Michigan Investigated for Sign Stealing

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As to the question: "why is the FBI involved?" It is the genesis of the whole event and discovery. Interstate Child molesting! Caution, foul language.

 
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Wonder if Harbaugh could receive jail time or possibly be sued by the BIG 10?

I don’t see how Harbaugh gets out of this without a lawsuit involved.

Unless he’s forced out and takes an NFL job somewhere.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Wonder if Harbaugh could receive jail time or possibly be sued by the BIG 10?

I don’t see how Harbaugh gets out of this without a lawsuit involved.

Unless he’s forced out and takes an NFL job somewhere.
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Don’t forget the rumor out there that someone hacked into THE OSU servers and stole practice video. If that is true that is a federal offense by the hacker. Anyone with knowledge covering that up becomes an accessory I would think in my non lawyer opinion.
 
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I suspect the NCAA and CFP playoff committee are really hoping the play on the field takes care of his problem and Michigan loses. But if that doesn't happen and UM makes it to the playoffs and wins - when the wins are vacated, they can't say they did not know about all of this. The things that have been out there that if true are the major concerns:

- Potentially giving information to other teams to benefit UM (e.g. manipulate the CFP standings last year)
- Obtaining information from the OSU servers (that is a criminal)
 
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So essentially that report says Ohio State hired private investigators, one who is the brother of Ryan Day, and has been releasing and leaking information to the media daily keeping this story in the news and that Michigan believes that the private investigation illegally hacked into Stalions’ computer.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Do they not understand it doesn't matter who reported them?
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Yes and no. Nothing official has been released from the NCAA. All information has been leaked through media stories or internet sleuths. If a PI firm started the initial investigation, illegally obtained information and then is leaking that information, who has major ties to a Big Ten school…then there’s some serious conflict of interest
 
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zjcvols said:
Yes and no. Nothing official has been released from the NCAA. All information has been leaked through media stories or internet sleuths. If a PI firm started the initial investigation, illegally obtained information and then is leaking that information, who has major ties to a Big Ten school…then there’s some serious conflict of interest
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I am no attorney but I imagine if you are going to leak away this kind of specifics. You better be correct or retaliation for slander could come back. I liken it to the Bruce Pearl BBQ thing. Yes it was wrong but clearly (ironically) Ohio State was involved via their head coach Thad Matta. Ohio St got in late on Aaron Craft and Matta definitely when found out about the BBQ that was impermissible at that time period of recruiting season and found out photo evidence was involved. So easy to leak to NCAA to check it out. Clearly the common denominator was by doing that way to general public isn't a snitch.
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
I am no attorney but I imagine if you are going to leak away this kind of specifics. You better be correct or retaliation for slander could come back. I liken it to the Bruce Pearl BBQ thing. Yes it was wrong but clearly (ironically) Ohio State was involved via their head coach Thad Matta. Ohio St got in late on Aaron Craft and Matta definitely when found out about the BBQ that was impermissible at that time period of recruiting season and found out photo evidence was involved. So easy to leak to NCAA to check it out. Clearly the common denominator was by doing that way to general public isn't a snitch.
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The thing is. The reports have all been college football reporters. And they won’t say who their sources are. So if the PI is leaking the info, whether true or not, it’s not going to come back to them because they haven’t been the ones making the claims. Just using “journalists” to do it.
 
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zjcvols said:
The thing is. The reports have all been college football reporters. And they won’t say who their sources are. So if the PI is leaking the info, whether true or not, it’s not going to come back to them because they haven’t been the ones making the claims. Just using “journalists” to do it.
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And for the most part, it now seems to be journalists asking questions and probing for more information that may be out there.
 
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And it should really be of no surprise at how fast information is coming out. We live in a time where everyone has a camera and social media can put something out there quickly. It is not like the old days when you had to wait for news at 11:00.

The thing that is surprising is the silence of UM. And when they do say something - it is that they have proof of who tattled.
 
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zjcvols said:
My way too long, hopefully not too biased take:

Let's think about every single NCAA investigation that has occurred. It usually takes multiple years for them to conclude. Information comes out incredibly slow. Usually there is a report every few months about new information. Now, this is sign stealing, not recruiting or paying players. So yes, there is a difference. But two weeks ago not one reporter or journalist had this story. It was offiically announced by the Big Ten two weeks ago, 15 days. Heather Dinich initially said there will be a 18 month timeframe on this when the inital report came out.

Now, within two weeks, every day there is a new report. There is new information. Some journalist or reporter writes a new story every day with new leaks and "anonymous sources say". Not one coach has come out and made any sort of public acknowledgement that they believe Michigan stole signs. Not only that, Michigan somehow ran a two year operation that was not acknowledged. Now, within two weeks we have a bunch of information that comes out despite not one reporter getting a whiff of this for multiple seasons. Now, the Big Ten AD and coaches is are demanding their President to punish Michigan, even though not one official report or update on the investigation has been released within two weeks? Even though not one school reported them in two years?

Do I think Michigan stole signs? Yes. Do I think Michigan is guilty of going above and beyond the "code" of sign stealing with recording devices? Most likely. Do I also think I find it odd that Michigan was somehow able to run an elaborate, systematic sign stealing program for two years without getting caught and then within two weeks everything is being leaked out? Yes. Do I think there seems to be some sensationalism going on behind anonymous sources from reporters? Yes. Do I find it odd that Big Ten coaches are demanding punishment even though no official details from the investigation has been released? Yes.

It just feels like a whole lot of sensationalism going on. As I said two weeks ago, Deflategate-esque. Get out as many details, whether true or not, or before any official investigation is complete and see what sticks. No matter what happens in this investigation, even if it turns out that Stalions went rogue, or Michigan wasn't found guilty, or whatever, people will then just default to "NCAA protecting a blue blood" or maybe put enough pressure on Harbaugh to make him leave for then NFL. Yes I'm a Michigan fan, but I refuse to believe that even with Michigan doing something wrong and most likely cheating, that something else is afoot here.
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Michigan fan?! As a staff member?! You’ve had us fooled this whole time! You might as well be Stallions himself. We request, no… demand rather, that you turn in your VFL card and go back to the great north with which you came from.
 
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