Michigan spied on Vols last year

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orange parmejohn said:
I think John Brice suggested that Michigan possibly shared info with an opponent of a team they creeped.
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Football Scoop is not a credible source, and as you indicated even Football Scoop reported it as this "may have" occurred and didn't name any particular team or game effected. That's the internet football fan equivalent of a supermarket tabloid having "you'll never guess who ____ is cheating with now" on the cover. It's just meant to suck in clicks from online CFB news addicts instead of housewives wearing bedroom slippers to the grocery store.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Michigan videotaped the sidelines of their opponents (and selected other teams including some other teams like UT and UGA). That I believe is likely based on what's out there. I think that helped Michigan win games.

I don't think there's anything credible to indicate Michigan shared the videos with South Carolina or that Michigan cheating affected our game with South Carolina. That's tin foil hat stuff at this point.
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It's a theory. There's too much circumstantial evidence for it to be tin foil level man.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Football Scoop is not a credible source, and as you indicated even Football Scoop reported it as this "may have" occurred and didn't name any particular team or game effected. That's the internet football fan equivalent of a supermarket tabloid having "you'll never guess who ____ is cheating with now" on the cover. It's just meant to suck in clicks from online CFB news addicts instead of housewives wearing bedroom slippers to the grocery store.
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The known facts:

- Michigan football is under investigation for filming opponents and potential opponents signals. yahoo SI

- Shane Beamer has been caught and fined for obtaining and using opponents insider information SI

- South Carolina used wrist bands in just two games last year: Tennessee and Clemson, both were huge upsets. link


The above info should be enough to make you think that the conspiracies being talked about in this thread can't be completely dismissed.
 
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9876543vol said:
The known facts:

- Michigan football is under investigation for filming opponents and potential opponents signals. yahoo SI

- Shane Beamer has been caught and fined for obtaining and using opponents insider information SI

- South Carolina used wrist bands in just two games last year: Tennessee and Clemson, both were huge upsets.


The above info should be enough to make you think that the conspiracies being talked about in this thread can't be completely dismissed.
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He will only believe when he sees the UT play sheet in Beamer’s hand…
 
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9876543vol said:
The known facts:

- Michigan football is under investigation for filming opponents and potential opponents signals. yahoo SI

- Shane Beamer has been caught and fined for obtaining and using opponents insider information SI

- South Carolina used wrist bands in just two games last year: Tennessee and Clemson, both were huge upsets.


The above info should be enough to make you think that the conspiracies being talked about in this thread can't be completely dismissed.
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The fact that some think that proves anything at all in relation to last year's UT-USCjr. game is frightening. That's like French Revolution style "evidence". Also, show me a credible source of this thing about the wristbands, so far that seems like an internet telephone accusation. It looks to me like it came from a Florida fan on twitter who was basically trying to rile UT fans up and get us to make fools of ourselves with this conspiracy. Tip of the cap to that gator, he accomplished his mission. It's like all the people who were saying the 46 point spread differential was the largest EVER, but in reality it wasn't even the biggest one last November (there was a 59 point spread differential a week later).
 
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CNCVol88 said:
It's a theory. There's too much circumstantial evidence for it to be tin foil level man.
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It's first level crackpottery until some actual evidence from a credible source comes forward. Right now it's just basically "my mailbox got knocked over last night, my neighbor has a car, he must have run over it".
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
He will only believe when he sees the UT play sheet in Beamer’s hand…
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Nah, when people are accused of bad things I just try to apply the same standard of proof regardless of who is accused. It used to be a common principle in the U.S.

Near as I can tell, this is what y'all are running with, source wise:

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Y'all would be up in arms if people were trying to impunity UT/Heupel with FootballScoop.com and some rando Gator Twitter account and you'd correctly be agreeing it was some tin foil hat BS.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The fact that some think that proves anything at all in relation to last year's UT-USCjr. game is frightening. That's like French Revolution style "evidence". Also, show me a credible source of this thing about the wristbands, so far that seems like an internet telephone accusation. It looks to me like it came from a Florida fan on a message board who was basically trying to rile UT fans up and get us to make fools of ourselves with this conspiracy. Tip of the cap to that gator, he accomplished his mission. It's like all the people who were saying the 46 point spread differential was the largest EVER, but in reality it wasn't even the biggest one last November (there was a 59 point spread differential a week later).
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Watch the video in the Gator fans tweet, where Holly Rowe was reporting during that game that SCar was trying something different tonight and wearing wristbands for the first time all season.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
The fact that some think that proves anything at all in relation to last year's UT-USCjr. game is frightening. That's like French Revolution style "evidence". Also, show me a credible source of this thing about the wristbands, so far that seems like an internet telephone accusation. It looks to me like it came from a Florida fan on twitter who was basically trying to rile UT fans up and get us to make fools of ourselves with this conspiracy. Tip of the cap to that gator, he accomplished his mission. It's like all the people who were saying the 46 point spread differential was the largest EVER, but in reality it wasn't even the biggest one last November (there was a 59 point spread differential a week later).
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Is this video of the game credible enough to you? Holly Rowe talking about SC using wristband for the first time that year
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I'm looking for it, I've got the screenshot atm.
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Check the link of my post above, it takes you directly to the moment Holly Rowe comments about the wristbands.
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Holly Rowe is credible, yes. So USCjr. wore wristbands for the first time in that game, she said it was "the player's idea". Did their offense have wristbands too? They're the ones that burned us for 63 points.
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Well, it looks like you already have your mind completely set on one side of this story and nothing will make you change it, have a good day! ;)
 
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9876543vol said:
Check the link of my post above, it takes you directly to the moment Holly Rowe comments about the wristbands.

Well, it looks like you already have your mind completely set on one side of this story and nothing will make you change it, have a good day! ;)
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What are you talking about dude? I asked for a credible source and you told me Holly Rowe and I agreed she was credible and then asked follow up questions based on what she said. It's not like wearing wristbands, which I have seen different teams do my whole life is some of smoking gun in and of itself, but at least I now know it is a legit fact per Holly Rowe that their defense wore them for the first time in that game, so I thank you for that. I was skeptical as I mentioned because of, among other things, the false information about the point spread differential that was also being bandied about.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's first level crackpottery until some actual evidence from a credible source comes forward. Right now it's just basically "my mailbox got knocked over last night, my neighbor has a car, he must have run over it".
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More like
"my mailbox got knocked over last night, my neighbor has a car, has a history of drunk driving, and whose car is sideways in the driveway with a broken headlight, he must have run over it".
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
What are you talking about dude? I asked for a credible source and you told me Holly Rowe and I agreed she was credible and then asked follow up questions based on what she said. It's not like wearing wristbands, which I have seen different teams do my whole life is some of smoking gun in and of itself, but at least I now know it is a legit fact per Holly Rowe that their defense wore them for the first time in that game, so I thank you for that. I was skeptical as I mentioned because of, among other things, the false information about the point spread differential that was also being bandied about.
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It is clear that nothing will ever be a smoking gun to you, besides, I never talked about a smoking gun, I just said that enough circumstantial evidence existed to make it difficult to dismiss conspiracies.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I'll give you a history of drunk driving as a fair analogy, it's the car parked sideways in the driveway with a broken taillight part you are missing.
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I think the wrist bands for the only two big games they won which were major upsets late in season before they went back to being trash after saving Beamers job would be the broken headlight for most reasonable people.
 
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