Missed open throws with receipts

#101
#101
The only throw I had issue with and need to see it again was the one over the middle to Squirrel. It sure looked to me both live and in replay that he tried to get cute and throw that "no look" style. Did anyone else catch that?
 
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chattavol420 said:
Why do people say this type of stuff? I just don’t get so many of our fans. What on earth makes you think he’s the best option? Nobody else has had a chance to play. And truthfully…I believe every other qb on the staff would hit a higher percentage of these throws than Milton. Many of the throws he misses are automatic for even a good highschool qb. Milton just is a good passer of the football. It’s not hard to recognize
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The coaches watch and evaluate these players every day at practice. If they start a player, you can trust that that player is the best option.

These coaches don’t intentionally try to lose.
 
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Joe missing the open WR bother me. But what bothers me more is that he either throws horizontal on the WR screens or he throws 60+ hitting a low percentage of them. I want to see Joe hit the 7 yd out and the 12 yd comeback or the TE running down the seam. Those are the plays I do not se Joe making. Is it the play calling? Or is it that Heupel has seen Joe in practice and knows he cannot make those passes? I do not know I just know it is very frustrating to have third down and 6 and watch Joe try to complete a 60+ yd pass, I cringe ever time he drops back in those situations.
 
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VonVol2 said:
The only throw I had issue with and need to see it again was the one over the middle to Squirrel. It sure looked to me both live and in replay that he tried to get cute and throw that "no look" style. Did anyone else catch that?
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It did look like that. Coach mentioned about that play to Squirrel in the middle I think.
A couple of them are (on) him,” Vols coach Josh Heupel said. “There’s a couple deep balls that were a little bit off. Wide receivers being in sync on some of their route patterns, too, in the middle of the field."
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
It did look like that. Coach mentioned about that play to Squirrel in the middle I think.
A couple of them are (on) him,” Vols coach Josh Heupel said. “There’s a couple deep balls that were a little bit off. Wide receivers being in sync on some of their route patterns, too, in the middle of the field."
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It was my Son's birthday party so I couldn't really pay close attention and didn't hear the announcers say anything about it. But it sure looked like his eyes were looking down the right side of the field and he threw it over the middle.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm sure someone is better at this than me at posting clearer pics but....
This offense gives the QB 5-6 chances each game were your guy is wide open-5-10 yards past your man. That is highly unusual and a credit to coach H. Our QB, whether you like him or not, has to complete at least 50%-60% of those throws. Remember, they are almost uncovered. Hooker did a stellar job at making teams pay for their mistakes. Joe is not. These are gimme points and we easily left 14-21 points on the table. These are huge. We all watch FB. How many times do you see other teams WR running this wide open? Maybe 2, possibly 3. Our coach has 5-6 each game and we are missing them. It's crucial and it's the difference between the #1 offense and the #40th.
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Seriously?

This is your take away from yesterday?

I think some people HAVE to be right. I am guessing here but feel sure you were one of the early ones on the hate Joe wagon. Now, you spend your time searching for evidence to prove how smart you were instead of enjoying a perfect day for a game that is rarely played perfectly.

The good guys won today, try to enjoy it
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Seriously?

This is your take away from yesterday?

I think some people HAVE to be right. I am guessing here but feel sure you were one of the early ones on the hate Joe wagon. Now, you spend your time searching for evidence to prove how smart you were instead of enjoying a perfect day for a game that is rarely played perfectly.

The good guys won today, try to enjoy it
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Nope. Just the opposite. I do not want Nico to start. No one here will hear me say Nico should start(unless Joe is hurt). Joe is our QB and gives us the best chance to win but... Joe has to hit lay ups. It's not proving how smart I am to see wide open guys get missed repeatedly, in 2021 and now. I did enjoy the win but my concern is that if those throws, those wide open touchdown throws with no defense around you, are not made, then we will not experience as many wins as we could. Kudos to coach for scheming 3-4 plays each game were our guys are almost uncovered. It's up to the QB, the guy who passes the ball to the receiver, to cash in on a terrific scheme and play call.
 
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Crunch said:
DON'T EVER MENTION HOOKERS NAME WIT MILTON.


Hooker was X10000 times more effective and consistent.

Milton can't pass well at all. That's a fact and the numbers support that statement. His down field completion percentage is abysmal. And you can't blame his missed cues yesterday on the oline.

It's a damn shame we couldn't get Nico real playing time yesterday with the ones because we still have no idea what we have with him. Watching Milton against SEC teams us going to be very painful and frustrating.
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The coaches see him. They know. That's all that matters. Whether YOU know or not is irrelevant
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm sure someone is better at this than me at posting clearer pics but....
This offense gives the QB 5-6 chances each game were your guy is wide open-5-10 yards past your man. That is highly unusual and a credit to coach H. Our QB, whether you like him or not, has to complete at least 50%-60% of those throws. Remember, they are almost uncovered. Hooker did a stellar job at making teams pay for their mistakes. Joe is not. These are gimme points and we easily left 14-21 points on the table. These are huge. We all watch FB. How many times do you see other teams WR running this wide open? Maybe 2, possibly 3. Our coach has 5-6 each game and we are missing them. It's crucial and it's the difference between the #1 offense and the #40th.
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Not sure he has the arm strength to make those throws (blue font)
 
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sjt18 said:
That wasn't the problem today by a long shot. I don't recall any drops except the one thrown by Nico. Milton has to throw it better when he has open guys.
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Absolutely. But to exclude that the receivers need to step up.
Their receivers, they are supposed to catch passes DB’s , OL, punters can’t. It’s their job, not to just catch perfect throws anyone should catch.
Watch other teams, see theirs out jump a DB and fight for the ball and catch it.
You haven’t seen ours do it.
And to exclude the horrible OL play .
Like I said COMPLETE picture of why we struggle on Offense.
It’s far from just “Milton has to be better “.
 
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#115
Honestly the only egregious mistake by Milton yesterday was missing Squirrel over the middle for a TD. It was also obvious the weird wrap-up affected his knee and play. He was on the money in the first half, took weird hit, then was off for the third quarter.
 
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RockyTop140 said:
On wide open guys they definitely do. Moved the goalposts just a little bit I’d say.
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I don't think I did. I remember Peyton speaking about being a rookie qb in the nfl. His coach Bruce Arians was mad because he didn't pull the trigger and throw the ball. Peyton said coach, the window was only this open (held out his arms). Coach told him, "Peyton, in the nfl that is open".

So different degrees of what's open when you compare college to the nfl, but it's still open
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
Yes. That's what I mean. Would Hooker have been in if Joe didn't get hurt. After he got hurt, Hooker gave us a spark and never relinquished the reins. Would Hooker even had a chance to show us who he is without Joe getting injured? After the injury -Hendon looked like a Heisman candidate. Why was that guy not starting?
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That's an unanswerable question. I suspect he would have but we don't know. There's a really big difference between that situation and this one. Hooker was leading the QB competition leaving spring and it didn't sound that close. Milton was brought in and again it didn't sound like the competition was that great.

In a way, you had an odd dichotomy. There are extreme "gamers". Guys who aren't that great in practice but turn it on when the lights come on. There are guys who are the opposite like JG who practice great then wilt when the lights come on. I'm not ready to say that's Milton yet... but no doubt Hooker was a gamer. But Hooker was ready to play. He knew the O and had experience. He was mature and physically developed.

Nico isn't ready. He isn't physically ready and very likely not ready mentally. Heupel's thinking may be that even if Milton isn't ideal... it is better to play him than risk physically or emotionally damaging Nico by playing him too early. I also think Heupel has not given up on Milton. He could be right or wrong- we'll never truly know just like we don't know what would have happened with Hooker.
 
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#119
#119
whodeycin85 said:
I think Joe trusts his arm to much and not his instincts...HH had passed with more the. 20 yards of air time . usually his receivers were separated and open within that distance...Joe is waiting longer then hurrying a 30 yard throw..Wr are taking longer to get open..and anytime there is more air distance on the throw the less chance of accuracy
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That seems pretty reasonable too. Maybe his arm enables him not to make timely reads.... but not really.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's an unanswerable question. I suspect he would have but we don't know. There's a really big difference between that situation and this one. Hooker was leading the QB competition leaving spring and it didn't sound that close. Milton was brought in and again it didn't sound like the competition was that great.

In a way, you had an odd dichotomy. There are extreme "gamers". Guys who aren't that great in practice but turn it on when the lights come on. There are guys who are the opposite like JG who practice great then wilt when the lights come on. I'm not ready to say that's Milton yet... but no doubt Hooker was a gamer. But Hooker was ready to play. He knew the O and had experience. He was mature and physically developed.

Nico isn't ready. He isn't physically ready and very likely not ready mentally. Heupel's thinking may be that even if Milton isn't ideal... it is better to play him than risk physically or emotionally damaging Nico by playing him too early. I also think Heupel has not given up on Milton. He could be right or wrong- we'll never truly know just like we don't know what would have happened with Hooker.
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I agree. I think you would be doing this team, and Nico, a disservice by starting him, particularly with as many seniors as this team has, which is also maddening with their inconsistent play.
 
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm sure someone is better at this than me at posting clearer pics but....
This offense gives the QB 5-6 chances each game were your guy is wide open-5-10 yards past your man. That is highly unusual and a credit to coach H. Our QB, whether you like him or not, has to complete at least 50%-60% of those throws. Remember, they are almost uncovered. Hooker did a stellar job at making teams pay for their mistakes. Joe is not. These are gimme points and we easily left 14-21 points on the table. These are huge. We all watch FB. How many times do you see other teams WR running this wide open? Maybe 2, possibly 3. Our coach has 5-6 each game and we are missing them. It's crucial and it's the difference between the #1 offense and the #40th.
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Good work, this is what you call “the receipts.”
 
#122
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Jimmyandjoes said:
I'm not disputing that stat... but what is the uncatchable ball? Hooker missed many of the wide routes, flat routes, wr screens and overthrew guys or made them get out of position by having to jump to catch a screen and it screwed up the play.I'm more speaking to the homerun shot. The downfield shot with a defender 5-10 yards behind our guy. Did Hooker miss 53 of those last year?
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Just any pass that a WR cannot catch. No matter if it’s a screen thrown 10 feet over his head or a 40 yard pass that sails too far

On passes that have traveled 20+ yards Milton has 9 uncatchable thrown passes so far 2.25 a game or 22 attempts, Hooker had 20 in 10 games or 61 attempts. So while hooker misses more, it’s definitely not as much as people wanna act like it is compared to Hooker
 
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sjt18 said:
That seems pretty reasonable too. Maybe his arm enables him not to make timely reads.... but not really.
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I think he reads them...just doesn't throw immediately to allow more separation.....maybe because of lack of trust to catch a hard there in a tight window...
 
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#125
#125
Outside of the Orange Bowl, this has been Milton’s M.O. his entire career. But most based expectations off that one game but Milton hasn’t changed.
 
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