Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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YorkVol said:
I get that, but the fact is we have no clue what happened at all. Maybe there was an attempted hijacking and the ACARs etc were turned off as part of that, but before the crew discovered it. The crew fought back but were unable to transmit the duress codes. During the fight they took the plane to 45k, thus knocking out the hijackers and then inadvertently knocking themselves out. The plane then got on the last programmed heading and flew on, with everyone on board dead.

Fact is no one of any credibility is saying anything other than the plane flew for up to 7 hours in an unexpected direction and is now most likely on the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Anything else is mere speculation.
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That's possible, but the pilots had to be incapacitated, dead or in on it. The plane will automatically desend to about 14500 feet (quickly) once the cabin is depressurized. Even if one if them did not get their mask on in time they would have recovered consciousness well before it ran out of fuel. Unless of course that safety system was disabled also.
 
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Grand Vol said:
But again the point that is missing is the fact that radio chatter would probably have been overheard by someone else. I mean, there is a possibility it was overlooked or hasn't been analyzed yet, but with the hard search that's been going on, I wouldn't imagine that someone hasn't looked into it.

And if so, there would be others complicit in this, which lumps it right back in the "scientific wild ass guess and conspiracy theory" file. But something like that makes a lot more sense than piggybacking another airliner and landing in Pakistan.
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I think the better question is why did the Malaysian civilian radar not pick up this plane flying back over it's own country. Why weren't several hundred things done differently by the Malaysian government?

Piggybacking would have been almost impossible because of wing turbulence.
 
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Grand Vol said:
But again the point that is missing is the fact that radio chatter would probably have been overheard by someone else. I mean, there is a possibility it was overlooked or hasn't been analyzed yet, but with the hard search that's been going on, I wouldn't imagine that someone hasn't looked into it.
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If there was no radio chatter, then there wouldn't be anything to hear. Negotiations could've been done via cell phone as to not alert any unwanted 3rd parties.
 
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coug said:
I think the better question is why did the Malaysian civilian radar not pick up this plane flying back over it's own country. Why weren't several hundred things done differently by the Malaysian government?

Piggybacking would have been almost impossible because of wing turbulence.
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I got the impression it flew over Thailand which was not as forthcoming as they could/should have been. Several countries in the region have been less than helpful like Thailand and Indonesia.

Most of the experts agree the piggybacking idea wouldn't work, but there are a few that have latched onto that theory and claim it to be entirely plausible. I recall what one of the talking heads said on TV one night that it would be nice to dispel the ridiculous and insane theories, but with the lack of evidence and slipshod way this has been handled on nearly all levels, it's impossible to do so and only fuels the fire for more stupid theories to come out.
 
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Volwark said:
If there was no radio chatter, then there wouldn't be anything to hear. Negotiations could've been done via cell phone as to not alert any unwanted 3rd parties.
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Good point. There still could have been intercepts, but you are correct that cell phones would be harder to track with the billions of calls being made every day.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I got the impression it flew over Thailand which was not as forthcoming as they could/should have been. Several countries in the region have been less than helpful like Thailand and Indonesia.

Most of the experts agree the piggybacking idea wouldn't work, but there are a few that have latched onto that theory and claim it to be entirely plausible. I recall what one of the talking heads said on TV one night that it would be nice to dispel the ridiculous and insane theories, but with the lack of evidence and slipshod way this has been handled on nearly all levels, it's impossible to do so and only fuels the fire for more stupid theories to come out.
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Yes, the lack of cooperation from other countries is frustrating and complicates things.

It's reported that Inmarsat CAN'T confirm the changes in altitude that have been reported in the news. To add to that autopilot would not have changed altitudes like that either.
If this plane landed/crashed in the southern Indian ocean it would have done so having traveled at 35,000 feet the entire time.
 
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coug said:
I think the better question is why did the Malaysian civilian radar not pick up this plane flying back over it's own country. Why weren't several hundred things done differently by the Malaysian government?

Piggybacking would have been almost impossible because of wing turbulence.
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Maybe the Malaysian radar did pick it up! All we have to go on is the word of the Malaysian government. And at this point the best thing for them is for this whole issue to just fade off into the sunset like MH370.
 
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coug said:
Yes, the lack of cooperation from other countries is frustrating and complicates things.

It's reported that Inmarsat CAN'T confirm the changes in altitude that have been reported in the news. To add to that autopilot would not have changed altitudes like that either.
If this plane landed/crashed in the southern Indian ocean it would have done so having traveled at 35,000 feet the entire time.
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The biggest mystery at this point is why the southern Indian Ocean? It will tie into the overall question of why this all happened, but that to me is the significant question that needs to be answered. If it was a hijacking, why fly it into an area that has zero runways, airports at all for that matter, capable of handling a 777?
 
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vols-1 said:
Maybe the Malaysian radar did pick it up! All we have to go on is the word of the Malaysian government. And at this point the best thing for them is for this whole issue to just fade off into the sunset like MH370.
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I don't disagree with this.

I also have my doubts that they will ever find this plane.
 
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coug said:
I also have my doubts that they will ever find this plane.
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Every day they fail to find any piece of it the task becomes that much more difficult.

They located debris from Air France after a few days and that search took two more years.

We're over two weeks now. A much bigger crash site area.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Every day they fail to find any piece of it the task becomes that much more difficult.

They located debris from Air France after a few days and that search took two more years.

We're over two weeks now. A much bigger crash site area.
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And the southern Atlantic has more shipping lanes going through it. Where the crash was supposedly at in the Indian Ocean, it's pretty much like the Sahara.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Every day they fail to find any piece of it the task becomes that much more difficult.

They located debris from Air France after a few days and that search took two more years.

We're over two weeks now. A much bigger crash site area.
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The big difference with Air France was that they knew for a fact where in the ocean it actually crashed too.
 
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I'd like to read the back story on why it took so long for the engine-to-satellite transmissions to come out.

I get that it may take a while to sort out unidentified planes on a radar--that they might not have immediately known that the blip on the radar was #MH370.

But what about the engine pings? I assume they have some kind of recognizable signature so the satellite can identify which plane is which. Why would it take any longer than a day for the operates of that system to recognize that the plane flew for hours longer than was being acknowledged in the investigation?

Yet they continued to search the South China Sea for days when the plane data suggested it made no sense to look there.
 
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This is my confusion, Wouldn't the plane make another left turn to end up in the southern Indian Ocean and if so, wouldn't it be picked up on Malaysian radar?
 
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rocktopper16 said:
This is my confusion, Wouldn't the plane make another left turn to end up in the southern Indian Ocean and if so, wouldn't it be picked up on Malaysian radar?
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More likely would have been Indonesian radar if they picked it up. Which they haven't been helping a whole lot with this investigation.
 
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YorkVol said:
I probably won't but will admit to not understanding why charge someone who is dead. What good would that do?
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Unless the pilot is the ONLY one in the plane it should not be termed/referred to as "pilot suicide" but murder, because that's what it is. The reason for doing this isn't so much for past crashes but for future crashes and for any other pilots out there thinking about killing themselves. Drag their name through the mud and make it clear that that's what will happen to future pilots considering it.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
This is my confusion, Wouldn't the plane make another left turn to end up in the southern Indian Ocean and if so, wouldn't it be picked up on Malaysian radar?
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It probably would. Most airport radar's only have a range of 60 miles. If it flew over the island with its transponder off they would still have a target.

The air traffic in and out of Malaysia is minimal. I bet either the tower was shut down or the controllers were asleep.

They do have a modern automation system so there is a GOOD chance there is a recording of the plane flying across the radar scope.
 
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This still seems incredibly odd and I won't believe it til I see it. I wouldn't be surprised if this more of a case of trying to not look inept so they name a place where it will be nearly impossible to find even if it actually crashed there.

Now China is demanding that the Malaysians hand over their satellite data info to show how they came to their most recent conclusion. They seem to be doubting this as well.
 
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davethevol said:
Now China is demanding that the Malaysians hand over their satellite data info to show how they came to their most recent conclusion. They seem to be doubting this as well.
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And rightfully so since they have a significant stake here.
 
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coug said:
Unless the pilot is the ONLY one in the plane it should not be termed/referred to as "pilot suicide" but murder, because that's what it is. The reason for doing this isn't so much for past crashes but for future crashes and for any other pilots out there thinking about killing themselves. Drag their name through the mud and make it clear that that's what will happen to future pilots considering it.
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I figured that was what you were getting at, I just don't think it works.
 
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