Michigan spied on Vols last year

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volfan_89 said:
What do you think is BS? That they spied, which seems very apparent. Or that they spied but it didn’t effect the outcome?
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Michigan videotaped the sidelines of their opponents (and selected other teams including some other teams like UT and UGA). That I believe is likely based on what's out there. I think that helped Michigan win games.

I don't think there's anything credible to indicate Michigan shared the videos with South Carolina or that Michigan cheating affected our game with South Carolina. That's tin foil hat stuff at this point.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Michigan videotaped the sidelines of their opponents (and selected other teams including some other teams like UT and UGA). That I believe is likely based on what's out there. I think that helped Michigan win games.

I don't think there's anything credible to indicate Michigan shared the videos with South Carolina or that Michigan cheating affected our game with South Carolina. That's tin foil hat stuff at this point.
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I think John Brice suggested that Michigan possibly shared info with an opponent of a team they creeped.
 
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pimo1 said:
People are missing the real point of this whole thing. They are all focusing on Michigan when sign stealing is common in college football. Trust me it happens in the SEC also. All schools don't do it but the majority of 'top' teams do.
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So was paying players but we got caught for it and paid the price. The game was and is about keeping your business on the low and not leaving receipts to be found.
 
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Just give it time boys, the media vampires will suck every last drop out of this story. If Michigan shared signs, we will find out eventually.

What we should be really excited about is this may spur the NCAA to change the rules and allow technology between players and coaches.

Imagine... Josh Heupel directly in the ear of our QB.
 
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I saw Harbaugh at his kids Upward bball games years ago in MI. If I’d known then what a weasel he was I would have kicked him square in the nuts and taken the asswhoopin that would have ensued.
 
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pimo1 said:
People are missing the real point of this whole thing. They are all focusing on Michigan when sign stealing is common in college football. Trust me it happens in the SEC also. All schools don't do it but the majority of 'top' teams do.
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I think everyone tries to steal signs, but similar to the astros, they went too far by advance scouting teams and video taping it.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
I think John Brice suggested that Michigan possibly shared info with an opponent of a team they creeped.
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Even if Beamer and Harbaugh talked, which is basically hearsay/rumor at best, assuming they did: coaches talk all the time that proves little and there's nothing wrong with it. We'd need to know they shared the advance scouting videos/haul to amount to anything. I don't know why Michigan would share it, it would increase the chance they get caught substantially and any benefit would be speculative at best, as is proven by the fact that they lost to TCU. If you were trying to pick your opponent, wouldn't you rather play a team you had scouted and broken their codes than one you hadn't? It doesn't make much sense.
 
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They did. Several links in here have already been posted with the article. TCU staffer did a full interview about it.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I don't know why Michigan would share it, it would increase the chance they get caught substantially and any benefit would be speculative at best, as is proven by the fact that they lost to TCU. If you were trying to pick your opponent, wouldn't you rather play a team you had scouted and broken their codes than one you hadn't? It doesn't make much sense.
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My guess is they were trying to reduce the pool of one loss teams to increase their odds of making the CFP. It would be interesting to look back at the CFP rankings and see if Tennessee/Clemson were above UM prior to their games with SCAR

If UM was going to do this, SCAR was the perfect accomplice since they played two highly ranked teams, there was an existing connection between UM and SCAR staffs and Beamer had a history of this type if behavior.
 
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If I'm not mistaken, the rule says that Michigan players/staff can't go in person to scout or digitally record right? Could the loophole be that Stalions just bought the tickets and gave them to a non player/staff? Did he ever actually go to the games?
 
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dobre_shunka said:
My guess is they were trying to reduce the pool of one loss teams to increase their odds of making the CFP. It would be interesting to look back at the CFP rankings and see if Tennessee/Clemson were above UM prior to their games with SCAR

If UM was going to do this, SCAR was the perfect accomplice since they played two highly ranked teams, there was an existing connection between UM and SCAR staffs and Beamer had a history of this type if behavior.
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It's basically self-flattery at this point until something credible comes out.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Michigan videotaped the sidelines of their opponents (and selected other teams including some other teams like UT and UGA). That I believe is likely based on what's out there. I think that helped Michigan win games.

I don't think there's anything credible to indicate Michigan shared the videos with South Carolina or that Michigan cheating affected our game with South Carolina. That's tin foil hat stuff at this point.
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A credible source said they shared the info with a team playing a CFP contender that would basically only be USCjr which was playing UT and Clemson. Who do you think other than USCjr they shared it with?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
We were

We were 21 point favorites. By the 4th quarter, Hendon should have been on the sidelines celebrating with the team and watching Joe get a chance to play
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The question I have is how does a team that scored 6 pts the week before suddenly score 9 TD’s on 10 or 11 possessions, one of which was kneeling out the game? The efficiency with how they scored is damn near statistically impossible.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
The question I have is how does a team that scored 6 pts the week before suddenly score 9 TD’s on 10 or 11 possessions, one of which was kneeling out the game? The efficiency with how they scored is damn near statistically impossible.
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Yup, something was definitely not right with the whole scenario. Maybe we finally have an answer
 
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2EastTnVols said:
Is it real? Hard to believe he'd wear michigan gear while he was cheating.
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Not as sophisticated as the Patriots video crews apparently.

"The Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions."
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
A credible source said they shared the info with a team playing a CFP contender that would basically only be USCjr which was playing UT and Clemson. Who do you think other than USCjr they shared it with?
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No credible source says that at all. This is like internet telephone. Michigan advance scouted us, as well as a few other potential playoff foes last year, that's all that's credible at this point on this subject.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Hooker planted his foot and his knee gave way. It could’ve happened on any play, not sure why people are linking his injury to scouting other than it just gives them something else to be mad about
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Because if it weren't for the scandalous scouting, we would've been up by fiddy and Hooker would've been on the sidelines... Come on man, it's science..
 
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TnVols16 said:
Actually, they wore them for 2 games: vs. Tennessee & Clemson. Both teams were scouted by Michigan.

SCar didn't wear wristbands in their bowl game against Notre Dame.
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THIS^^^

There certainly should be some NCAA investigation to determine whether or not SC was recipient of illegally obtained scouting information for their games against VOLS and Clemson. Assuming the evidence against Michigan is solid (I have to believe there’s something there with all the reporting), it’s a pretty easy conclusion to make that they would do anything possible to guarantee a spot in the CFP. Remember that Michigan didn’t play OSU until the last weekend (same as when SC played Clemson)… giving SC the signals to upset bith the VOLS and Tigers would effectively guarantee Michigan a CFP as a 1 loss team. SC sunk Clemson’s CFP berth (like ours)… I have to think the CFP committee would take a 1-loss ACC champion over a 1 loss team from B10.

If NCAA does in fact investigate and find illegal collusion between Michigan and SC, I’d have to believe that the punishment would follow that of the Pruitt example. In other words, school would vacate wins, be fined a minimum of whatever the coaches “buy-out” would be, coaches (and some relevant staff) would have a “show-cause” restriction for next decade, as well as an appropriate amount of scholarship reductions.
 
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