Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

[norrislakevol]

First of all, that's talking specifically about illegal immigrants. OP was about all immigration. Also, that's probably the most biased think tank on the matter.

Responsible research by the Petersen Institute, the Brookings Institution, and the congressionally-chartered National Academy of Science finds that immigration is a net economic gain for the nation and a net fiscal positive for the federal budget. This includes undocumented immigration. A University of California - Los Angeles analysis found that a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants would generate $1.5 trillion in gross domestic product growth over 10 years, more than $350 billion in tax revenue (more than enough federal funding required to cover every uninsured person in the United States through Medicaid for a year), and more than 370,000 jobs.

The Subcommittee on Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement did not call witnesses from these research institutions. Instead, the majority sought the input of partisans like Steven Camarota, of the Center for Immigration Studies, an organization described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “an anti-immigrant hate group,”

BTW, my Dad is a conservative who has Fox News type opinions about immigration, but he was a research economist for the National Academy of Science, and he will tell you they do good work. Everybody knows CIS is a joke.

The real joke is that you think that letting more poor people in that need government assistance helps us. They take more out than they put in tax wise over their lifetimes. Take away government assistance and 70 percent of them go back home. Use some logic here.

 

[davethevol]

The real joke is that you think that letting more poor people in that need government assistance helps us. They take more out than they put in tax wise over their lifetimes. Take away government assistance and 70 percent of them go back home. Use some logic here.

They are messing up public schools. They enroll their kids and overwhelm the schools because they won’t help fill out paperwork that the schools need to receive federal funding that can be applied to hire more teachers.

 

[Orangeburst]

They are messing up public schools. They enroll their kids and overwhelm the schools because they won’t help fill out paperwork that the schools need to receive federal funding that can be applied to hire more teachers.

not to mention hospitals, etc. We all pay more, nothing is free.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What? I am a nurse, and this IS panic worthy .. they are also bringing MMR so that’s a concern too

Shaddup. Social distance and wear a mask like you are told lady.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Crisis in California: Migrants overwhelming state with ‘no end in sight,’ local officials warn

Crisis in California: Migrants overwhelming state with ‘no end in sight,’ local officials warn

Migrants are crowding transit stations in San Diego as border encounters continue to set new records. Local officials worry California could face a "rude wake-up call."

www.foxnews.com

 

[n_huffhines]

The real joke is that you think that letting more poor people in that need government assistance helps us. They take more out than they put in tax wise over their lifetimes. Take away government assistance and 70 percent of them go back home. Use some logic here.

I got 3 sources saying that isn't the case, and you got 1 biased source saying it is. Surprise, surprise, you are convinced by the one you already agreed with. I didn't always have this position on immigration. I was party line Republican until age 25 and was convinced to change my mind about many topics, just like this one. At some point you gotta stop just siding with the stuff you already believed.

What could I share to convince you that you're wrong? What would it take?

 

[norrislakevol]

They are messing up public schools. They enroll their kids and overwhelm the schools because they won’t help fill out paperwork that the schools need to receive federal funding that can be applied to hire more teachers.

Aaaaand, some of those kids don't speak English. Have to rely on classmates to help.

‘It’s scary for me’: Struggle of migrant kids in NYC schools with few Spanish speakers

Migrant children who don’t speak any English are “scared” and struggling to cope after being placed at a New York City school where there’s a lack of bilingual teachers, The Post …

nypost.com

 

[n_huffhines]

Aaaaand, some of those kids don't speak English. Have to rely on classmates to help.

‘It’s scary for me’: Struggle of migrant kids in NYC schools with few Spanish speakers

Migrant children who don’t speak any English are “scared” and struggling to cope after being placed at a New York City school where there’s a lack of bilingual teachers, The Post …

nypost.com

I can't even take you seriously if this is the kind of case you make against immigration. OMG, they're getting immersed in a school with an unfamiliar language?

We have that here in Phoenix. American parents drive their kids out of district so they can be in one of these immersive language programs. Learning multiple languages is great for development, though it is hard and "scary." Exposure to different cultures is great for development. The **** you guys worry about is laughable.

 

[norrislakevol]

I got 3 sources saying that isn't the case, and you got 1 biased source saying it is. Surprise, surprise, you are convinced by the one you already agreed with. I didn't always have this position on immigration. I was party line Republican until age 25 and was convinced to change my mind about many topics, just like this one. At some point you gotta stop just siding with the stuff you already believed.

What could I share to convince you that you're wrong? What would it take?

The salaries they make, the federal income and state taxes they pay in, and the resources they draw from housing, sending their kids to school, healthcare (we know that many will not have health insurance), housing, food stamps, and any other "assistance" they may need or get because they have kids. Many are paid in cash, so you know they are not cutting a check to Uncle Sam at the end of the year. No W2. The average undocumented worker makes about a 42 percent lower wage than natural born citizens. The average wage in 2019 in California for immigrants in general was $19 an hour, compared to $26 and hour for natural born citizens (google it). Considering that a good chunk of Americans are now paycheck to paycheck, you can easily see why migrants are a negative drain to us. Do we need some in farm work and things such as that? Sure! However, they are an overall burden. Simple math.

What Explains the Wages of Undocumented Workers? | Econofact

Individuals lacking legal status face obstacles that limit their job options and lower their productivity.

econofact.org

 

[n_huffhines]

The salaries they make, the federal income and state taxes they pay in, and the resources they draw from housing, sending their kids to school, healthcare (we know that many will not have health insurance), housing, food stamps, and any other "assistance" they may need or get because they have kids. Many are paid in cash, so you know they are not cutting a check to Uncle Sam at the end of the year. No W2. The average undocumented worker makes about a 42 percent lower wage than natural born citizens. The average wage in 2019 in California for immigrants in general was $19 an hour, compared to $26 and hour for natural born citizens (google it). Considering that a good chunk of Americans are now paycheck to paycheck, you can easily see why migrants are a negative drain to us. Do we need some in farm work and things such as that? Sure! However, they are an overall burden. Simple math.

What Explains the Wages of Undocumented Workers? | Econofact

Individuals lacking legal status face obstacles that limit their job options and lower their productivity.

econofact.org

What on earth is this rambling? You're just naming a bunch of concerns. You didn't answer my simple question. You're not proving anything about the net benefit/cost. You're just raising fears. Weird fears. They make less $? That's kind of the idea. I don't want the jobs they take and neither do most other Americans. Of course they make less. That's part of why we need them.

For every immigrant we have making cash under the table (who is still paying property tax indirectly and sales tax directly), we have an immigrant paying into SS and medicare with a fake ID, and they will never collect on it. You only look at the costs, not the benefits, and you're not being honest about this topic.

We are upside down right now with retiring baby boomers and a smaller work force. We desperately need more workers. The children of immigrants do very well in America and pay a lot of taxes. You are looking at the current generation of immigrants and looking at the short run benefit/cost. You're not even considering the fact that a giant chunk of our tax-paying work force only exists because of large-scale immigration for the past 50 years. You're not even considering the most beneficial aspect of immigration. It's the future that it brings.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

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The opening to a tunnel where people could easily be hidden was found inside a Fort Worth stash house where five illegal immigrants were arrested Friday

Inside sinister Fort Worth migrant stash house run by cartel

Texas bust shut down a illegal immigrants stash house where they found a tunnel and a shrine to the cartel saint in Fort Worth Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Teenage Migrant is arrested after Murdering and DISMEMBERING a 25-year-old victim and Leaving his Chopped Up Remains inside a car​

An 18-year-old migrant has been arrested over the gruesome murder and dismemberment of a 20-year-old man.

On Friday, homicide detectives with the Fresno County Sheriff’s Office arrested the teenager from Mendota for killing Fraylee Hernandez.

Hernandez's dismembered remains were discovered inside a parked vehicle in an orchard near Mendota on January 17, according to Fresno County Sheriff's Office.


On Friday, homicide detectives with the Fresno County Sheriff’s Office arrested an 18 year old from Mendota for killing Fraylee Hernandez (pictured)

The suspect, an undocumented immigrant from El Salvador, has been booked into the Fresno County Juvenile Justice Campus and faces one count of murder.

Teenage migrant arrested after murdering and DISMEMBERING victim

An 18-year-old migrant has been arrested over the gruesome murder and dismemberment of a 20-year-old man.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Coast Guard Intercepts 101 US-bound Migrants in boats on the High Seas, then sends them back home​

The US Coast Guard shipped 101 migrants back to the Dominican Republic after nabbing them on the high seas as they tried to make their way to American soil over the weekend, officials said Tuesday.

The Coast Guard Cutter Joseph Texanos sent the sea-borne migrants packing on Monday after intercepting three different crafts loaded with the scofflaws, according to a press release.

Coast Guard intercepts 101 US-bound migrants in boats on the high seas, then sends them back home

Three ships packed with migrants were intercepted by the US Coast Guard over the weekend and sent back home to the Dominican Republic on Monday, the maritime enforcement agency said.

nypost.com

 

[norrislakevol]

What on earth is this rambling? You're just naming a bunch of concerns. You didn't answer my simple question. You're not proving anything about the net benefit/cost. You're just raising fears. Weird fears. They make less $? That's kind of the idea. I don't want the jobs they take and neither do most other Americans. Of course they make less. That's part of why we need them.

For every immigrant we have making cash under the table (who is still paying property tax indirectly and sales tax directly), we have an immigrant paying into SS and medicare with a fake ID, and they will never collect on it. You only look at the costs, not the benefits, and you're not being honest about this topic.

We are upside down right now with retiring baby boomers and a smaller work force. We desperately need more workers. The children of immigrants do very well in America and pay a lot of taxes. You are looking at the current generation of immigrants and looking at the short run benefit/cost. You're not even considering the fact that a giant chunk of our tax-paying work force only exists because of large-scale immigration for the past 50 years. You're not even considering the most beneficial aspect of immigration. It's the future that it brings.

No, we are looking at this in totally different ways. You care not that they are costing us more from a tax standpoint and benefits stand point than they contribute. I have already said that migrant workers are needed for farming. They just are. However, the GDP that you worship so fervently does not take into account that that they are a total drain on our social services, and the more that come her to take ADVANTAGE of these services, the worse off we are. What is your limit sir?

 

[85SugarVol]

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^ Conflating legal immigrants with illegal aliens, when the topic at hand is clearly illegal aliens flooding over the border.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Joe Biden’s insane Asylum Policy makes life easier for criminals moment they illegally enter US​

Imagine you’re a healthy young man who made your living with a knife and a gun in Venezuela, Honduras or Haiti.

You get to the American border with Mexico, cross over with no papers and, coached by leftist lawyers, tell a harried border patrol agent you demand asylum.

You don’t have a legitimate reason, but the agent is too busy filling out forms for the hundreds of people behind you to care.

The Catholic Charities welcome wagon showers you with goodies and treats you like the persecuted migrant you claim to be.

You accept a bus ticket to New York and marvel at how easy it all is, just like your cousins, who came in January, said it would be.

Joe Biden’s insane asylum policy makes life easier for criminals moment they illegally enter US

A Sunday Post report told the harrowing story of eight migrants, at least one of them an armed Venezuelan, who were squatting in a Bronx house.

nypost.com

 

[Orangeburst]

bunch of racist immigrants imo..

Latinos are growing frustrated and angry about migrants and the border. Here’s why

Recent surveys show a growing number of Latinos frustrated with the U.S. border situation.

news.yahoo.com

 

[volbound1700]

 

[lawgator1]

Democrats had joined with Republicans to draft up a bill that would have really helped with this. Was all ready to go...

Then Trump called his minions in Congress and told them to block it because he doesn't want progress to be made prior to the election.

 

[BreatheUT]

Democrats had joined with Republicans to draft up a bill that would have really helped with this. Was all ready to go...

Then Trump called his minions in Congress and told them to block it because he doesn't want progress to be made prior to the election.

This is a tough sell.

 

[volbound1700]

 

[lawgator1]

This is a tough sell.

Its well documented fact. I know you don't like it and it's embarrassing to Trump supporters who say on the one hand this is a critical issue that must be solved, but on the other hand pledge their fealty to the guy that blocked it.

But it definitely happened and has been discussed by several Republican congress people.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Democrats had joined with Republicans to draft up a bill that would have really helped with this. Was all ready to go...

Then Trump called his minions in Congress and told them to block it because he doesn't want progress to be made prior to the election.

The bill was garbage and would not be as effective as just enforcement of the current laws.

Where we actually need reform is in the process of coming here legally….which once again this bill did nothing for.

 

[85SugarVol]

Its well documented fact. I know you don't like it and it's embarrassing to Trump supporters who say on the one hand this is a critical issue that must be solved, but on the other hand pledge their fealty to the guy that blocked it.

But it definitely happened and has been discussed by several Republican congress people.

I’ve asked you at least Seven times to comment on the kill switch written into the Bill.

It’s a documented fact.
I know you don’t like it.

But maybe here with an 8th opportunity you’ll finally address it

 

[Jxn Vol]

Its well documented fact. I know you don't like it and it's embarrassing to Trump supporters who say on the one hand this is a critical issue that must be solved, but on the other hand pledge their fealty to the guy that blocked it.

But it definitely happened and has been discussed by several Republican congress people.

Why doesn’t the shuffler in chief enforce current laws? It’s because they haven’t gotten enough illegals to make up for the dnc defections.