Milton our qb next year?

[chattavol420]

As has been said, he has apparently improved a lot from year 1 until now. Another year in the system, and maybe he can do some really good things. Do I think there are still gaps in his ability to handle every situation as it arises? Yes, but we need to enjoy the QB we have this year. We cannot expect every year to be like this one. At least Milton can hit the long ball with very little windup. That can overcome a lot of deficiencies.

Long story short: I think we will be fine, no matter who the head ball coach chooses to go with. We have way more to worry about in the defensive backfield.

Additional years on the system won’t help him all of the sudden development a mental game. And that’s what he’s lacking. He knows the plays and he’s a physical specimen. He overthrows everybody. Do you not remember that? He left like 28 points in the field against Pitt and they came back to beat us. Same thing in the first game. Against ole miss he came in for the last play of the game and ran out of bounds. He also had a couple of incidents where he failed to get beyon the sticks on 3rd or 4th down before sliding. And he was hit from the blind side multiple times casing fumbles in just the two games he started. His mental game is on par with JG. It’s not going to improve much because he already knows the system well. Pruitt kept thinking JG would become a good qb with enough reps. But that’s not typically how it works. These guys get thousands of reps in practice and the off-season.

 

[37620VOL]

Additional years on the system won’t help him all of the sudden development a mental game. And that’s what he’s lacking. He knows the plays and he’s a physical specimen. He overthrows everybody. Do you not remember that?

His work this year suggests that he has already corrected the overthrows. I'm hoping Milton can take over this offense and not miss a beat. We would need to scrap half the playbook if we go with a true freshman. Several of Hyatt's TDs this year have been routes changed at the LOS by Hooker. This doesn't happen with a rookie QB, but I believe Milton can do it.

With Milton, I think Bru can set the single-season receiving record next year.

 

[i2amavol]

Additional years on the system won’t help him all of the sudden development a mental game. And that’s what he’s lacking. He knows the plays and he’s a physical specimen. He overthrows everybody. Do you not remember that? He left like 28 points in the field against Pitt and they came back to beat us. Same thing in the first game. Against ole miss he came in for the last play of the game and ran out of bounds. He also had a couple of incidents where he failed to get beyon the sticks on 3rd or 4th down before sliding. And he was hit from the blind side multiple times casing fumbles in just the two games he started. His mental game is on par with JG. It’s not going to improve much because he already knows the system well. Pruitt kept thinking JG would become a good qb with enough reps. But that’s not typically how it works. These guys get thousands of reps in practice and the off-season.

I'm not going to totally disagree with you, and I certainly expect the occasional mental lapse from him, but most of what you are talking about is within just a couple of months of him being on campus. I think we can give him a bit of leeway there. As for the Ole Miss debacle, it was certainly noteworthy.

All in all, I simply think he has enough talent to potentially put games away in the first half, before his decision making becomes a big issue. It is not an ideal situation with him, but taken as whole, we could do a whole lot worse. As I've said, you don't get to have a Hendon Hooker every year. He is more of a once a decade type of qb, at worst, at least up to this point.

I didn't get to see him in the UT Martin game, but it sounds like Milton did pretty good. I'm not expecting perfection, but I trust Hype's coaching and judgement. I don't think he would have kept trotting JG out there like Sargent Carter did.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

If the coaches decide Milton is ready to play, he's ready to play. That said, I though he was not eligible next year? Did I miss something? Personally I like him, he gives me McNair vibes.

 

[37620VOL]

If the coaches decide Milton is ready to play, he's ready to play. That said, I though he was not eligible next year? Did I miss something? Personally I like him, he gives me McNair vibes.

Yeah, Milton is back 100%.

 

[scottchatt]

In all fairness to the OP Fant had a 100 rating.

What was Milton’s……HA…….not even 97.

4 of 7 for 135 and 1 TD, 19.3 yards per pass attempt and a 96.8 rating. 3 rushes for 23 yards at 7.7 per.

I guess……..if your rating isn’t 100 there is room for improvement.

I'm not sure you know what QB Rating is. It's not 0-100, and a 100 QBR is good not great. For instance, Hooker's QBR against UTM was 212.9, and he's having a great season with a season rating of 190.8. In college, the scale is -731.6 to 1261.6. You aren't going to see a 1261.6 (every single passing attempt was a 99 yd completion for a touchdown) or a -731.6 (every attempt was intercepted and ran back 99 yards) very often, if ever.

Fant's rating against UTM was actually 984.4, the threw on pass for a 66 yd touchdown, that's about as high as you will ever see.

The NFL system is different, and is honestly a better overall rating system of QB performance. I wish college would adopt it.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Additional years on the system won’t help him all of the sudden development a mental game. And that’s what he’s lacking. He knows the plays and he’s a physical specimen. He overthrows everybody. Do you not remember that? He left like 28 points in the field against Pitt and they came back to beat us. Same thing in the first game. Against ole miss he came in for the last play of the game and ran out of bounds. He also had a couple of incidents where he failed to get beyon the sticks on 3rd or 4th down before sliding. And he was hit from the blind side multiple times casing fumbles in just the two games he started. His mental game is on par with JG. It’s not going to improve much because he already knows the system well. Pruitt kept thinking JG would become a good qb with enough reps. But that’s not typically how it works. These guys get thousands of reps in practice and the off-season.

HOT news flash, his mental issues are not nearly as bad as those that say he ran out of bounds on that last play. Replay is out there forever, go use it. Early on one detractor said he RAN out of bounds and lazy agenda drivenfolks jumped on board. He certainly tried to extend the play by using ALL the field available to him, but was totally in bounds when contacted by the defender to knock him out of bounds. Should have thrown a prayer, up until he crossed the LOS then it would have really been stupid to throw the ball. Stopping in bounds behind the LOS was not an option with two guys in pursuit either. This of course was one play after he fired a catchable ball for a go-ahead touchdown that a receiver did not elevate and catch. That is on replay too. Posted a lot of screenshots a while back along the sideline. Here is one with him taking it on the chin, not cowering outside the field of play.



The staff has hung in there with him doubt they would do that if he were a liability. I just hope he gets some real reps with the 1's down the stretch to let both sides of the debate have something real to project his current and future capabilities. CJH was complimentary on his show of his throws in cleanup mode Saturday. Could have just swallowed the mike. Not going to be a Peyton or Hooker, but no logical reason to equate his abilities to JG either. He was the last man to join the room last year and first man out there. Got passed by Hooker as would most mortals. Hooker continues to back up his progress and abilities. He could also swallow his mike.

 

[JoAllan]

I'm not sure you know what QB Rating is. It's not 0-100, and a 100 QBR is good not great. For instance, Hooker's QBR against UTM was 212.9, and he's having a great season with a season rating of 190.8. In college, the scale is -731.6 to 1261.6. You aren't going to see a 1261.6 (every single passing attempt was a 99 yd completion for a touchdown) or a -731.6 (every attempt was intercepted and ran back 99 yards) very often, if ever.

Fant's rating against UTM was actually 984.4, the threw on pass for a 66 yd touchdown, that's about as high as you will ever see.

The NFL system is different, and is honestly a better overall rating system of QB performance. I wish college would adopt it.

Seriously?

there are two types of systems used, the QBR and a basic quarter back rating system.
(Total Quarterback rating - QBR / Quarterback efficiency rating - basic qb rating)

A QBR of 100 is flat out astounding. Hooker has a QBR of 91.4 Stroud has a QBR of 92.6.

They both have a much higher QB rating, or efficiency rating.

When looking at game stats you will get the QBR (usually) which is what I posted……just as a joke mind you…….why not move along?

 

[JoAllan]

 

[JoAllan]

 

[Teezy]

All the QB coaches in these forums. I feel like Milton is getting the JG treatment and he hasn’t even played enough football to deserve it. He came last year IN THE FALL. Got adjusted to the system in a month or two and went straight into the games. He’s had a year to adjust to the system and his stats look great. Made one bad play against Ole Miss… (he made some good plays right before that play). And now the sky is falling. Also, why are we wanting him to truck people? He’s a QB… He should be scrambling and sliding unless he needs a first down or TD in specific situations. This whole thread is weird man.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Maybe the only mistake heupel has made thus far is choosing Milton prior to the start of last season…as opposed to playing multiple qbs to begin the year allowing someone to win the job against real competition. It was a mistake. I know a lot of people will say I wasn’t at practice and how dare me try to make an observation only a coach should make bla bla. But, we have all seen times when a coach handles a qb competition early in the year by playing multiple guys until one has clearly established himself. That’s what should’ve happened.

Anyway, my point for bringing this up is most around the program seem to believe Milton will be our quarterback next season. Kind of a placeholder until Jackson or Nico can take the reins. I hope that is not the case. Milton is not going to just all of the sudden become a good qb. He doesn’t lack knowledge of the offense or need to develop physically. He possesses all the physical ability and is an intelligent/high character kid. What he doesn’t possess is pocket awareness and moxie.

I expected him to pick a part that defense today with pinpoint accurate throws and lead three or four scoring drives. I realize we were run heavy but he just isn’t good.

Playing QB is all about Moxie, pocket awareness, understanding distance and timing, accuracy, and understanding when to move the sticks and went to take a shot. There were several situations Milton threw low percentage balls on third down when he could have easily ran for the first down allowing the offense another set of downs.

Anyway, for all the amazing decision heupel makes day in/day out he seems to have a flaw when it comes to a kid like Milton. I think he becomes Infatuated with these physical capabilities and thinks he can coach the Moxie/pocket awareness and Savviness into him. But he can’t. Who cares if your quarterback can do backflips? Or throw a ball 80 yards? It’s totally irreverent. I hope he allows a competition between Jackson and Nico to play out. But I don’t think that’ll happen. I think we’ll see Milton out there to start the year.

Remember Milton was not playing with 1s and some were 3s/4s. Talent around the QB needs to figured in.

 

[508mikey]

Remember Milton was not playing with 1s and some were 3s/4s. Talent around the QB needs to figured in.

And sec defenses

 

[chef3531]

Maybe the only mistake heupel has made thus far is choosing Milton prior to the start of last season…as opposed to playing multiple qbs to begin the year allowing someone to win the job against real competition. It was a mistake. I know a lot of people will say I wasn’t at practice and how dare me try to make an observation only a coach should make bla bla. But, we have all seen times when a coach handles a qb competition early in the year by playing multiple guys until one has clearly established himself. That’s what should’ve happened.

Anyway, my point for bringing this up is most around the program seem to believe Milton will be our quarterback next season. Kind of a placeholder until Jackson or Nico can take the reins. I hope that is not the case. Milton is not going to just all of the sudden become a good qb. He doesn’t lack knowledge of the offense or need to develop physically. He possesses all the physical ability and is an intelligent/high character kid. What he doesn’t possess is pocket awareness and moxie.

I expected him to pick a part that defense today with pinpoint accurate throws and lead three or four scoring drives. I realize we were run heavy but he just isn’t good.

Playing QB is all about Moxie, pocket awareness, understanding distance and timing, accuracy, and understanding when to move the sticks and went to take a shot. There were several situations Milton threw low percentage balls on third down when he could have easily ran for the first down allowing the offense another set of downs.

Anyway, for all the amazing decision heupel makes day in/day out he seems to have a flaw when it comes to a kid like Milton. I think he becomes Infatuated with these physical capabilities and thinks he can coach the Moxie/pocket awareness and Savviness into him. But he can’t. Who cares if your quarterback can do backflips? Or throw a ball 80 yards? It’s totally irreverent. I hope he allows a competition between Jackson and Nico to play out. But I don’t think that’ll happen. I think we’ll see Milton out there to start the year.

I can't believe I wasted time reading this whole thing. He beat Hendon to win the starting job last year, it wasn't gifted to him. It didn't work and Hendon took over. He looks vastly improved on his throws deep this year, and his short and intermediate passes are lasers I'm thinking you haven't been watching the same progress the rest of us have.

 

[chef3531]

Milton will never be ready. I love his moxy, love his competitiveness. He just ain't got it. Looks like Cam Newton, but not there between the ears. We'll need Iamaleava...

You sound like the same crowd that kept pushing for Harrison Bailey to start, when he didn't have it. Heck, he isn't even starting at UNLV. There are some people with serious issues on this board when it comes to quarterbacks. I'm behind whoever Coach Heupel selects next year to start. Until then, I'm not going to worry about it and I'm going to enjoy this season.

 

[chef3531]

But its against UTM, you should be DRIVING down the field no matter who is out there with him.

Not when you're trying not to run the score up. Good grief, are you guys really that challenged when it comes to situational football? They could have scored a hundred if they wanted to. He was in with backups and a very limited play selection. If we gonna be honest, Hooker severely under threw balls to Hyatt and Squirrel Saturday. The one to Squirrel was ten yards short and 5 yards inside where it should have been. None of these guys are perfect. Enjoy being 7-0, damn.

 

[Remy]

Nico will be starting next season

If not he'll be starting at another P5 school the following season. Bryce Young at Bama played his freshman year and it worked out very well. Nico is at the same high school and their high school coach seems to think Nico is as good or perhaps better than Bryce Young. The best way to drive Nico off The Hill is to bench him and put a less skilled player or players in front of him.

 

[miket4god]

If not he'll be starting at another P5 school the following season. Bryce Young at Bama played his freshman year and it worked out very well. Nico is at the same high school and their high school coach seems to think Nico is as good or perhaps better than Bryce Young. The best way to drive Nico off The Hill is to bench him and put a less skilled player or players in front of him.

No he didn't he redshirted. He played his redshirt freshman season.

 

[LeannaVol]

Don’t be surprised if we bring in a transfer Qb to push Milton

Not sure how a transfer QB would fit in with the rest of the QB competition. Maybe a 1 yr guy, but are we going to get a decent senior transfer knowing he may not win the job? Bringing in a multi year guy to compete with Jackson and Nico could drive one of them to the portal.
I think Jackson may end up being the guy next year. He will be ahead of Nico in the experience department and he was a highly regarded recruit in his own right when he committed.

 

[508mikey]

No he didn't he redshirted. He played his redshirt freshman season.

that was the covid season - he played 9 games and automatically got an extra year eligibility

 

[jacvols]

Not sure how a transfer QB would fit in with the rest of the QB competition. Maybe a 1 yr guy, but are we going to get a decent senior transfer knowing he may not win the job? Bringing in a multi year guy to compete with Jackson and Nico could drive one of them to the portal.
I think Jackson may end up being the guy next year. He will be ahead of Nico in the experience department and he was a highly regarded recruit in his own right when he committed.

If Jackson is the starter next year it's going to be a long season

 

[Mccage]

I will root for him but he should have shredded UT Martin's defense and he just didnt, he looked indecisive and couldnt find open receivers and there were open receivers he could have thrown to, I hope Im wrong but we wont win big games with him as Quarterback.

Credentials please!

 

[Mccage]

Additional years on the system won’t help him all of the sudden development a mental game. And that’s what he’s lacking. He knows the plays and he’s a physical specimen. He overthrows everybody. Do you not remember that? He left like 28 points in the field against Pitt and they came back to beat us. Same thing in the first game. Against ole miss he came in for the last play of the game and ran out of bounds. He also had a couple of incidents where he failed to get beyon the sticks on 3rd or 4th down before sliding. And he was hit from the blind side multiple times casing fumbles in just the two games he started. His mental game is on par with JG. It’s not going to improve much because he already knows the system well. Pruitt kept thinking JG would become a good qb with enough reps. But that’s not typically how it works. These guys get thousands of reps in practice and the off-season.

Show us some video evidence of Milton's mental failures. Break it down for us hossfly. Explain the coverages and exactly what routes our receivers were running. It ought to be easy for you since he hadn't played but a couple of games. While your at it send a copy to Coach Hype. Include his overthrows this year too of you don't mind.

 

[UTwild82]

Milton will be better than Hooker next year. He's significantly more talented and I'm impressed by how Huepel has developed him thus far. Don't be surprised if he's the 1st overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft. He's that talented.

People can say what they want about you, D4H. I like how you are never afraid to go out on a limb. Keeps things interesting.

 

[508mikey]

Milton will be better than Hooker next year. He's significantly more talented and I'm impressed by how Huepel has developed him thus far. Don't be surprised if he's the 1st overall pick in the 2024 NFL draft. He's that talented.

Wait I thought you said Richardson from UF was the best QB in the 24 draft