Michael Sam, Missouri DE, Is Gay

[MercyPercy]

i have spent time researching this. I assumed someone would try to argue that the depression is caused by the reasons you listed. Since you are gay, i am surprised that i have researched this more than you.

There are studies where they have evaluated the very thing that you claim. They evaluated homosexuals in countries where it is more readiliy accepted, and in countries where homosexuality is a stigma. The results of the study showed that it didn't matter if you lived in a society that was socially accepting of homosexuals or in a "bigoted" society, the rates of depression were not significantly different.

It may be a minority of gay people who live extremely promiscuous lifestyles. The problem is, that that minority still represents a significant portion of the homosexual community. I do not vouch for all of the studies done on this subject, but with only a little bit of research, it becomes obvious that a large portion of homosexual men have many sexual partners in a given year, many times meeting a partner just once.

If you want to see how many gay men are living promiscuously, please just get on craigslist chattanooga. There are hundreds of posts daily just on that one site where men are looking for complete strangers to satisfy a desire. No, i am not saying that there aren't people such as yourself, and i have gay friends in committed relationships.
But because the lifestyle is unhealthy, in my opinion, it is immoral.

LOL

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[MercyPercy]

They don't mind pushing their perverted lifestyle on us...so funk that "tolerance" business. Jews cannot help being Jews. Blacks can't help being black. So, trying to obfuscate the issue by comparing the gay agenda with civil rights for minorities and such...that's just pure B.S.

It's the (pretentious) lifestyle...the agenda, I oppose. And the more they try to push it in our faces the more I'm going to push back. The tipping point for me was allowing gays in the military. It's not like civilian life where you can always quit your job and go work somewhere else.

At Fort Bragg, we had old barracks and bay area showers...meaning after morning PT you don't have time to wait until everyone else is showered. You have just enough time to shower, dress, grab breakfast at the chow hall and get yourself to formation.

You think your brother in arms would try and rape you in the showers of the barracks? You have quite the erotic imagination.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I feel bad for the dad, I would be devastated if I heard that from either of my boys. That said, generally speaking boys who end up gay had childhood issues with their parents (no I am not saying ALL gays fit that generalization). With this dad having kids in prison I just wonder what kind of family life they had in the Sam household?

This gets back to the bigger issue of why it takes a mom and a dad to create us, and we need a mom AND a dad to raise us too. That's not a problem specifically to gays, that is a big problem we have across this country and it leads to all sorts of problems for kids who only have one parent actively participating in their life.

His dad sounds like pretty much a jackass. He wants to act high and mighty about how bad homosexuality is , then says he took his son to Mexico to "lose his virginity".

I don't feel sorry for him at all.

 

[bamawriter]

If you say you oppose. Homosexual behaviour you are then labled something like bigot or homophobic or hateful...

Here's the issue with you "opposing" homosexual behavior:

No one is asking you to support gay people in their chosen lifestyles. No one is telling you that you have to like them. Heck, I think most gay people could care less whether you even accept them. But to oppose something is to work against it. You don't have the right to oppose what two consenting adults choose to do with one another.

They are not hurting you. They are not hurting anyone you care about. They are breaking no laws. What is between them is between them. So to oppose that behavior is to do so with no practical or rational reason. And when you lack a practical or rational reason, you are sliding into bigotry.

 

[Ohio Vol]

I read a book some years ago that was written by a survivor of the Bataan Death March, Camp O'Donnell, and all of that fun stuff. He ended up working out the rest of the war on one of the slave labor groups in Japan proper. And he specifically said that while everyone was basically miserable at Camp O'Donnell, there was a decent-sized group of gay soldiers that seemed to get by just fine. So we know that there was not only homosexuals, but open homosexuality during WWII in one of the worst places on earth.

Of course, if gays weren't allowed anywhere near the military, the American Revolution would have collapsed after Valley Forge. But it seems that George Washington thought that the addition of Baron Von Steuben was a step that needed to be taken, despite the fact that Von Steuben was unmarried, had a 17-year-old boy (of no blood relation) with him, and had been drummed out of the Prussian army for homosexuality.

 

[Ohio Vol]

Here's the issue with you "opposing" homosexual behavior:

No one is asking you to support gay people in their chosen lifestyles. No one is telling you that you have to like them. Heck, I think most gay people could care less whether you even accept them. But to oppose something is to work against it. You don't have the right to oppose what two consenting adults choose to do with one another.

They are not hurting you. They are not hurting anyone you care about. They are breaking no laws. What is between them is between them. So to oppose that behavior is to do so with no practical or rational reason. And when you lack a practical or rational reason, you are sliding into bigotry.

Agreed.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know what goes on behind closed doors with my friends or with other family members. Frankly, I don't care. But to basically bash on whatever takes place behind closed doors is indeed coming from a strange position, one that suggests that the most loyal and loving gay relationship cannot ever be as good or meaningful as the worst of anything else.

And I think a lot of people would be shocked if they knew the kind of stuff their parents and grandparents were really into.

 

[gcbvol]

Agreed.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't know what goes on behind closed doors with my friends or with other family members. Frankly, I don't care. But to basically bash on whatever takes place behind closed doors is indeed coming from a strange position, one that suggests that the most loyal and loving gay relationship cannot ever be as good or meaningful as the worst of anything else.

And I think a lot of people would be shocked if they knew the kind of stuff their parents and grandparents were really into.

And that pretty much gets to the root of opposition. Some people are either unwilling or incapable of seeing gay people as 'people', their default view is perceived sex acts. It's fascinating, really. I'm sure if you asked couples to describe the important aspects of their relationships what they do in the bedroom wouldn't be at the top of the list. There is so much that makes up people and their relationships, but when it comes to gays they are viewed as sex acts first and maybe as actual people after.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

And that pretty much gets to the root of opposition. Some people are either unwilling or incapable of seeing gay people as 'people', their default view is perceived sex acts. It's fascinating, really. I'm sure if you asked couples to describe the important aspects of their relationships what they do in the bedroom wouldn't be at the top of the list. There is so much that makes up people and their relationships, but when it comes to gays they are viewed as sex acts first and maybe as actual people after.

I'm laughing at the ones that seem so obsessed with gays in the military, because apparently to them the gay military members are sex-crazed maniacs looking to ravage any other same-sex solider, but the straight military members must all be saints who never do anything inappropriate sexually. I guess they ignore the well known general reputation of military members, especially those stationed overseas.

Funny how that behavior doesn't make them freak out.

 

[TrueOrange]

For note, it also sounds like, from the article, their relationship/ the whole family relationship was already extremely complicated.

But Sam has never had it easy. He grew up about 40 miles southeast of Houston near Galveston Bay in Texas, the seventh of eight children. Three of his siblings have died and two brothers are in prison. He lived briefly in the back seat of his mother’s car, and his relationship with his family remains complicated: When he visits home, he usually stays with friends.

Life had hardly been kind to him or his family. Michael Sr. and his mother, JoAnn Sam, were separated after having eight children. He went to North Texas to work as a trucker. She tried to keep what was left of her family together.


A sister drowned when she was 2, before Michael was born, when another child accidentally knocked her off a fishing pier. Another brother, Russell, was 15 when he was shot and killed trying to break into a home, in what his father said was part of a gang initiation. Another brother, Julian, has not been heard from since he left for work one day in 1998; his family believes he is dead. Two others are in jail.

“It was very hard growing up in that environment,” Sam said. “My family was very notorious in the town that we lived in. Everyone would say, ‘There goes those damn Sams.’ I didn’t want to paint that ill picture of me. I knew the good in my family. They didn’t know our background and the adversity we had to endure. I wanted to succeed and be a beacon of hope in my family.”

If trouble runs deep in the Sam family, so does religion. And it, too, was a source of conflict. JoAnn is a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who do not celebrate holidays or believe in most birth control and generally shun participation in organized sports. Michael Sr. comes from a large Baptist family, and his father was a long-serving deacon at a church in nearby Texas City, Tex.

But it was Sam’s desire to play football that caused a rift with his mother — she believed that sports distracted from the mission of service. Sam simply saw football as salvation.

“There were confrontations,” Michael said. “I love my mother dearly. But I needed sports. I needed sports to make sure I can’t get in trouble, to make sure I didn’t do anything bad.”

Nobody in Sam’s family had attended college, and Sam did not believe he would be the first. But as he coped with a disjointed family and wrestled with his sexuality, one certainty emerged in his life: He needed to get out of Hitchcock. He knew his best chance was through football.

Sam found a comfortable place off the field as well, in large part because of Ethan Purl, a classmate and the son of Ron Purl, the president of the local branch of Prosperity Bank.

Ron’s wife, Candy, made sure their house was part recreation center and part counseling hub for their children and their friends. By Sam’s senior year, he had his own bedroom in the Purls’ house, along with chores like cleaning the pool and carrying the grocery bags.

“I look at our house as a kind of safe haven,” said Ron Purl, who keeps a photograph of Sam in his Missouri football uniform in his office. “He is just another son. If he did something wrong, he got yelled at just like the others did.”

It was the Purls who drove Sam from Texas to middle Missouri. It seemed like an improbable trip at the time.

“I didn’t even dream of going to college,” Sam said. “College was not in my definition. If somebody told me I was going to play for the Missouri Tigers in 2009, I would laugh at them.”

 

[oregonvol]

They are not hurting you. They are not hurting anyone you care about. They are breaking no laws. What is between them is between them. So to oppose that behavior is to do so with no practical or rational reason. And when you lack a practical or rational reason, you are sliding into bigotry.

Sounds good. Makes sense.

Except gay special interest groups are actively working to change laws and impose themselves on others. They do affect us, quite a bit.

I can't open the newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about who Michael Sam, Robin Roberts, Jason Collins, etc. like to have sex with. I don't care who you want to have sex with. I don't care if you're a foot fetishist. I just don't want to hear about it all the time.

Just this morning, on my way to work, I heard an NPR piece about homosexuals suing religious private schools for not hiring staff engaging in same sex marriages, essentially trying to force them to hire homosexuals into their religious schools.

A baker in Colorado turned down a customer who wanted
him to make a cake for a gay wedding. He declined the sale based on his religious conventions. They took him to court and a judge ordered him to make the cake for the wedding. Similarly a florist was fined in Washington for declining to provide flowers for a gay wedding. As was a photographer in New Mexico who didn't want to take pictures of a same sex ceremony. And a t-shirt maker in Kentucky is currently being sued for declining to provide t-shirts for a gay pride parade. That's hardly evidence of folks keeping their relationships "between them" or even respecting the wishes/beliefs/practices of others. Who do you think they'll sue next?

Boycotts have been organized for any prominent person opposing same sex marriage. Orson Scott Card was removed as a writer of Superman simply because he was opposed to changing laws governing marriage. Chik Fil A and other businesses have been boycotted when some of their executives were identified as being against changing marriage laws. It's become impossible for people to have polite political disagreements anymore. Now, if you're opposed to changing a law, it seems that gay lobby groups feel that you should be blacklisted or boycotted.

The thing is, pretty much every homosexual I know is a decent person and we get along. But, in terms of homosexual politics and what gay lobbyist/action groups are doing right now, it's really silly to talk about the large scale political and societal issues and say that "What is between them is between them." It is quite obviously being imposed on many people via media and through the legal system, in a major way.

 

[VOLatile]

Sounds good. Makes sense.

Except gay special interest groups are actively working to change laws and impose themselves on others. They do affect us, quite a bit.

I can't open the newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about who Michael Sam, Robin Roberts, Jason Collins, etc. like to have sex with. I don't care who you want to have sex with. I don't care if you're a foot fetishist. I just don't want to hear about it all the time.

Just this morning, on my way to work, I heard an NPR piece about homosexuals suing religious private schools for not hiring staff engaging in same sex marriages, essentially trying to force them to hire homosexuals into their religious schools.

A baker in Colorado turned down a customer who wanted
him to make a cake for a gay wedding. He declined the sale based on his religious conventions. They took him to court and a judge ordered him to make the cake for the wedding. Similarly a florist was fined in Washington for declining to provide flowers for a gay wedding. As was a photographer in New Mexico who didn't want to take pictures of a same sex ceremony. And a t-shirt maker in Kentucky is currently being sued for declining to provide t-shirts for a gay pride parade. That's hardly evidence of folks keeping their relationships "between them" or even respecting the wishes/beliefs/practices of others. Who do you think they'll sue next?

Boycotts have been organized for any prominent person opposing same sex marriage. Orson Scott Card was removed as a writer of Superman simply because he was opposed to changing laws governing marriage. Chik Fil A and other businesses have been boycotted when some of their executives were identified as being against changing marriage laws. It's become impossible for people to have polite political disagreements anymore. Now, if you're opposed to changing a law, it seems that gay lobby groups feel that you should be blacklisted or boycotted.

The thing is, pretty much every homosexual I know is a decent person and we get along. But, in terms of homosexual politics and what gay lobbyist/action groups are doing right now, it's really silly to talk about the large scale political and societal issues and say that "What is between them is between them." It is quite obviously being imposed on many people via media and through the legal system, in a major way.

No different than other special interest groups or lobbyists. People are passionate about the subject. Thepro-NRA group does the same thing. I see more pro-gun or anti-Obama stuff on Facebook than anything else.

 

[VOLatile]

For note, it also sounds like, from the article, their relationship/ the whole family relationship was already extremely complicated.

Damn. That's rough

 

[MercyPercy]

Sounds good. Makes sense.

Except gay special interest groups are actively working to change laws and impose themselves on others. They do affect us, quite a bit.

I can't open the newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about who Michael Sam, Robin Roberts, Jason Collins, etc. like to have sex with. I don't care who you want to have sex with. I don't care if you're a foot fetishist. I just don't want to hear about it all the time.

Just this morning, on my way to work, I heard an NPR piece about homosexuals suing religious private schools for not hiring staff engaging in same sex marriages, essentially trying to force them to hire homosexuals into their religious schools.

A baker in Colorado turned down a customer who wanted
him to make a cake for a gay wedding. He declined the sale based on his religious conventions. They took him to court and a judge ordered him to make the cake for the wedding. Similarly a florist was fined in Washington for declining to provide flowers for a gay wedding. As was a photographer in New Mexico who didn't want to take pictures of a same sex ceremony. And a t-shirt maker in Kentucky is currently being sued for declining to provide t-shirts for a gay pride parade. That's hardly evidence of folks keeping their relationships "between them" or even respecting the wishes/beliefs/practices of others. Who do you think they'll sue next?

Boycotts have been organized for any prominent person opposing same sex marriage. Orson Scott Card was removed as a writer of Superman simply because he was opposed to changing laws governing marriage. Chik Fil A and other businesses have been boycotted when some of their executives were identified as being against changing marriage laws. It's become impossible for people to have polite political disagreements anymore. Now, if you're opposed to changing a law, it seems that gay lobby groups feel that you should be blacklisted or boycotted.

The thing is, pretty much every homosexual I know is a decent person and we get along. But, in terms of homosexual politics and what gay lobbyist/action groups are doing right now, it's really silly to talk about the large scale political and societal issues and say that "What is between them is between them." It is quite obviously being imposed on many people via media and through the legal system, in a major way.

You opened the newspaper and saw a story about a gay guy? THE HORROR, THE OUTRAGE!

 

[bigorangeirish]

Should we expect a man who heads to Applebee's to drink away his sorrow to be thoughtful and open-minded?

Furthermore, the guy left Denny's to go drink himself silly at Applebee's? How pathetic (yet not surprising based on his comments).

At least he helped craft a new slogan for Applebee's:

"Applebee's - Where to Go When You Think You've Hit Rock Bottom"

 

[bamawriter]

Sounds good. Makes sense.

Except gay special interest groups are actively working to change laws and impose themselves on others. They do affect us, quite a bit.

You use the experiences of others as examples, and those individuals or institutions may have legitimate reasons to resist very real and very present intrusions upon their own liberty. I support anyone who is being told "you have to do this" in spite of their religious views. I feel that folks like the baker in CO ought to be left to their own principles to the same extent that I think gay folks should be left to theirs.

But your personal experience was to see a story on the TV or in the newspaper. Oh no! Here's an idea: change the channel or turn the freaking page. Just like that, the gays are no longer intruding upon your time.

 

[Burhead]

Furthermore, the guy left Denny's to go drink himself silly at Applebee's? How pathetic (yet not surprising based on his comments).

At least he helped craft a new slogan for Applebee's:

"Applebee's - Where to Go When You Think You've Hit Rock Bottom"

Liked lol:

 

[vols 30]

Furthermore, the guy left Denny's to go drink himself silly at Applebee's? How pathetic (yet not surprising based on his comments).

At least he helped craft a new slogan for Applebee's:

"Applebee's - Where to Go When You Think You've Hit Rock Bottom"

According to the movie "Hall Pass", it's also the place to pick up hot women.

 

[BartW]

Softcore gay porn written on volnation by the people most afraid of it. This post made my morning. The simmering sexual tension between the lustful gay and the innocent son, the mounting fear of the paranoid father, both slowly burning to an explosive climax.

Bravo.

LOL

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Pure VN gold

 

[MercyPercy]

Pure VN gold

I was straight up dying this morning at work when I got to those posts. I had to take a moment to compose myself.

 

[oregonvol]

But your personal experience was to see a story on the TV or in the newspaper. Oh no! Here's an idea: change the channel or turn the freaking page. Just like that, the gays are no longer intruding upon your time.

That's clearly not what I said. I had plenty of other points and examples. It's interesting you and the other poster chose to focus on only on this one short paragraph and exaggerate it and treat it like my only point of discussion.

That's rather dishonest. But I guess that's what I deserve for trying to discuss a complex issue on the internet. My bad. Carry on.

 

[volfanhill]

Softcore gay porn written on volnation by the people most afraid of it. This post made my morning. The simmering sexual tension between the lustful gay and the innocent son, the mounting fear of the paranoid father, both slowly burning to an explosive climax.

Bravo.

How am I the first person to like this post?

 

[UTBasketball2]

And what would you define as inappropriate? Surely a man that's attracted to other men wouldn't try to look at a naked man in the shower. I mean, of course he would be controlled enough to not gawk. But well, oops, he just happened to catch a glimpse of your naked son picking up the soap. He never really noticed how athletic he was before. oh, wait, he thinks, I won't look much longer over there. Just one more peak, he is pretty well endowed, he thinks as he starts to get aroused... hmm, he thinkgs, I wonder if his shoulder is sore from when he got hit in the game. I bet he wouldn't mind if I rub out the swelling....

That will never happen!



I would not want a gay man to shower with my 14 year old son or daughter. For some of the same reasons for my daughter, and for the reasons I have given for my son.

....

 

[rocky top buzz]

Here's the issue with you "opposing" homosexual behavior:

No one is asking you to support gay people in their chosen lifestyles. No one is telling you that you have to like them. Heck, I think most gay people could care less whether you even accept them. But to oppose something is to work against it. You don't have the right to oppose what two consenting adults choose to do with one another.

They are not hurting you. They are not hurting anyone you care about. They are breaking no laws. What is between them is between them. So to oppose that behavior is to do so with no practical or rational reason. And when you lack a practical or rational reason, you are sliding into bigotry.

Actually you are wrong. On several fronts.

Look at chick-fil-a. They never said that they wouldn't serve/employee/support homosexuals, the owner simply said he disagreed with the lifestyle. Was Dan Cathy "working against" gays? Of course not, he was just speaking his beliefs. Neil Clark Warren who founded e-harmony was forced to create a site for gay couples as well or else New Jersey was going to shut him down.

So had you read what I said originally, I have no problem what two adults do. But they want to convince me that what they are doing is ok/safe/normal/acceptable/whatever and I am not convinced so then I am demonized...

 

[Burhead]

Softcore gay porn written on volnation by the people most afraid of it. This post made my morning. The simmering sexual tension between the lustful gay and the innocent son, the mounting fear of the paranoid father, both slowly burning to an explosive climax.

Bravo.

So much win

 

[Spartacavolus]

I think its comedic gold that goldvol says he is a straight man who has done more research about being gay than gcbvol has, and he's openly gay.

Seinfeldish