Mitch Mustain...

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thunder5 said:
What makes everyone think these USC players will pick UT if they decide to transfer?
I understand we have more room than alot of programs but that's about the only serious deciding factor I can see other than potential immediate playing time at QB, OL and DL...but even that's not a given
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What makes everyone think 90% of the fodder they put on these boards? Wild unsubstantiated speculation.
 
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jbeard82 said:
Hmmmm lets see! USC cant go to a bowl game. And UT wont win enough games this year to go to a bowl game. So with one year left for mitch, why would he chose to come to UT again?
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Chumps like you said the same thing last season.....yet we made it to a bowl.
 
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thunder5 said:
What makes everyone think these USC players will pick UT if they decide to transfer?

I understand we have more room than alot of programs but that's about the only serious deciding factor I can see other than potential immediate playing time at QB, OL and DL...but even that's not a given
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I don't think it's highly likely that we get anyone, but it's certainly plausible that we could. For instance, I think UT was very much in the running for Glen Stanley, who is now free to transfer without penalty. Him transferring to UT doesn't seem very far-fetched to me. I don't know enough about any of the others to speculate, but that doesn't mean it isn't possible or worth considering.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I don't understand why Mustain would not have to sit out. If he transferred from another D-1 school, why would he not have to sit out?
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It was part of the ruling in which the NCAA handed down. The Jr.s and Sr.s could transfer without having to sit out.
 
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To add to this, the player does not have to have a release from the school he is transferring from, but I do think that whatever school contacts him about a possible transfer, has to go through the COI for permission. At least thats how I read the guidelines.
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winchestervol63 said:
Normally true, but not after a post-season ban like this. Anyone affected (Jr/Sr in this case) can be recuruited by another school without needing USC's permission, all that must be done is notification. The rule specifically says that USC (in this case) can impose 'reasonable' limitations, like you can't drag them out of class for recruiting contact, but no permission is needed.
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Please re read my post that you quoted, but this time take your time and read all the little letters. Reading comprehension is key. A school has to notify the COI before contacting a player from USC right now.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Please re read my post that you quoted, but this time take your time and read all the little letters. Reading comprehension is key. A school has to notify the COI before contacting a player from USC right now.
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Here's your post: 'To add to this, the player does not have to have a release from the school he is transferring from, but I do think that whatever school contacts him about a possible transfer, has to go through the COI for permission. At least thats how I read the guidelines.'

I was merely saying that no permission is needed and I said directly that notification is required. In fact, no permission is required to contact the athlete according to NCAA bylaws. That's all I was saying and I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. Your most recent post agrees with my post but disagrees with your original.

Here's an applicable bylaw:

13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact (e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-(c)]. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Here's your post: 'To add to this, the player does not have to have a release from the school he is transferring from, but I do think that whatever school contacts him about a possible transfer, has to go through the COI for permission. At least thats how I read the guidelines.'

I was merely saying that no permission is needed and I said directly that notification is required. In fact, no permission is required to contact the athlete according to NCAA bylaws. That's all I was saying and I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. Your most recent post agrees with my post but disagrees with your original.

Here's an applicable bylaw:

13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact (e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-(c)]. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
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They have to get permission from the COI which is what my first post said.
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BearCat204 said:
They have to get permission from the COI which is what my first post said.
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Okay, I believe you, but haven't seen that guideline and it seems to diagree with the bylaw's language that says no written permission is needed. I recognize that the bylaw could be referring to the school as opposed to the COI, but haven't seen the guideline that you may have referenced. Where is that stipulated? I would like to read the language just for my own clarification. Doesn't really matter much, but I'm curious. Thanks.
 
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winchestervol63 said:
Okay, I believe you, but haven't seen that guideline and it seems to diagree with the bylaw's language that says no written permission is needed. I recognize that the bylaw could be referring to the school as opposed to the COI, but haven't seen the guideline that you may have referenced. Where is that stipulated? I would like to read the language just for my own clarification. Doesn't really matter much, but I'm curious. Thanks.
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Give 'em Six said:
For those interested, here are the applicable sections related to the transfer rules for student athletes as it relates to USC's players. I wonder how it affects a player like Glenn Stanley who bailed on the Vols...he probably had two years of eligibility in three years time.

13.1.1.3.3 Transfer from Institution Placed on Probation by Committee on Infractions. It is not necessary for an institution to obtain permission in writing to recruit a student-athlete at an institution that has been placed on probation with sanctions that preclude it from competing in postseason competition during the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility. However, the student-athlete’s institution must be notified of the recruitment and may establish reasonable restrictions related to the contact (e.g., no visits during class time), provided such restrictions do not preclude the opportunity for the student athlete to discuss transfer possibilities with the other institution [see Bylaw 14.8.2-(c)]. (Adopted: 1/10/92, Revised: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)

14.8.2 Residence Requirement Waivers. The Legislative Council Subcommittee for Legislative Relief may waive the one-year residence requirement for student-athletes under the following conditions or circumstances: (Revised: 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08)

(c) On the recommendation of the Committee on Infractions, for a student-athlete who transfers to a member institution to continue the student-athlete’s opportunity for full participation in a sport because the student athlete’s original institution was placed on probation by the NCAA with sanctions that would preclude the institution’s team in that sport from participating in postseason competition during all of the remaining seasons of the student-athlete’s eligibility (see also Bylaw 13.1.1.3.3); (Revised: 1/10/92)
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Give 'em Six said:
In short, I think it says that no permission is needed from USC for any school to start contacting junior and senior athletes although USC can set reasonable restrictions aimed at preserving student academics. Any school would need approval to waive the one year player sit out from the Committee on Infractions. I wonder what their stance would be if there was a large exodus of players from USC? They may not like it. Any thoughts?
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Here are a couple of citations I posted early this morning on the topic in another thread.
 
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Yeah...All these shenanigans are ideal for Mustain if he has any desire to play his SR year. This is basically his "Get Out of Jail Free". He can go to a 3rd FBS school and not have to waste his last year of eligibilty. Like I said, if he cares about burn, he's leaving SC.
 
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I think Mustain is out of there. Do I think he comes to UT? Probably not, but who knows. Do I think he stay at USC now? Absolutely not. This is his free ticket out of town. Exactly what would he have to gain staying there for his last year sitting on the bench watching Barkley?
 
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Just posted on ESPN

"Juniors and seniors to-be on the USC Trojans' football team, hit with a two-year postseason ban among other punishments, will be allowed to transfer to other FBS programs without having to sit out a season, the NCAA clarified to ESPN on Friday.
"The second school would have to submit a waiver asking to waive the year in residence, but NCAA rules allow for this waiver to be granted if a student-athlete's first school has a postseason ban in their sport," NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said in an e-mail to ESPN's Joe Schad.
The rule does not apply to freshman who have signed national letters of intent, however. But schools with an interest in a USC junior or senior are allowed to initiate contact with the player, Osburn said."
 
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It makes too much sense for him not to transfer. Why would you sit and do nothing as a backup when you could transfer to any school, be it an SEC or Conference USA team? TN just makes sense as far as need goes. There are plenty of other schools in need of a quarterback. But there are other things to consider. For example, how good is he really? He showed a lot of promise as a freshman. But who knows how the rest of his career would have gone. Ainge showed a lot of promise as a freshman and look how his sophomore year went. Mustain didn't beat out a career backup in Corp and got beat out by a true freshman in Barkley. Who's to say he could beat out Simms and Bray? So I think the coaching staff would have to carefully evaluate Mustain before extending an invite for him to come here.
 
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