Michigan spied on Vols last year

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You were the one asking

Obviously. It was a follow up question, asking follow ups and finding out the answers to them is how you know how much weight to give certain facts. While it is interesting that the defense never wore wristbands until that night (which we know per Holly Rowe), it would be more interesting if we knew the offense also wore them for the first time that night (which based on your responses it seems like you are saying just Spencer Rattler did). So the next question is, had Rattler worn the wristbands before? If he never had, you've got another interesting fact, if he wore them every week, you have a less interesting one. This is how you investigate something and find out what's true, which is all I am interested in.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I think the wrist bands for the only two big games they won which were major upsets late in season before they went back to being trash after saving Beamers job would be the broken headlight for most reasonable people.

That's a theory, nothing more. I would hate for some of you guys to get investigated for something with these standards you are using, it would change your perspective though.

 

[9876543vol]

Obviously. It was a follow up question, asking follow ups and finding out the answers to them is how you know how much weight to give certain facts. While it is interesting that the defense never wore wristbands until that night (which we know per Holly Rowe), it would be more interesting if we knew the offense also wore them for the first time that night (which based on your responses it seems like you are saying just Spencer Rattler did). So the next question is, had Rattler worn the wristbands before? If he never had, you've got another interesting fact, if he wore them every week, you have a less interesting one. This is how you investigate something and find out what's true, which is all I am interested in.

I am tired so I won't do the research, but it seems obvious to me that you are clinging to one side of this issue and would be almost impossible to get you to consider the other side.

Go Vols!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

I am tired so I won't do the research, but it seems obvious to me that you are clinging to one side of this issue and would be almost impossible to get you to consider the other side.

Go Vols!

Not at all man, I just have the healthy skepticism that comes with having practiced law for 20 years.

 

[tbh]

If there's an investigation and enough evidence is found, I wouldn't mind at all if UM, Harbaugh, SCar, and that gnome Beamer all received the program/career equivalent of having this used on them:



F'em all. Go Vols!

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

If there's an investigation and enough evidence is found, I wouldn't mind at all if UM, Harbaugh, SCar, and that gnome Beamer all received the program/career equivalent of having this used on them:

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F'em all. Go Vols!

 

[Smokey7]

Their coach seems very sneaky and untrustworthy.
Glad he's not our coach.

 

[tbh]

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I mean...it's even orange, which (given the context) seems poetic, in a way.

 

[Wireless1]

Not at all man, I just have the healthy skepticism that comes with having practiced law for 20 years.

You do realize that by sharing you’ve practiced law for 20 years just means to some of us that you can defend the guilty without remorse
I watch a lot of Dateline and 20/20

 

[Volatile.33]

You do realize that by sharing you’ve practiced law for 20 years just means to some of us that you can defend the guilty without remorse
I watch a lot of Dateline and 20/20

he’s still a frozencvman; his brain needs time to thaw.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Holly Rowe is credible, yes. So USCjr. wore wristbands for the first time in that game, she said it was "the player's idea". Did their offense have wristbands too? They're the ones that burned us for 63 points.

And Stallions from Michigan stood next to their DC and OC depending on who had the ball, so Michigan was clearly working both sides of the signs. If SCar was involved it would shed some light how an offense anemic as hell for 10 games suddenly put up 95 in two games back to back. It seemed that no matter what we called that night we were out of position on defense. You’d think by happenstance you’d get 1 stop.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

And Stallions from Michigan stood next to their DC and OC depending on who had the ball, so Michigan was clearly working both sides of the signs. If SCar was involved it would shed some light how an offense anemic as hell for 10 games suddenly put up 95 in two games back to back. It seemed that no matter what we called that night we were out of position on defense. You’d think by happenstance you’d get 1 stop.

Based on what's out there, there's plenty to conclude Michigan was cheating. I've argued with some Michigan fans about some of that this week. Michigan should absolutely be investigated to see if they gave the info to anyone outside the program (including South Carolina and every other team), we're just way short on there being any proof of connection between Michigan cheating and that game (TN-SC 2022) right now. Hell, football Scoop said "may" and didn't name a team or a game. That's not enough to take it and run with it like a lot of folks have. Michigan's communications and use of the info should be investigated to the fullest extent though.

 

[OrangeTsar]

No credible source says that at all. This is like internet telephone. Michigan advance scouted us, as well as a few other potential playoff foes last year, that's all that's credible at this point on this subject.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Michigan “analysts” arriving at your stadium

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

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Again, I've practiced law for 20 years, I'm not naive, but one thing I know from doing it is that EVERYBODY has got a theory about somebody keeping them down or that they are the victim of something. That's why requiring the proof aspect of things is particularly important.

 

[maryvillenative]

So apparently this Beamer thing is starting to gain some traction. Reports are coming out stating there’s some smoke here. It seems unbelievable but will we ever really know.

We'll know

 

[84Volfan]

Holly Rowe is credible, yes. So USCjr. wore wristbands for the first time in that game, she said it was "the player's idea". Did their offense have wristbands too? They're the ones that burned us for 63 points.

The offense wouldn't need wristbands as they get their playcalls from the sideline.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Again, I've practiced law for 20 years, I'm not naive, but one thing I know from doing it is that EVERYBODY has got a theory about somebody keeping them down or that they are the victim of something. That's why requiring the proof aspect of things is particularly important.

I get it. Totally agree with the sentiment. But one thing I have slowly discovered over the years is that evidence (or lack of evidence) is sadly ineffective in changing minds for people whose minds are already made up. The current situation in the Middle East where people deny Hamas guilt even though they took body cam footage of themselves massacring civilians is a case in point sadly.

 

[OrangeTsar]

We'll know

Yup, too many people know too much. Someone disgruntled with Beamer over some slight Will eventually spill the beans

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I originally thought this was really not that big of a deal. But the more that’s came out had changed my mind. This most certainly is s huge deal. If Michigan is smart they will suspend JH immediately. Not only that but he has to be fired along with the AD.

 

[AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue]

You do realize that by sharing you’ve practiced law for 20 years just means to some of us that you can defend the guilty without remorse
I watch a lot of Dateline and 20/20

Dude, you realize that criminal defense is a vast minority of practitioners, right? That own assumption right there just eliminated the “other person” part of what assuming does.

Not to add: despite popular opinion, most criminal defense attorneys aren’t absolute scumbags. Once you actually take time to understand their job, there are few people I respect more than Public Defenders. Further, the incredibly high suicide rate in our profession should evidence, over your TV-based assumption, that whole “without remorse” part isn’t the case on average.

I don’t practice criminal defense btw.

 

[AlwaysOrangeNeverBlue]

Not at all man, I just have the healthy skepticism that comes with having practiced law for 20 years.

Healthy cynicism too, don’t forget lol.

 

[Wireless1]

Dude, you realize that criminal defense is a vast minority of practitioners, right? That own assumption right there just eliminated the “other person” part of what assuming does.

Not to add: despite popular opinion, most criminal defense attorneys aren’t absolute scumbags. Once you actually take time to understand their job, there are few people I respect more than Public Defenders. Further, the incredibly high suicide rate in our profession should evidence, over your TV-based assumption, that whole “without remorse” part isn’t the case on average.

I don’t practice criminal defense btw.

I didn't mean to offend, and the practice of standing up for your client would have been a better statement. I just think about how our debate club had members that would take a position and fight for it when I knew their personal beliefs were very different.

 

[BDHVOL]

Is this video of the game credible enough to you? Holly Rowe talking about SC using wristband for the first time that year

Did wearing the wristbands make Spraggins completely whiff on the Block in the next play? They really did have our secrets.

 

[Volatile.33]

Did wearing the wristbands make Spraggins completely whiff on the Block in the next play? They really did have our secrets.

…yeah, bc one whiff during one play from that game has any relevance whatsoever when discussing the opposing teams knowledge of our signals. Some folks should’ve never learned to use the internet, just dumb as hell