Milton’s accuracy and velocity

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I don't know why everyone is so jazzed up on Nico, big difference from high school to SEC play... gotta wait and see what he can do when he gets here but I'd be hesitant to bet the farm on a high schooler right now. I have an 8 year old that's ready to sign now, be on the lookout for him!
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Lol. Delusional comment.
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I'm rooting for Joe to prove me wrong.

But to say Nico won't start because he's just a freshman is just shortsighted.
The kid is an incredible incredible talent.
The most gifted we've ever had come to Tennessee.

Let it play out. Joe's time is RIGHT NOW. So the whole dynamic is changed for 2023 already
 
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Hopefully, they get a canon calibrated and dialed in before Saturday. It might have been the situation/emotions after Hooker's injury, but he looked like last year's Milton this past Saturday.
 
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SmokeyVol said:
Hopefully, they get a canon calibrated and dialed in before Saturday. It might have been the situation/emotions after Hooker's injury, but he looked like last year's Milton this past Saturday.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Of his 8 passes he had 4 completions--including great balls to Squirrel and Tillman, one for a real nice TD in the corner of the endzone. And of his incompletions:

First was right through Squirrel's hands. A little zip on it, but could have been caught.
Second was a free play jump ball to the endzone.
Third was his one overthrow to Tillman in the endzone.
Fourth was on target to Tillman in the endzone but very well defended.

Even given the small sample size, I'm curious what you saw that made you think he looked like last year?
 
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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
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I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Of his 8 passes he had 4 completions--including great balls to Squirrel and Tillman, one for a real nice TD in the corner of the endzone. And of his incompletions:

First was right through Squirrel's hands. A little zip on it, but could have been caught.
Second was a free play jump ball to the endzone.
Third was his one overthrow to Tillman in the endzone.
Fourth was on target to Tillman in the endzone but very well defended.

Even given the small sample size, I'm curious what you saw that made you think he looked like last year?
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Just a few overthrows. I recall 2 or 3, nothing major, but it happen, and wasn't like the other few appearances he had this year.
 
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TheFlash1971 said:
Well said, Milton is the least of our worries. To win the playoffs in the future when we go to 12 teams we’d better create some semblance of a formidable defense.
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I worry about both. How many games would we have if Hooker had not performed at level he did, and how many of the games we lost would we have won if the defensive secondary had no give up over 350 yards per game. If Milton plays at the same level or better than Hooker, we should be in great shape the rest of this season and next season. If the defense played better the rest of this season and next year, we should go undefeated. however, I am not betting my house on it.
 
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Daniel_Lincolns_Foot said:
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I'm not really sure what you mean by this. Of his 8 passes he had 4 completions--including great balls to Squirrel and Tillman, one for a real nice TD in the corner of the endzone. And of his incompletions:

First was right through Squirrel's hands. A little zip on it, but could have been caught.
Second was a free play jump ball to the endzone.
Third was his one overthrow to Tillman in the endzone.
Fourth was on target to Tillman in the endzone but very well defended.

Even given the small sample size, I'm curious what you saw that made you think he looked like last year?
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The overthow to Tillman was bad, though. All QBs miss throws, but that was bad. He's just very inconsistent.
 
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LittleVol said:
I'm rooting for Joe to prove me wrong.

But to say Nico won't start because he's just a freshman is just shortsighted.
The kid is an incredible incredible talent.
The most gifted we've ever had come to Tennessee.

Let it play out. Joe's time is RIGHT NOW. So the whole dynamic is changed for 2023 already
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I believe Nico will take over at some point next year the way Hooker did in 2021, but I'm also totally open to Joe making me look like an idiot.

It's hard for me to imagine Milton slinging the ball around and making all the right reads like Hooker did, but that's maybe not a fair comparison. I've never seen a QB protect the ball as well as Hooker did in an offense as high-powered as ours. It was incredible to watch.

For Milton to take the job and run with it I think our run game needs to get to a point where it's dominant. I could see Milton playing kind of a Tim Tebow roll in our offense where he's the guy we call on to pick up tough yardage. Combine that with Milton's cannon of an arm and our PA pass game could be epic. I'm not as impressed with our OL as others seem to be though... how we replace Wright and Carvin will be a big factor in how well we run it next year.
 
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Hooker was very good last year, but his improvement going into this season was pretty significant. JM has been running the same drills, taking most of the same kind of reps in practice and has sat in very meeting that HH sat in. There is plenty of reason to believe we'll see something better than we saw at the beginning of last year.
 
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LittleVol said:
I'm rooting for Joe to prove me wrong.

But to say Nico won't start because he's just a freshman is just shortsighted.
The kid is an incredible incredible talent.
The most gifted we've ever had come to Tennessee.

Let it play out. Joe's time is RIGHT NOW. So the whole dynamic is changed for 2023 already
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Is Nico better than Peyton when he signed with Tennessee? Just asking.
 
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74charger said:
He throws so damn hard and high often. Even when he’s accurate it’s like catching a Nolan Ryan fastball every time!
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Speaking of things that are hard to fix - Richardson on the last play of the game against Vanderbilt - airmailed a pass - out of the endzone and up another 30 or so rows into the stands. Reminded me of when someone hits a deep, deep homerun and the outfielders don't even look up.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
You don’t have a clue on Milton or Jackson or Nico. It will be settled in Spring Ball or Fall camp.
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Honestly, it may not be 100% settled by the end of fall camp. I'm sure we will have a QB1 at the end of fall camp, but I'm not convinced the QB1 at the end of the season is the same person who is QB1 at the beginning of the season even if no one is injured all year.
 
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JoAllan said:
Much higher than Hooker with 23 games of:
Over 6000 yards
58 td’s
5int’s
69%
9.8 per attempt
178.2 rating

1050 rushing yards
10 rushing TD’s

Much higher……..really?

Just to = for 13 games next season Milton would need:

3414 passing yards
38 total TD’s
3 int’s
593 rushing yards

While completing 69%
At nearly 10 per attempt

That would be a tall order……..just to equal Hooker in 13 games………much higher ceiling……..WOW could he have 50 TD’s and 5000 total yards?
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All with lesser physical gifts but better decision making. The CEILING is higher, there just isn’t any guarantee he’ll climb that ladder and reach it.
 
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37027 said:
Is Nico better than Peyton when he signed with Tennessee? Just asking.
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Peyton became one of the smartest quarterbacks to ever play - he also had a good pedigree and had a good arm and was a precision passer. That combination served him well and resulted in arguably one of the top 5 qb's of all time. Having said that, I would argue that his dad was actually
more athletic and of course Nico is much more athletic. Nico will be the highest ranked qb here since Peyton and if he performs close to as well as Peyton or HH we will be blessed. Looking forward to seeing him in action.

We have had some great quarterbacks.
 
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37027 said:
Is Nico better than Peyton when he signed with Tennessee? Just asking.
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Hard to compare for several reasons. The style of play is different for one thing, and the recruit rankings were not around when Payton came to TN as they are now. That said, Peyton was thought to be the #2 QB in that signing class, and many recruiting services say Nico is the #2 QB in this signing class.

Understanding that, it was never planned for Peyton to start as a freshman. He came into the season as 3rd string behind a Senior (Colquitt) and a Junior (Helton). Season ending injury to Colquitt and minor injury to Helton making him realize baseball was his future is what changed the plans for Peyton's freshman year.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
Peyton became one of the smartest quarterbacks to ever play - he also had a good pedigree and had a good arm and was a precision passer. That combination served him well and resulted in arguably one of the top 5 qb's of all time. Having said that, I would argue that his dad was actually
more athletic and of course Nico is much more athletic. Nico will be the highest ranked qb here since Peyton and if he performs close to as well as Peyton or HH we will be blessed. Looking forward to seeing him in action.

We have had some great quarterbacks.
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Peyton wasn't thought of as a top 5 QB of all time when he was an incoming freshman though. It was debatable (Before the season began) as to if he or Brandon Stewart was the better incoming freshman at TN that same year.
 
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37027 said:
Is Nico better than Peyton when he signed with Tennessee? Just asking.
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Better tested. There were no 7x 7 camps and year long football. Took more than a minute for Peyton to adjust to that level…didn’t start flashing until Mississippi State. It wasn’t mental, simply throwing to faster athletes against faster athletes. These top line QB recruits have been doing it way longer and most stick exclusively to football. Nico competes at volleyball.
 
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BJSforVols said:
Peyton wasn't thought of as a top 5 QB of all time when he was an incoming freshman though. It was debatable (Before the season began) as to if he or Brandon Stewart was the better incoming freshman at TN that same year.
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That was fan inspired debate. Because Stewart resembled Heath Shuler in skillset. Most talent evaluators saw the maturity and unflappability in Manning’s game and rated him higher.
 
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butchna said:
That was fan inspired debate. Because Stewart resembled Heath Shuler in skillset. Most talent evaluators saw the maturity and unflappability in Manning’s game and rated him higher.
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coaches thought similar I guess since both Peyton and Stewart got the chance to take over QB1 after Colquitt and Helton were out.

I followed recruiting back then more than I do now. Stewart was highly rated by the few who covered recruiting back then as well. Many thought Stewart may be better and said he had earned his rating based off his performance and skills whereas Manning had earned his off of Archie's name.
 
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