Missed open throws with receipts

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Smokey123 said:
Just any pass that a WR cannot catch. No matter if it’s a screen thrown 10 feet over his head or a 40 yard pass that sails too far

On passes that have traveled 20+ yards Milton has 9 uncatchable thrown passes so far 2.25 a game or 22 attempts, Hooker had 20 in 10 games or 61 attempts. So while hooker misses more, it’s definitely not as much as people wanna act like it is compared to Hooker
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Here's what I've been able to find. Not saying your info is wrong-i just can't find good stats that show those metrics. I'd love to see your resource and add to mine for knowledge purposes.
In 2022,so all year, we had 91 completions of 15+ yards and 44 of 25+ yards
In 2023,4 games(1/3 of season), we've had 17 completions of 15+ yards and 6 of 25+ yards.
I realize you can't just extrapolate because each game is different but we're going to need 74 completions of 15+ yards to equal last year and 38 completions of 25+ yards to equal last year. Given that we've played 3 cupcakes -I don't see us getting close.
I hope Joe proves me wrong
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Honestly the only egregious mistake by Milton yesterday was missing Squirrel over the middle for a TD. It was also obvious the weird wrap-up affected his knee and play. He was on the money in the first half, took weird hit, then was off for the third quarter.
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Once he hurt his knee, it looked like he was trying to avoid putting pressure on that side, would almost skip around after handing the ball off and most of his throws looked to be off the back foot. I think it definitely affected him to the point he was visibly trying to protect it and it affected his throws. I do think Joe is a step back from Hooker, but the O line more of a factor in what he is and isn't able to accomplish. I think both can be true and I think a lot of posters want to blame it on one or the other. Can't discount the number of dropped passes right in the hands in four games so far either. Fix the O line and the hands issue and Joe is good enough for us to get to 8-4, maybe 9-3. Our porous secondary is equally culpable and they're all upperclassmen too.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
Here's what I've been able to find. Not saying your info is wrong-i just can't find good stats that show those metrics. I'd love to see your resource and add to mine for knowledge purposes.
In 2022,so all year, we had 91 completions of 15+ yards and 44 of 25+ yards
In 2023,4 games(1/3 of season), we've had 17 completions of 15+ yards and 6 of 25+ yards.
I realize you can't just extrapolate because each game is different but we're going to need 74 completions of 15+ yards to equal last year and 38 completions of 25+ yards to equal last year. Given that we've played 3 cupcakes -I don't see us getting close.
I hope Joe proves me wrong
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GVol1966 said:
Then you didn’t see the Nico pass that hit Thornton right in the hands
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I said many, not any.

Aside from that though, you’re responding to a conversation about Milton by bringing up a drop of a Nico pass. If you’re going to comment a day later, at least read the context. Smdh.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
I said many, not any.

Aside from that though, you’re responding to a conversation about Milton by bringing up a drop of a Nico pass. If you’re going to comment a day later, at least read the context. Smdh.
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I’m responding to a post by you about dropped passes.
You said “none from today that stand out “.

I don’t care who threw it or what day it is,

If a pass that hit the receiver directly in his hands , directly in front of him , that a six year old should catch. And it bounces of his hands like a rubber ball off a brick wall doesn’t stand out to you , you’re either stupid or didn’t see.
You decide, how’s that for context?

By the way, the thread title is “missed open throws with receipts” that posted that in.
Didn’t see missed throws by Milton in their so not really just concerning Milton is it?
 
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#132
We all know Hooker is far superior to Milton, but fans act like Hooker didn't miss open guys. It happens, I don't see the point of belaboring it by breaking down still shots
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I think he reads them...just doesn't throw immediately to allow more separation.....maybe because of lack of trust to catch a hard there in a tight window...
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I don't know what all holds him back but IMO some of it is an inability to loosen up and just play. He did miss a critical read vs UF that I remember. On one of his contested shots to the corner of the end zone on 3rd down, he missed an easy 1st down throw to the middle. I think it was 10 who was just wide open.
 
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vol94fan said:
Yep. Frustrating to miss those TD passes, but Joe is our best option at this point. Hopefully he can start hitting more of them.
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Why do you say that Joe is our best option when we haven’t seen the others on the field. We don’t have a clue who is the best, because we haven’t had a chance to see. Joe certainly isn’t burning it up, I would love see what Gaston Moore could do. I know for a fact that he is much more accurate with his arm than Joe is!
 
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mpfvol said:
What the OP is getting at any QB starting in the SEC should hit 60 % of these and Milton is not . Not saying Milton isnt the teams best shot maybe CJH should have went portal or something . Milton is all Vol and is a good dude but he isnt going to take a game over and win 6 year CFB player is what he is . Go vols
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CAREFUL! The Cold Hard Truth is frowned on up in here, or we have blindness in the peanut gallery. Not sure which, but anyone with eyes saw Joe leave 21 on the field Saturday. Do that vs the SEC, and you'll get beat. (except maybe vs Vandy) Why people can't admit the facts in their face is beyond me, but it is rampant these days, and not just in the Football World.
 
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Butch s said:
It is honestly amazing, and something I’ve never seen before. The lengths some here will go to defending Milton is absolutely insane. Like knowing your girlfriend is a whore, but willing to fight anyone who says so. Risk your life to defend her honor. It really is baffling to me. I really just don’t get it. I’m assuming we are all Vol fans here, and want the best for our team, but the knee jerk reaction to, and absolute disdain for those who see joe as an inconsistent qb is just weird. I guess it’s just the entitlement class that I’ll never understand
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BRAVO! You may be on to something......
 
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EZE said:
The coaches watch and evaluate these players every day at practice. If they start a player, you can trust that that player is the best option.

These coaches don’t intentionally try to lose.
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It’s just a philosophical difference. Heupel know she’s made a mistake and putting all of his chips on Milton. Guarantee it 100%. Of course he’s not going to acknowledge it in public.

But for the philosophical standpoint… I think he believes having spent so much time teaching Milton, the system he A. Doesn’t want all that effort to go to waste. And B. He is choosing to go with the guy. He has the most confidence in getting us in the right play the majority of the time

A lot of coaches would choose to simplify things and play a different qb that’s likely to complete a higher percentage of these open targets.

The honest truth is I believe any of the qbs we have on the roster would complete a higher percentage. Milton consistently misses guys that are wide ass open due to defensive breakdowns. Many of these passes are plays an average hs qb makes.

Will Heupel prove to be right? Who knows. But one thing that contradicts his philosophy (sticking with the guy that knows the playbook better) is what happened with hooker. At this point nico has slightly more time in heupel’s system than hooker did when he took over.
 
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chattavol420 said:
It’s just a philosophical difference. Heupel know she’s made a mistake and putting all of his chips on Milton. Guarantee it 100%. Of course he’s not going to acknowledge it in public.

But for the philosophical standpoint… I think he believes having spent so much time teaching Milton, the system he A. Doesn’t want all that effort to go to waste. And B. He is choosing to go with the guy. He has the most confidence in getting us in the right play the majority of the time

A lot of coaches would choose to simplify things and play a different qb that’s likely to complete a higher percentage of these open targets.

The honest truth is I believe any of the qbs we have on the roster would complete a higher percentage. Milton consistently misses guys that are wide ass open due to defensive breakdowns. Many of these passes are plays an average hs qb makes.

Will Heupel prove to be right? Who knows. But one thing that contradicts his philosophy (sticking with the guy that knows the playbook better) is what happened with hooker. At this point nico has slightly more time in heupel’s system than hooker did when he took over.
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You don’t know what Heup’s philosophy is. You’re insinuating that he won’t make a QB change because it would be an admission that he was wrong about Milton. That is crazy talk. To “guarantee it 100%” is just silly.
 
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volfan_28 said:
You don’t know what Heup’s philosophy is. You’re insinuating that he won’t make a QB change because it would be an admission that he was wrong about Milton. That is crazy talk. To “guarantee it 100%” is just silly.
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Well, there is always the possibility that they made a call to Miss Cleo…and her Tarot Cards let them know 100%.
 
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EZE said:
Well, there is always the possibility that they made a call to Miss Cleo…and her Tarot Cards let them know 100%.
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You are forgetting the Infamous "Crystal Ball". However, Hype is pulling so hard for Joe (Understandable, given their history and that huge arm) that barring another injury ; He will not make a change. Stubborn as Captain Smith.
 
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volfan_28 said:
You don’t know what Heup’s philosophy is. You’re insinuating that he won’t make a QB change because it would be an admission that he was wrong about Milton. That is crazy talk. To “guarantee it 100%” is just silly.
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Hype thinks he can save Joe, and if he did replace him, might ruin Joe's future. Loyal to a fault, IMO. Note: IMO. (before the backlash).
 
#146
#146
Govol111 said:
Ok now go back and screenshot every missed throw from Hooker last year. Perfection is not a thing. Joe has missed and will miss throws, but he is our best QB and had a hell of a game today. Made one really bad mistake against UF with the INT but our weaknesses are not because of Joe Milton.
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Nope it's not. Not gonna lie after UF game I blamed him but after rewatching the game I can't. Our offensive line can't block anything and defense can't tackle and is underwhelming so far
 
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DId you save receipts of all the dropped passes too? Nico came in and 1 dropped his pass. Does Nico throw it too hard as well?
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm not disputing anything anyone wrote, it's a team effort and it takes all 11 to play complete ball. I'm not saying that Nico should start. He should not start. Joe gives us the best shot to win. What I am saying, and showing, is that his completion % on these very wide open TD throws are around 20%-30%. You hit one or two of these and it's a different game no matter who you play. Yes, Hooker missed some-but he made more than he missed. He threw a good deep ball. Joe doesn't, but Joe throws better on the perimeter for the WR to get moving quicker off the screen, short game. Maybe that's why they call it more. All that being said, Joe needs to hit the homerun ball because that's what this offense is predicated on:making you pay when the defense F's up and gets caught flatfooted. That's all
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I seem to recall that Hooker was hitting at around 80%, and many of those were deep balls.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
We all know Hooker is far superior to Milton, but fans act like Hooker didn't miss open guys. It happens, I don't see the point of belaboring it by breaking down still shots
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Hooker missed 3 deep balls against UGA that would have changed that game.
 
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