your opinion on homosexuality and on homosexual behavior. Other people also have every right to question why you seem to care so much.

Maybe I'm alone in this regard, but I try to be a moral and upstanding person. It's not easy, since there's temptations of all kinds around every corner. It's difficult to be some version of good. Frankly, I'm amazed as to how many people out there have not only perfected themselves, but also have the time and dedication to go around perfecting everyone else around them as well.
 
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I don't care what his sexual preference may be, he has the right under our constitution to pursue what makes him happy as everyone does in this country. I'm just tired of hearing about it. It doesn't make him a better or worse football player so what is it relevant? It's time to move on. IMHO.
 
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